Size of available shrink space in MB = 0

Hi,

I am trying to shrink space on my C: partition using the Vista Disk
Management program. I have 54.15GB of free space; however when trying
to shrink the C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
shrink space. I have done the following:
- ran disk clean-up on files from all users
- disabled system restore
- cleaned up restore points
- defragmented the disk

I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).

If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.

Thanks.

The tool that can fix this is called paragon parition manager

having said that, I think that if you use a good defragmenter tool like
RAXCO PERFECT DISK, then it really moves the files in the begining of the
drive, thus leaving empty space for vista to do its thing...

as for a free alternative solution there is a linux bootable disk called
PARTMAGIC or
another one called GPART (these 2 are similar) that I think will work.. but
I usually use PARAGON, its the best!

Ill try to find the links for the last 2 and will post later ...



"Maya" <> wrote in message
news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-...
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to shrink space on my C: partition using the Vista Disk
> Management program. I have 54.15GB of free space; however when trying
> to shrink the C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
> shrink space. I have done the following:
> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
> - disabled system restore
> - cleaned up restore points
> - defragmented the disk
>
> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>
> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks.

ok here are the live CD's that can manage the paritions for you, see this
page and especialy the TABLE showing what it can do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GParted


GPARTED (bootable cd) http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/


PARTEDMAGINC (Bootable CD) http://www.partedmagic.com/


"Maya" <> wrote in message
news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-...
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to shrink space on my C: partition using the Vista Disk
> Management program. I have 54.15GB of free space; however when trying
> to shrink the C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
> shrink space. I have done the following:
> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
> - disabled system restore
> - cleaned up restore points
> - defragmented the disk
>
> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>
> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks.

Hi,

You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that Vista's
defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the volume, you
won't be able to shrink it until they are moved.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Maya" <> wrote in message
news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-...
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to shrink space on my C: partition using the Vista Disk
> Management program. I have 54.15GB of free space; however when trying
> to shrink the C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
> shrink space. I have done the following:
> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
> - disabled system restore
> - cleaned up restore points
> - defragmented the disk
>
> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>
> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>
> Thanks.

so lets see....

1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
eternity.

2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions well
enough...

GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!


"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
news:uii9ZI%...
> Hi,
>
> You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
> Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
> volume, you won't be able to shrink it until they are moved.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "Maya" <> wrote in message
> news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to shrink space on my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> Management program. I have 54.15GB of free space; however when trying
>> to shrink the C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> shrink space. I have done the following:
>> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> - disabled system restore
>> - cleaned up restore points
>> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
>> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>

The reason I'm trying to shrink space and create a partition is
because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)

Thanks a lot for your help

On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j...@smith.com> wrote:
> so lets see....
>
> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
> eternity.
>
> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions well
> enough...
>
> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>
> "Rick Rogers" <r...@mvps.org> wrote in message
>
> news:uii9ZI%...
>
> > Hi,
>
> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>
> > --
> > Best of Luck,
>
> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> > "Maya" <mariya.nago...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-...
> >> Hi,
>
> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when trying
> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
> >> - disabled system restore
> >> - cleaned up restore points
> >> - defragmented the disk
>
> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>
> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>
> >> Thanks.

Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
and it does support SHRINK indeed.. so you can shrink the first NTFS volume,
thus leaving space for FERDORA,

Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have used
that distro,
but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!

In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so you
can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest that
you backup all important data from vista before you do this..

anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!



"Maya" <> wrote in message
news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-...
> The reason I'm trying to shrink space and create a partition is
> because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> Thanks a lot for your help
>
> On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j...@smith.com> wrote:
>> so lets see....
>>
>> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
>> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
>> eternity.
>>
>> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
>> well
>> enough...
>>
>> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <r...@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>
>> news:uii9ZI%...
>>
>> > Hi,
>>
>> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
>> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
>> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>>
>> > --
>> > Best of Luck,
>>
>> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
>> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> > "Maya" <mariya.nago...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-...
>> >> Hi,
>>
>> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
>> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when trying
>> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
>> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
>> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
>> >> - disabled system restore
>> >> - cleaned up restore points
>> >> - defragmented the disk
>>
>> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
>> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
>> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>>
>> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> >> Thanks.
>

Maya wrote:

> The reason I'm trying to shrink space and create a partition is
> because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> partitioning methods or shrink and partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> Thanks a lot for your help
>
I use Ubuntu, not Fedora, but I'd imagine the routine is the same. I'd
recommend letting the Fedora install routine shrink and use available space
it creates. I doubt that it will defrag your existing ntfs drive. You
should do that in Windoze prior to installing Fedora. I thought that Vista
automatically did a defrag in the background as you ran it? So it might be
a non-issue.

Cheers.

--
An HONEST Vista Ad:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bzt4wDiVY9E

The Rolling Stones Love Vista:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kql8cWqiv8

Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
http://www.binsa.org/

What about defragmentation - I used vista to defrag BEFORE I cleaned
up the restore points. Would you recommend defragmenting now as well
using vista's defragmentation program or obtain 3rd party defrag
program (if you know any for free, that would be great).

