Sign-in problem with ZA Internet Suit 6.5

Hi,

I am not sure if anyone else experienced any problems with Zone Alarm
Internet Suit 6.5

My problem is that I couldn't sign in Live Messenger for several days after
switching to Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5 paid version.

My first guess was the connection or server problems but it lasted for
several days and during the time, I tried Yahoo Messenger without any
problems. I checked the settings, and Live Messenger was there.

Finally, I went to their forum and did a search and the result was I am not
alone. Suggestion from other users is to downgrade messenger to a lower
version.

In any case, I removed Zone Alarm and went to another vendor and it
instantly solved the problem.

So if you have similar problems for signing in and also are using Zone Alarm
Internet Security, you may wish try to disable it and see if that helps.

PS: I don't know about the free version and other versions.

Hope this helps.

Greetings,

ZoneAlarm has been an issue with Messenger for quite some time and only recently the problem
has been publicly admitted

A few days ago ZoneLabs actually released an update which should solve the problem. I know
you've already uninstalled it but the update can be obtained by using "Check for updates" in
ZA.

I myself have never liked ZA at all, but that's just personal opinion.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
--



"xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
news:ey%...
> Hi,
>
> I am not sure if anyone else experienced any problems with Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5
>
> My problem is that I couldn't sign in Live Messenger for several days after switching to
> Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5 paid version.
>
> My first guess was the connection or server problems but it lasted for several days and
> during the time, I tried Yahoo Messenger without any problems. I checked the settings, and
> Live Messenger was there.
>
> Finally, I went to their forum and did a search and the result was I am not alone.
> Suggestion from other users is to downgrade messenger to a lower version.
>
> In any case, I removed Zone Alarm and went to another vendor and it instantly solved the
> problem.
>
> So if you have similar problems for signing in and also are using Zone Alarm Internet
> Security, you may wish try to disable it and see if that helps.
>
> PS: I don't know about the free version and other versions.
>
> Hope this helps.
>

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

After reading so many compliments about it, I tried to be "open minded" and
decided to give it a try when my other renewal was due.

After using the paid version for a week, I don't think it deserved the
name - at least to me. For the same matter, I decided to cancel my
subscription to PC Magazine for it gave ZA an Editor's Choice for the
security suit.

Others may have different opinions about Symantec's NIS, but at least it
does a few things good:

(1) It tells me what applications might have compatibility problem (but
turned out to be ok) before installation actually began and let me to choose
to keep it or not. It won't let me spend hours on guessing what might be
the problems as ZA did to the Live Messenger.

(2) It won't keep asking me the same permission question for the same
services and the same applications over and over again.

(3) I couldn't turn off so-called "private header" alert in the ZA (I turned
it off but it still showed), so almost every Web page I visited always had
this private header alert.

(4) NIS has a better database for commonly used applications for which it
can automatically create firewall rules (if user allows it), while Zone
Alarm claimed it also has one, but it's probably an empty database for it
couldn't even recognize many Windows services. I had been so busy on
clicking Allow and reading the private-header alert for most of the time
that I couldn't even do my works.

(5) Refund: If you ever wish to return and get a refund, Symantec let you
complete the entire process with email and through their web site. It does
not require your to fill out a form to fax or mail to it as ZA.

NIS surly is not best program but it does a fine job for me.

In any case, just sharing the sign-in problem and hope that helps.


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Greetings,
>
> ZoneAlarm has been an issue with Messenger for quite some time and only
> recently the problem has been publicly admitted
>
> A few days ago ZoneLabs actually released an update which should solve the
> problem. I know you've already uninstalled it but the update can be
> obtained by using "Check for updates" in ZA.
>
> I myself have never liked ZA at all, but that's just personal opinion.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> --
>
>
>
> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
> news:ey%...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not sure if anyone else experienced any problems with Zone Alarm
>> Internet Suit 6.5
>>
>> My problem is that I couldn't sign in Live Messenger for several days
>> after switching to Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5 paid version.
>>
>> My first guess was the connection or server problems but it lasted for
>> several days and during the time, I tried Yahoo Messenger without any
>> problems. I checked the settings, and Live Messenger was there.
>>
>> Finally, I went to their forum and did a search and the result was I am
>> not alone. Suggestion from other users is to downgrade messenger to a
>> lower version.
>>
>> In any case, I removed Zone Alarm and went to another vendor and it
>> instantly solved the problem.
>>
>> So if you have similar problems for signing in and also are using Zone
>> Alarm Internet Security, you may wish try to disable it and see if that
>> helps.
>>
>> PS: I don't know about the free version and other versions.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>
>

Hi,

Forget PC Magazine (I dumped reading all those publications ages ago), you should review
software.

