A slap in the face to the Microsoft faithful, from Bill Gates

You know how certain idiots, one in particular praises Windows and
Microsoft to the highest in this newsgroup. Well fools, maybe if you
don't want to believe me when I say Microsoft sucks, you might believe
Gates himself, after all he is co founder of Microsoft.

What follows is an internal email, part of Discovery in a recent law
suit. Read it carefully and fully. You'll laugh your ass off. Promise!
If you had any doubt the dummies at Microsoft don't have a clue what
they're doing, just read following and watch Gates rip his own
employees a new one. There are many similar emails. This one deals
with Billy's frustration trying to download Moviemaker and caused him
to make comments like Microsoft's site is "unusable", called his own
Microsoft web site "full of garbage", other fun stuff. Enjoy, I know I
did! ;-) Yes, it's a oldie, but a goodie.

From: Bill Gates
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:05 AM
To: Jim Allchin
Cc: Chris Jones (WINDOWS); Bharat Shah (NT); Joe Peterson; Will Poole;
Brian Valentine; Anoop Gupta (RESEARCH)

Subject: Windows Usability Systematic degradation flame

I am quite disappointed at how Windows Usability has been going
backwards and the program management groups don't drive usability
issues.

Let me give you my experience from yesterday.

I decided to download (Moviemaker) and buy the Digital Plus pack ...
so I went to Microsoft.com. They have a download place so I went
there. The first 5 times I used the site it timed out while trying to
bring up the download page. Then after an 8 second delay I got it to
come up.

This site is so slow, it is unusable.

It wasn't in the top 5 so I expanded the other 45.

These 45 names are totally confusing. These names make stuff like:

C:\Documents and Settings\billg\My Documents\My Pictures seem clear.

They are not filtered by the system ... and so many of the things are
strange. I tried scoping to Media stuff. Still no moviemaker. I typed
in movie. Nothing. I typed in movie maker. Nothing. So I gave up and
sent mail to Amir saying - where is this Moviemaker download? Does it
exist?

So they told me that using the download page to download something was
not something they anticipated. They told me to go to the main page
search button and type movie maker (not moviemaker!).

I tried that. The site was pathetically slow but after 6 seconds of
waiting up it came. I thought for sure now I would see a button to
just go do the download. In fact it is more like a puzzle that you get
to solve. It told me to go to Windows Update and do a bunch of
incantations. This struck me as completely odd. Why should I have to
go somewhere else and do a scan to download moviemaker?

So I went to Windows update. Windows Update decides I need to download
a bunch of controls. (Not) just once but multiple times where I get to
see weird dialog boxes.

Doesn't Windows update know some key to talk to Windows?

Then I did the scan. This took quite some time and I was told it was
critical for me to download 17megs of stuff. This is after I was told
we were doing delta patches to things but instead just to get 6 things
that are labeled in the SCARIEST possible way I had to download 17meg.

So I did the download. That part was fast. Then it wanted to do an
install. This took 6 minutes and the machine was so slow I couldn't
use it for anything else during this time.

What the heck is going on during those 6 minutes? That is crazy. This
is after the download was finished. Then it told me to reboot my
machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night -- why should I
reboot at that time?

So I did the reboot because it INSISTED on it. Of course that meant
completely getting rid of all my Outlook state. So I got back up and
running and went to Windows Update again. I forgot why I was in
Windows Update at all since all I wanted was to get Moviemaker.

So I went back to Microsoft.com and looked at the instructions. I have
to click on a folder called WindowsXP. Why should I do that? Windows
Update knows I am on Windows XP. What does it mean to have to click on
that folder? So I get a bunch of confusing stuff but sure enough one
of them is Moviemaker.

So I do the download. The download is fast but the Install takes many
minutes. Amazing how slow this thing is. At some point I get told I
need to go get Windows Media Series 9 to download.