When I run vista's defrag, it tells me that "Your file system
performance is good. You do not need to defragment at this time". (but
I CAN defrag) So I thought that after cleaning up the restore points,
I didn't need to defrag. However, not being able to have a visual
representation of the disk (XP has one, I think, 'cause I remember I
did a defrag before and I could see where memory was used up on the
disk before and after defrag) is really unfortunate because I don't
know where and what memory is used up.

I'm pretty sure that FEDORA uses GPARTED to partition the disk. Are
there any risks to partitioning during installation rather than before
installation?

Thanks.

On Jan 16, 10:55 am, "John Smith" <j...@smith.com> wrote:
> Hello Maya, I took a look at GPARTED live cd that is a linux basically...
> and it does supportSHRINKindeed.. so you canshrinkthe first NTFS volume,
> thus leavingspacefor FERDORA,
>
> Im not sure about Ferdora, since it has been a long time since I have used
> that distro,
> but other linux distros have GPARTED inside the INSTALLER of the Linux!
>
> In other words GPARTED is a part of the linux you will be installing, so you
> can indeed resize and make room for linux.. HOWEVER I strongly suggest that
> you backup all important data from vista before you do this..
>
> anything can go wrong, and its better to be safe than sorry!
>
> "Maya" <mariya.nago...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:859e1d74-ca4a-438b-a2ba-...
>
> > The reason I'm trying toshrinkspaceand create a partition is
> > because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> > planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> > that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> > installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> > partitioning methods orshrinkand partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> > not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> > Thanks a lot for your help
>
> > On Jan 15, 9:09 pm, "John Smith" <j...@smith.com> wrote:
> >> so lets see....
>
> >> 1) vista has a defrag that doesnt work well (basically its SH!T) they
> >> removed all visual feedback, whoever did this should burn in hell for
> >> eternity.
>
> >> 2) and it also has a partition manager that cant resize the partitions
> >> well
> >> enough...
>
> >> GEE WHIZZZ, VISTA SUCKS!
>
> >> "Rick Rogers" <r...@mvps.org> wrote in message
>
> >>news:uii9ZI%.. .
>
> >> > Hi,
>
> >> > You may need to use a third party defrag program to move files that
> >> > Vista's defrag routine cannot. If they are locked at the end of the
> >> > volume, you won't be able toshrinkit until they are moved.
>
> >> > --
> >> > Best of Luck,
>
> >> > Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> >> >http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> >> > Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
> >> > My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> >> > "Maya" <mariya.nago...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:f1fcf34d-fa40-42d0-b485-...
> >> >> Hi,
>
> >> >> I am trying toshrinkspaceon my C: partition using the Vista Disk
> >> >> Management program. I have 54.15GB of freespace; however when trying
> >> >> toshrinkthe C: volume, the program tells me that I have 0MB of
> >> >>shrinkspace. I have done the following:
> >> >> - ran disk clean-up on files from all users
> >> >> - disabled system restore
> >> >> - cleaned up restore points
> >> >> - defragmented the disk
>
> >> >> I have also tried using the trial version of Acronis Disk Director,
> >> >> which is compatible with Vista. However, in the trial version, it only
> >> >> allows shrinkage of about 7MB (I would like to free up about 30GB).
>
> >> >> If anyone can help me fix this, I'll greatly appreciate it.
>
> >> >> Thanks.

Vista does run an automatic defrag whenever you set it to. However, I
have deleted many files in the past week to free up more space so I
need to defrag once more.

I think I most likely will just use the Fedora install shrink routine
and partitioning. However, I'm still confused as to why Vista's disk
manager tells me that there is 0MB space to shrink (where I have
54GB's of free space).

On Jan 16, 11:11 am, NoStop <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Maya wrote:
> > The reason I'm trying toshrinkspaceand create a partition is
> > because I would like to install Linux on the new partition. I am
> > planning on installing Fedora Core 8 from the liveCD. I understand
> > that the liveCD has the option of partitioning the hardrive during
> > installation. Would you at all recommend using the liveCD's
> > partitioning methods orshrinkand partition BEFORE installation? (I'm
> > not sure if the CD has a defragmentation program though)
>
> > Thanks a lot for your help
>
> I use Ubuntu, not Fedora, but I'd imagine the routine is the same. I'd
> recommend letting the Fedora install routineshrinkand useavailablespace
> it creates. I doubt that it will defrag your existing ntfs drive. You
> should do that in Windoze prior to installing Fedora. I thought that Vista
> automatically did a defrag in the background as you ran it? So it might be
> a non-issue.
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
> An HONEST Vista Ad:http://youtube.com/watch?v=bzt4wDiVY9E
>
> The Rolling Stones Love Vista:http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kql8cWqiv8
>
> Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...http://www.binsa.org/