I agree with you on NIS completely but I do dislike the rest of the Norton baggage that you
get with it. Just to add, I've been just using the Vista firewall lately and it is actually
quite nice since it can do both outgoing and incoming blocking now and has most (all?) the
functionality you find with the third-party vendors.

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
--



"xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> After reading so many compliments about it, I tried to be "open minded" and decided to give
> it a try when my other renewal was due.
>
> After using the paid version for a week, I don't think it deserved the name - at least to
> me. For the same matter, I decided to cancel my subscription to PC Magazine for it gave ZA
> an Editor's Choice for the security suit.
>
> Others may have different opinions about Symantec's NIS, but at least it does a few things
> good:
>
> (1) It tells me what applications might have compatibility problem (but turned out to be
> ok) before installation actually began and let me to choose to keep it or not. It won't
> let me spend hours on guessing what might be the problems as ZA did to the Live Messenger.
>
> (2) It won't keep asking me the same permission question for the same services and the same
> applications over and over again.
>
> (3) I couldn't turn off so-called "private header" alert in the ZA (I turned it off but it
> still showed), so almost every Web page I visited always had this private header alert.
>
> (4) NIS has a better database for commonly used applications for which it can automatically
> create firewall rules (if user allows it), while Zone Alarm claimed it also has one, but
> it's probably an empty database for it couldn't even recognize many Windows services. I had
> been so busy on clicking Allow and reading the private-header alert for most of the time
> that I couldn't even do my works.
>
> (5) Refund: If you ever wish to return and get a refund, Symantec let you complete the
> entire process with email and through their web site. It does not require your to fill out
> a form to fax or mail to it as ZA.
>
> NIS surly is not best program but it does a fine job for me.
>
> In any case, just sharing the sign-in problem and hope that helps.
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Greetings,
>>
>> ZoneAlarm has been an issue with Messenger for quite some time and only recently the
>> problem has been publicly admitted
>>
>> A few days ago ZoneLabs actually released an update which should solve the problem. I
>> know you've already uninstalled it but the update can be obtained by using "Check for
>> updates" in ZA.
>>
>> I myself have never liked ZA at all, but that's just personal opinion.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Kay
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>> Associate Expert
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
>> news:ey%...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am not sure if anyone else experienced any problems with Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5
>>>
>>> My problem is that I couldn't sign in Live Messenger for several days after switching to
>>> Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5 paid version.
>>>
>>> My first guess was the connection or server problems but it lasted for several days and
>>> during the time, I tried Yahoo Messenger without any problems. I checked the settings,
>>> and Live Messenger was there.
>>>
>>> Finally, I went to their forum and did a search and the result was I am not alone.
>>> Suggestion from other users is to downgrade messenger to a lower version.
>>>
>>> In any case, I removed Zone Alarm and went to another vendor and it instantly solved the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> So if you have similar problems for signing in and also are using Zone Alarm Internet
>>> Security, you may wish try to disable it and see if that helps.
>>>
>>> PS: I don't know about the free version and other versions.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Hi,

Thanks again for the info.

PC Magazine is an old old friend back from 80s. I knew that I should have
dumped it long ago, but it's kind of "old memories" things.

I like many aspects of Vista, except I have only two "tiny" problems with
it:

(1) EULA for retail version: Limiting one device transfer.

(2) WGA N: Not the current WGA we are using, but the one will automatically
and periodically send verification information.

Sadly to say, if both remained, I will not buy it and there's no way I will
change my mind. I hate to do this but that's for sure.