So I decide I will go do that. This time I get dialogs saying things
like "Open" or "Save". No guidance in the instructions which to do. I
have no clue which to do. The download is fast and the install takes 7
minutes for this thing. So now I think I am going to have Moviemaker.
I go to my add/remove programs place to make sure it is there.

It is not there.

What is there? The following garbage is there. Microsoft Autoupdate
Exclusive test package, Microsoft Autoupdate Reboot test package,
Microsoft Autoupdate testpackage1. Microsoft AUtoupdate testpackage2,
Microsoft Autoupdate Test package3.

Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable? The
file system is no longer usable. The registry is not usable. This
program listing was one sane place but now it is all crapped up.

But that is just the start of the crap. Later I have listed things
like Windows XP Hotfix see Q329048 for more information. What is
Q329048? Why are these series of patches listed here? Some of the
patches just things like Q810655 instead of saying see Q329048 for
more information.

What an absolute mess.

Moviemaker is just not there at all. So I give up on Moviemaker and
decide to download the Digital Plus Package. I get told I need to go
enter a bunch of information about myself. I enter it all in and
because it decides I have mistyped something I have to try again. Of
course it has cleared out most of what I typed. I try (typing) the
right stuff in 5 times and it just keeps clearing things out for me to
type them in again.

So after more than an hour of craziness and making my programs list
garbage and being scared and seeing that Microsoft.com is a terrible
website I haven't run Moviemaker and I haven't got the plus package.

The lack of attention to usability represented by these experiences
blows my mind. I thought we had reached a low with Windows Network
places or the messages I get when I try to use 802.11. (don't you just
love that root certificate message?) When I really get to use the
stuff I am sure I will have more feedback.


When we were concluding our interview last week, I showed Gates a
printout of the e-mail and asked if he ever got Movie Maker to work.
Gates noted that Microsoft plans to include Movie Maker as part of
Windows Live, so people will get the program when they download that
online package. The company isn't confirming that officially yet,
but's not a complete surprise. See this Wikipedia entry and this
related post on LiveSide.net. (Site temporarily down as of Tuesday
morning.)

As for the message, Gates smiled and said, "There's not a day that I
don't send a piece of e-mail ... like that piece of e-mail. That's my
job."

Follow-up: No BS: A glimpse of the real Bill Gates

Update: Dave Ross of KIRO-AM/710 in Seattle did a dramatic reading of
the message on air Wednesday morning. Click here to access the audio.

Update, Friday: During his farewell event at Microsoft this morning,
Gates referred to this, and poked a little fun at us: "One of the
newspapers had some e-mail that I sent about how maybe Windows could
have been better at something, and they said, 'This is a shocking
e-mail. Shocking!' And I said, 'What do you think I do all day?
Sending an e-mail like that, that is my job. That's what it's all
about. We're here to make things better."

See more from that farewell event in this post.

"Ringmaster" <> wrote in message
news:...
> You know how certain idiots, one in particular praises Windows and
> Microsoft to the highest in this newsgroup. Well fools, maybe if you
> don't want to believe me when I say Microsoft sucks, you might believe
> Gates himself, after all he is co founder of Microsoft.

Actually this was doctored and Ringmaster (Adam Albright) has modified the
text so you would believe his crap. This is far from the truth.


>
> What follows is an internal email, part of Discovery in a recent law
> suit. Read it carefully and fully. You'll laugh your ass off. Promise!
> If you had any doubt the dummies at Microsoft don't have a clue what
> they're doing, just read following and watch Gates rip his own
> employees a new one. There are many similar emails. This one deals
> with Billy's frustration trying to download Moviemaker and caused him
> to make comments like Microsoft's site is "unusable", called his own
> Microsoft web site "full of garbage", other fun stuff. Enjoy, I know I
> did! ;-) Yes, it's a oldie, but a goodie.
>


Again, this was made up and has been circulating around the internet for
years. Nothing new here, but Ringmaster thinks he has found gold. What a
total putz.