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:6A8CABD3-E797-4839-AB8F-...
> Hi,
>
> Forget PC Magazine (I dumped reading all those publications ages ago), you
> should review software.
>
> I agree with you on NIS completely but I do dislike the rest of the Norton
> baggage that you get with it. Just to add, I've been just using the Vista
> firewall lately and it is actually quite nice since it can do both
> outgoing and incoming blocking now and has most (all?) the functionality
> you find with the third-party vendors.
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> --
>
>
>
> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> After reading so many compliments about it, I tried to be "open minded"
>> and decided to give it a try when my other renewal was due.
>>
>> After using the paid version for a week, I don't think it deserved the
>> name - at least to me. For the same matter, I decided to cancel my
>> subscription to PC Magazine for it gave ZA an Editor's Choice for the
>> security suit.
>>
>> Others may have different opinions about Symantec's NIS, but at least it
>> does a few things good:
>>
>> (1) It tells me what applications might have compatibility problem (but
>> turned out to be ok) before installation actually began and let me to
>> choose to keep it or not. It won't let me spend hours on guessing what
>> might be the problems as ZA did to the Live Messenger.
>>
>> (2) It won't keep asking me the same permission question for the same
>> services and the same applications over and over again.
>>
>> (3) I couldn't turn off so-called "private header" alert in the ZA (I
>> turned it off but it still showed), so almost every Web page I visited
>> always had this private header alert.
>>
>> (4) NIS has a better database for commonly used applications for which it
>> can automatically create firewall rules (if user allows it), while Zone
>> Alarm claimed it also has one, but it's probably an empty database for it
>> couldn't even recognize many Windows services. I had been so busy on
>> clicking Allow and reading the private-header alert for most of the time
>> that I couldn't even do my works.
>>
>> (5) Refund: If you ever wish to return and get a refund, Symantec let you
>> complete the entire process with email and through their web site. It
>> does not require your to fill out a form to fax or mail to it as ZA.
>>
>> NIS surly is not best program but it does a fine job for me.
>>
>> In any case, just sharing the sign-in problem and hope that helps.
>>
>>
>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> ZoneAlarm has been an issue with Messenger for quite some time and only
>>> recently the problem has been publicly admitted
>>>
>>> A few days ago ZoneLabs actually released an update which should solve
>>> the problem. I know you've already uninstalled it but the update can be
>>> obtained by using "Check for updates" in ZA.
>>>
>>> I myself have never liked ZA at all, but that's just personal opinion.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Kay
>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>>> Associate Expert
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
>>> news:ey%...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure if anyone else experienced any problems with Zone Alarm
>>>> Internet Suit 6.5
>>>>
>>>> My problem is that I couldn't sign in Live Messenger for several days
>>>> after switching to Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5 paid version.
>>>>
>>>> My first guess was the connection or server problems but it lasted for
>>>> several days and during the time, I tried Yahoo Messenger without any
>>>> problems. I checked the settings, and Live Messenger was there.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I went to their forum and did a search and the result was I am
>>>> not alone. Suggestion from other users is to downgrade messenger to a
>>>> lower version.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, I removed Zone Alarm and went to another vendor and it
>>>> instantly solved the problem.
>>>>
>>>> So if you have similar problems for signing in and also are using Zone
>>>> Alarm Internet Security, you may wish try to disable it and see if that
>>>> helps.
>>>>
>>>> PS: I don't know about the free version and other versions.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Hello,

Did you read the Thurrott article on the new EULA? It's here in case you didn't:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._licensing.asp

Really the XP EULA is a rather disturbing document as well, and I really don't think it's
much more than just legalise written to protect Microsoft. The actual conditions, especially
those like these 1 transfer nonsense, probably wouldn't hold up.

I do think WPA has gone too far, mainly because I've seen a few people with legal copies of
XP who have been inconvenienced. Just from the updates, you're "calling home" to Microsoft
all the time, so I'm not terribly concerned about that.

Still, one "votes" with their dollar and I have my own corporate/product blacklist as well

--
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
--


"xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi,
>
> Thanks again for the info.
>
> PC Magazine is an old old friend back from 80s. I knew that I should have dumped it long
> ago, but it's kind of "old memories" things.
>
> I like many aspects of Vista, except I have only two "tiny" problems with it:
>
> (1) EULA for retail version: Limiting one device transfer.
>
> (2) WGA N: Not the current WGA we are using, but the one will automatically and
> periodically send verification information.
>
> Sadly to say, if both remained, I will not buy it and there's no way I will change my mind.
> I hate to do this but that's for sure.
>
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:6A8CABD3-E797-4839-AB8F-...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Forget PC Magazine (I dumped reading all those publications ages ago), you should review
>> software.
>>
>> I agree with you on NIS completely but I do dislike the rest of the Norton baggage that
>> you get with it. Just to add, I've been just using the Vista firewall lately and it is
>> actually quite nice since it can do both outgoing and incoming blocking now and has most
>> (all?) the functionality you find with the third-party vendors.
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Kay
>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>> Associate Expert
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>>
>>> After reading so many compliments about it, I tried to be "open minded" and decided to
>>> give it a try when my other renewal was due.
>>>
>>> After using the paid version for a week, I don't think it deserved the name - at least to
>>> me. For the same matter, I decided to cancel my subscription to PC Magazine for it gave
>>> ZA an Editor's Choice for the security suit.
>>>
>>> Others may have different opinions about Symantec's NIS, but at least it does a few
>>> things good:
>>>
>>> (1) It tells me what applications might have compatibility problem (but turned out to be
>>> ok) before installation actually began and let me to choose to keep it or not. It won't
>>> let me spend hours on guessing what might be the problems as ZA did to the Live
>>> Messenger.
>>>
>>> (2) It won't keep asking me the same permission question for the same services and the
>>> same applications over and over again.
>>>
>>> (3) I couldn't turn off so-called "private header" alert in the ZA (I turned it off but
>>> it still showed), so almost every Web page I visited always had this private header
>>> alert.
>>>
>>> (4) NIS has a better database for commonly used applications for which it can
>>> automatically create firewall rules (if user allows it), while Zone Alarm claimed it also
>>> has one, but it's probably an empty database for it couldn't even recognize many Windows
>>> services. I had been so busy on clicking Allow and reading the private-header alert for
>>> most of the time that I couldn't even do my works.
>>>
>>> (5) Refund: If you ever wish to return and get a refund, Symantec let you complete the
>>> entire process with email and through their web site. It does not require your to fill
>>> out a form to fax or mail to it as ZA.
>>>
>>> NIS surly is not best program but it does a fine job for me.
>>>
>>> In any case, just sharing the sign-in problem and hope that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> ZoneAlarm has been an issue with Messenger for quite some time and only recently the
>>>> problem has been publicly admitted
>>>>
>>>> A few days ago ZoneLabs actually released an update which should solve the problem. I
>>>> know you've already uninstalled it but the update can be obtained by using "Check for
>>>> updates" in ZA.
>>>>
>>>> I myself have never liked ZA at all, but that's just personal opinion.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Kay
>>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>>>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>>>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>>>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
>>>> news:ey%...
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not sure if anyone else experienced any problems with Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5
>>>>>
>>>>> My problem is that I couldn't sign in Live Messenger for several days after switching
>>>>> to Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5 paid version.
>>>>>
>>>>> My first guess was the connection or server problems but it lasted for several days and
>>>>> during the time, I tried Yahoo Messenger without any problems. I checked the settings,
>>>>> and Live Messenger was there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, I went to their forum and did a search and the result was I am not alone.
>>>>> Suggestion from other users is to downgrade messenger to a lower version.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, I removed Zone Alarm and went to another vendor and it instantly solved
>>>>> the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you have similar problems for signing in and also are using Zone Alarm Internet
>>>>> Security, you may wish try to disable it and see if that helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I don't know about the free version and other versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Hi,

Thanks for the kind information. Trust me, although I am not 100% satisfied
with Vista - or better to put this way, a bit of disappointed for it leaving
out some "major" features, such as the new file system and so on, but it
"was" on the top spot of the whitelist.

I have read that article, and the following ones:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=158

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...sing_reply.asp

And to verify, I went to here and download and read it:
http://download.microsoft.com/docume...3f722371fa.pdf

Looking back to the experience on XP for which I have 3 licenses for Pro
version at home, I knew one transfer is definitely no.