> From: Bill Gates
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:05 AM
> To: Jim Allchin
> Cc: Chris Jones (WINDOWS); Bharat Shah (NT); Joe Peterson; Will Poole;
> Brian Valentine; Anoop Gupta (RESEARCH)
>
> Subject: Windows Usability Systematic degradation flame
>
> I am quite disappointed at how Windows Usability has been going
> backwards and the program management groups don't drive usability
> issues.
>
> Let me give you my experience from yesterday.
>
> I decided to download (Moviemaker) and buy the Digital Plus pack ...
> so I went to Microsoft.com. They have a download place so I went
> there. The first 5 times I used the site it timed out while trying to
> bring up the download page. Then after an 8 second delay I got it to
> come up.
>
> This site is so slow, it is unusable.
>
> It wasn't in the top 5 so I expanded the other 45.
>
> These 45 names are totally confusing. These names make stuff like:
>
> C:\Documents and Settings\billg\My Documents\My Pictures seem clear.
>
> They are not filtered by the system ... and so many of the things are
> strange. I tried scoping to Media stuff. Still no moviemaker. I typed
> in movie. Nothing. I typed in movie maker. Nothing. So I gave up and
> sent mail to Amir saying - where is this Moviemaker download? Does it
> exist?
>
> So they told me that using the download page to download something was
> not something they anticipated. They told me to go to the main page
> search button and type movie maker (not moviemaker!).
>
> I tried that. The site was pathetically slow but after 6 seconds of
> waiting up it came. I thought for sure now I would see a button to
> just go do the download. In fact it is more like a puzzle that you get
> to solve. It told me to go to Windows Update and do a bunch of
> incantations. This struck me as completely odd. Why should I have to
> go somewhere else and do a scan to download moviemaker?
>
> So I went to Windows update. Windows Update decides I need to download
> a bunch of controls. (Not) just once but multiple times where I get to
> see weird dialog boxes.
>
> Doesn't Windows update know some key to talk to Windows?
>
> Then I did the scan. This took quite some time and I was told it was
> critical for me to download 17megs of stuff. This is after I was told
> we were doing delta patches to things but instead just to get 6 things
> that are labeled in the SCARIEST possible way I had to download 17meg.
>
> So I did the download. That part was fast. Then it wanted to do an
> install. This took 6 minutes and the machine was so slow I couldn't
> use it for anything else during this time.
>
> What the heck is going on during those 6 minutes? That is crazy. This
> is after the download was finished. Then it told me to reboot my
> machine. Why should I do that? I reboot every night -- why should I
> reboot at that time?
>
> So I did the reboot because it INSISTED on it. Of course that meant
> completely getting rid of all my Outlook state. So I got back up and
> running and went to Windows Update again. I forgot why I was in
> Windows Update at all since all I wanted was to get Moviemaker.
>
> So I went back to Microsoft.com and looked at the instructions. I have
> to click on a folder called WindowsXP. Why should I do that? Windows
> Update knows I am on Windows XP. What does it mean to have to click on
> that folder? So I get a bunch of confusing stuff but sure enough one
> of them is Moviemaker.
>
> So I do the download. The download is fast but the Install takes many
> minutes. Amazing how slow this thing is. At some point I get told I
> need to go get Windows Media Series 9 to download.
>
> So I decide I will go do that. This time I get dialogs saying things
> like "Open" or "Save". No guidance in the instructions which to do. I
> have no clue which to do. The download is fast and the install takes 7
> minutes for this thing. So now I think I am going to have Moviemaker.
> I go to my add/remove programs place to make sure it is there.
>
> It is not there.
>
> What is there? The following garbage is there. Microsoft Autoupdate
> Exclusive test package, Microsoft Autoupdate Reboot test package,
> Microsoft Autoupdate testpackage1. Microsoft AUtoupdate testpackage2,
> Microsoft Autoupdate Test package3.
>
> Someone decided to trash the one part of Windows that was usable? The
> file system is no longer usable. The registry is not usable. This
> program listing was one sane place but now it is all crapped up.
>
> But that is just the start of the crap. Later I have listed things
> like Windows XP Hotfix see Q329048 for more information. What is
> Q329048? Why are these series of patches listed here? Some of the
> patches just things like Q810655 instead of saying see Q329048 for
> more information.
>
> What an absolute mess.
>
> Moviemaker is just not there at all. So I give up on Moviemaker and
> decide to download the Digital Plus Package. I get told I need to go
> enter a bunch of information about myself. I enter it all in and
> because it decides I have mistyped something I have to try again. Of
> course it has cleared out most of what I typed. I try (typing) the
> right stuff in 5 times and it just keeps clearing things out for me to
> type them in again.
>
> So after more than an hour of craziness and making my programs list
> garbage and being scared and seeing that Microsoft.com is a terrible
> website I haven't run Moviemaker and I haven't got the plus package.
>
> The lack of attention to usability represented by these experiences
> blows my mind. I thought we had reached a low with Windows Network
> places or the messages I get when I try to use 802.11. (don't you just
> love that root certificate message?) When I really get to use the
> stuff I am sure I will have more feedback.
>
>
> When we were concluding our interview last week, I showed Gates a
> printout of the e-mail and asked if he ever got Movie Maker to work.
> Gates noted that Microsoft plans to include Movie Maker as part of
> Windows Live, so people will get the program when they download that
> online package. The company isn't confirming that officially yet,
> but's not a complete surprise. See this Wikipedia entry and this
> related post on LiveSide.net. (Site temporarily down as of Tuesday
> morning.)
>
> As for the message, Gates smiled and said, "There's not a day that I
> don't send a piece of e-mail ... like that piece of e-mail. That's my
> job."
>