And looking forward to the new requirements, I know my personal systems will
either need upgrades (for DRAM, VGA - AGP to PCI Express, CPU to du core,
HDD - even larger and faster such as SATA, and M/B if the current ones can't
hold the new components) or buy the entire new ones (and even that still may
need upgrades as time goes by).

Other than regular works, I occasionally play games, use image software
(PhotoShop), editing some web pages, and all my systems have 1 G DRAM with
512MB VGA RAM, which is "OK" for XP, but to enjoy the same speed and
performance for Vista, I can only guess but wouldn't really know until the
real life scenario comes in. PS: I don't use beta products for real life
scenario testing for many reasons and one of them is many experts are doing
it so I can just rely on their reports instead of get burned.

The only question is that I don't know when will those upgrades happen.
Since I am not that rich nor a fortune teller, so I guess it will only
happen when I really need it and can afford it. And I haven't even seriously
considered for the business systems yet (they are less likely but who
knows?).

All of the above haven't included the misfortunes, and yes, I am not a very
lucky guy, so I have system failures for power surges (even with UPS) and
for the "device" (e.g. M/B, HDD, VGA) just went down w/o a 30-day notice.
That's why I always have backup software and images for business and
personal systems and data. PS: Extra transfer is actually being seen as a
"backup" or "insurance" for the license.

And all of the above haven't included additional investments for
incompatible software and utilities.

And all of the above haven't included the stupidity of myself. Yes, it
happens although not often (at least I try), but I do screw up personal
systems once a while especially during the new OS introduction period.

To summarize - there are too many things that I don't know but there is one
thing I know for sure - one transfer is definitely not enough.

It may or may not hold up the policy. But I have no interests in playing
legal games with it plus I can't afford doing it. My education told me to
think about "what if" scenarios all the time, so what if it really
reinforces it? And if it has no intensions, why bother to put it in and why
not follow XP way?

For the WGA, I might be one of very few started to using it when it just
came out (for downloading extra goodies) and I have absolutely positively no
problem for it under that practice - with the consensus and knowledge of a
user to verify the product either for updates (critical and non-critical) or
downloads. The name - Windows Genuine Advantage, suggests the nature of the
practice, right? It's an advantage or privilege. If it didn't work at the
time (or activation), I have no problems for calling MS and yelling at them
for all the troubles, as I did years ago once for my XP system failed 3
times in a week so I had to re-install and reactivate 3 times.

But WGAN is a totally different story. I CAN'T accept anything
"automatically" and "periodically" collect my system information without my
consensus and knowledge and to send out for whatever purposes. Period. And
when people suddenly experienced the misjudgment of the auto system
verification, se, in the middle of a work, who is going to pay the loss?

So if the company thinks that's their right for doing both, that's fine.

The least thing that I can do is not to buy and let others know these types
of questionable (legally and ethically) practices - just as I have been let
them know the good things about the company's products - using the very same
standards.

As I said, it's sad to come up this type of conclusion but I have no other
choices and I will not bend over.


"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:99995B42-BA04-4793-87CD-...
> Hello,
>
> Did you read the Thurrott article on the new EULA? It's here in case you
> didn't:
> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase..._licensing.asp
>
> Really the XP EULA is a rather disturbing document as well, and I really
> don't think it's much more than just legalise written to protect
> Microsoft. The actual conditions, especially those like these 1 transfer
> nonsense, probably wouldn't hold up.
>
> I do think WPA has gone too far, mainly because I've seen a few people
> with legal copies of XP who have been inconvenienced. Just from the
> updates, you're "calling home" to Microsoft all the time, so I'm not
> terribly concerned about that.
>
> Still, one "votes" with their dollar and I have my own corporate/product
> blacklist as well
>
> --
> Jonathan Kay
> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
> --
>
>
> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks again for the info.
>>
>> PC Magazine is an old old friend back from 80s. I knew that I should
>> have dumped it long ago, but it's kind of "old memories" things.
>>
>> I like many aspects of Vista, except I have only two "tiny" problems with
>> it:
>>
>> (1) EULA for retail version: Limiting one device transfer.
>>
>> (2) WGA N: Not the current WGA we are using, but the one will
>> automatically and periodically send verification information.
>>
>> Sadly to say, if both remained, I will not buy it and there's no way I
>> will change my mind. I hate to do this but that's for sure.
>>
>>
>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
>> news:6A8CABD3-E797-4839-AB8F-...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Forget PC Magazine (I dumped reading all those publications ages ago),
>>> you should review software.
>>>
>>> I agree with you on NIS completely but I do dislike the rest of the
>>> Norton baggage that you get with it. Just to add, I've been just using
>>> the Vista firewall lately and it is actually quite nice since it can do
>>> both outgoing and incoming blocking now and has most (all?) the
>>> functionality you find with the third-party vendors.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Kay
>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>>> Associate Expert
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the info.
>>>>
>>>> After reading so many compliments about it, I tried to be "open minded"
>>>> and decided to give it a try when my other renewal was due.
>>>>
>>>> After using the paid version for a week, I don't think it deserved the
>>>> name - at least to me. For the same matter, I decided to cancel my
>>>> subscription to PC Magazine for it gave ZA an Editor's Choice for the
>>>> security suit.
>>>>
>>>> Others may have different opinions about Symantec's NIS, but at least
>>>> it does a few things good:
>>>>
>>>> (1) It tells me what applications might have compatibility problem (but
>>>> turned out to be ok) before installation actually began and let me to
>>>> choose to keep it or not. It won't let me spend hours on guessing what
>>>> might be the problems as ZA did to the Live Messenger.
>>>>
>>>> (2) It won't keep asking me the same permission question for the same
>>>> services and the same applications over and over again.
>>>>
>>>> (3) I couldn't turn off so-called "private header" alert in the ZA (I
>>>> turned it off but it still showed), so almost every Web page I visited
>>>> always had this private header alert.
>>>>
>>>> (4) NIS has a better database for commonly used applications for which
>>>> it can automatically create firewall rules (if user allows it), while
>>>> Zone Alarm claimed it also has one, but it's probably an empty database
>>>> for it couldn't even recognize many Windows services. I had been so
>>>> busy on clicking Allow and reading the private-header alert for most of
>>>> the time that I couldn't even do my works.
>>>>
>>>> (5) Refund: If you ever wish to return and get a refund, Symantec let
>>>> you complete the entire process with email and through their web site.
>>>> It does not require your to fill out a form to fax or mail to it as ZA.
>>>>
>>>> NIS surly is not best program but it does a fine job for me.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, just sharing the sign-in problem and hope that helps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> ZoneAlarm has been an issue with Messenger for quite some time and
>>>>> only recently the problem has been publicly admitted
>>>>>
>>>>> A few days ago ZoneLabs actually released an update which should solve
>>>>> the problem. I know you've already uninstalled it but the update can
>>>>> be obtained by using "Check for updates" in ZA.
>>>>>
>>>>> I myself have never liked ZA at all, but that's just personal opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonathan Kay
>>>>> Microsoft MVP - Windows Live Messenger/MSN Messenger/Windows Messenger
>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>>>>> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>>>>> All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2006 Jonathan Kay.
>>>>> You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "xfile" <cou-> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ey%...
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not sure if anyone else experienced any problems with Zone Alarm
>>>>>> Internet Suit 6.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My problem is that I couldn't sign in Live Messenger for several days
>>>>>> after switching to Zone Alarm Internet Suit 6.5 paid version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first guess was the connection or server problems but it lasted
>>>>>> for several days and during the time, I tried Yahoo Messenger without
>>>>>> any problems. I checked the settings, and Live Messenger was there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, I went to their forum and did a search and the result was I
>>>>>> am not alone. Suggestion from other users is to downgrade messenger
>>>>>> to a lower version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, I removed Zone Alarm and went to another vendor and it
>>>>>> instantly solved the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if you have similar problems for signing in and also are using
>>>>>> Zone Alarm Internet Security, you may wish try to disable it and see
>>>>>> if that helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: I don't know about the free version and other versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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