So dismiss this crap that Ringmaster writes. Ringmaster just loves to cause
trouble. He is nothing more than a drunk fool in this group.

A total retard.

Ringmaster wrote:
----------------------------------------------------------------

So you think the CEO, Founder & Chair of the Board of MS doing his job
is a slap in who's face?
My face? It's plain that you've never run any sort of company.
Hell you can't even run your own life nor your own little Vista computer.
This is a person, Bill Gates, in control, in charge and doing his job.
It may seen like a piece of MS "dirty laundry" to a fukkin drunken loser
like you but as he says,

"...What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is
my job. That's what it's all about. We're here to make things better."

So mr drunken lying pig. You're interpretation of that e-mail from "03
only serves to make you look like the inept, bungling business novice
and stupid fool you really are!
Oh, and thanks for once again, proving my point!...LOL!
You are pathetic and becoming a very desperate fool!

On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:08:22 -0700, Frank <> wrote:

>Ringmaster wrote:
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>So you think the CEO, Founder & Chair of the Board of MS doing his job
>is a slap in who's face?
>My face? It's plain that you've never run any sort of company.
>Hell you can't even run your own life nor your own little Vista computer.
>This is a person, Bill Gates, in control, in charge and doing his job.
>It may seen like a piece of MS "dirty laundry" to a fukkin drunken loser
>like you but as he says,
>
>"...What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is
>my job. That's what it's all about. We're here to make things better."
>
>So mr drunken lying pig. You're interpretation of that e-mail from "03
>only serves to make you look like the inept, bungling business novice
>and stupid fool you really are!
>Oh, and thanks for once again, proving my point!...LOL!
>You are pathetic and becoming a very desperate fool!

Frank, go suck another egg you stupid dickhead. You as expected missed
the whole point of the email. Gates sees Microsoft be bloated, out of
control, poorly run and GARBAGE, his words after trying to use
Microsoft web site.

Only some **** stain like you would attempt to put a lipstick on a pig
and then claim oh look how pretty it is.

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:59:21 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
<> wrote:

>
>"Ringmaster" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> You know how certain idiots, one in particular praises Windows and
>> Microsoft to the highest in this newsgroup. Well fools, maybe if you
>> don't want to believe me when I say Microsoft sucks, you might believe
>> Gates himself, after all he is co founder of Microsoft.
>
>Actually this was doctored and Ringmaster (Adam Albright) has modified the
>text so you would believe his crap. This is far from the truth.

Doctored? You're babbling **** again asswipe. It is a word for word
quote you **** stain.

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/141821.asp

I just LOVE bitch slapping your dumb ass off Spanky, you diseased
little ****. Remember my weapon of choice is the TRUTH. All a moron
like you has is some half-baked lies and your potty mouth.

Thanks so much for helping me prove what a liar you always are.

Frank's Keeper wrote:

> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:08:22 -0700, Frank <> wrote:
>
>
>>Ringmaster wrote:
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>So you think the CEO, Founder & Chair of the Board of MS doing his job
>>is a slap in who's face?
>>My face? It's plain that you've never run any sort of company.
>>Hell you can't even run your own life nor your own little Vista computer.
>>This is a person, Bill Gates, in control, in charge and doing his job.
>>It may seen like a piece of MS "dirty laundry" to a fukkin drunken loser
>>like you but as he says,
>>
>>"...What do you think I do all day? Sending an e-mail like that, that is
>>my job. That's what it's all about. We're here to make things better."
>>
>>So mr drunken lying pig. You're interpretation of that e-mail from "03
>>only serves to make you look like the inept, bungling business novice
>>and stupid fool you really are!
>>Oh, and thanks for once again, proving my point!...LOL!
>>You are pathetic and becoming a very desperate fool!
>
>
> Frank, go suck another egg you stupid dickhead.

Go suck hubba's **** encrusted dick asswipe!

You as expected missed
> the whole point of the email.

That would be you, the village idiot.

Gates sees Microsoft be bloated, out of
> control, poorly run and GARBAGE, his words after trying to use
> Microsoft web site.

How fukkin dumb are you? You've been unemployed/unemployable for 20+yrs
and you're going to tell us how to run a company?

Only some **** stain like you would attempt to put a lipstick on a pig
> and then claim oh look how pretty it is.

Only a ****wit idiot moron loser like would attempt to pretend you know
something about running a business, your life or your computer.
Go suck bubba's **** encrusted dick you pile of useless ****!

"Ringmaster" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:59:21 -0700, "Ringmaster's Psychiatrist"
> <> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ringmaster" <> wrote in message
>>news:. ..
>>> You know how certain idiots, one in particular praises Windows and
>>> Microsoft to the highest in this newsgroup. Well fools, maybe if you
>>> don't want to believe me when I say Microsoft sucks, you might believe
>>> Gates himself, after all he is co founder of Microsoft.
>>
>>Actually this was doctored and Ringmaster (Adam Albright) has modified the
>>text so you would believe his crap. This is far from the truth.
>
> Doctored? You're babbling **** again asswipe. It is a word for word
> quote you **** stain.
>
> http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m...ves/141821.asp
>
> I just LOVE bitch slapping your dumb ass off Spanky, you diseased
> little ****. Remember my weapon of choice is the TRUTH. All a moron
> like you has is some half-baked lies and your potty mouth.
>

Your weapon is your disgusting mouth. Remember, you are the one who has
posted over 67,987 insulting posts with the majority of them going to Dr.
Laura and Rush Limbaugh. What a sick right wing wacko animal porn peddler
you are. An embarrassment to the vista group.

> Thanks so much for helping me prove what a liar you always are.

Frank wrote:
>
> Go suck hubba's **** encrusted dick asswipe!

Charming.

Alias

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g7f489$tk7$...
> Frank wrote:
>>
>> Go suck hubba's **** encrusted dick asswipe!
>
> Charming.
>
> Alias

So that kind of behavior turns you on? What a sicko.

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>>
>> Go suck hubba's **** encrusted dick asswipe!
>
>
> Charming.

You're jealous huh?
Figures. I'm sure adam is willing to share but only if you share your
sheep!...LOL!