Slow boot first time in the morning

My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
files and cashes once a day.
It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
week.
Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
Any help would be appreciated.
John

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
<> wrote:

> My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
> all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
> is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
> freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
> I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
> reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
> I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
> files and cashes once a day.
> It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
> registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
> week.


From what you've told us, I can't tell you what your problem is, but I
can tell you that you making a very bad mistake. Registry cleaning
programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the registry isn't needed
and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and don't use any registry
cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors of registry
cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused registry
entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.

Read http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html



> Real time monitoring by McCafee


McAfee Anti-virus, is the second worst anti-virus program available,
Only Norton is worse. I recommend NOD32 if you willing to pay for one,
or Avast if you want a free one.


> and Windows Defender.
> I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.


And Defender, Adaware, and Spybot Search and Destroy are three of the
weakest anti-spyware programs. I recommend that you run the freeware
versions of both of the following: MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and
SuperAntiSpyware.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
<> wrote:

>My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
>all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
>is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
>freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
>I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
>reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
>I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
>files and cashes once a day.
>It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
>registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
>week.
>Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
>I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
>Any help would be appreciated.
>John

In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!

"f/fgeorge" wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
> <> wrote:
>
> >My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
> >all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
> >is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
> >freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
> >I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
> >reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
> >I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
> >files and cashes once a day.
> >It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
> >registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
> >week.
> >Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
> >I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
> >Any help would be appreciated.
> >John
>
> In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
> and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
> then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
> starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
> every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
> make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
> that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
> it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
> leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
> power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
> from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
> won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
> run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
> pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
> first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!
>

f/fgeorge,
Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep rather
than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for about 10
minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
searchindexer.exe
mmc.exe
mcsvrent.exe
I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
John

--->
>
> "f/fgeorge" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
>>> all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
>>> is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
>>> freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
>>> I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
>>> reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
>>> I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
>>> files and cashes once a day.
>>> It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
>>> registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
>>> week.
>>> Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
>>> I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>> John
>> In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
>> and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
>> then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
>> starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
>> every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
>> make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
>> that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
>> it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
>> leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
>> power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
>> from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
>> won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
>> run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
>> pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
>> first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!
>>
>
> f/fgeorge,
> Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep rather
> than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for about 10
> minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
> 3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
> searchindexer.exe
> mmc.exe
> mcsvrent.exe
> I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
> John

I think what George meant was to just leave it on. Not
sleeping/hibernating, but simply leave it on. My computers (4) stay on
24/7. They are rarely turned off, only rebooted when the MS police tell
me to. In the evening I turn off the monitor, that's all. I usually
stop my email client (or mute the sound) so the 'ding dong' of arriving
mail doesn't act like Chinese water torture while asleep.

Questor

John;1148967 Wrote:
> "f/fgeorge" wrote
> > > >
> > > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, Joh
> > > <John@newsgroup> wrote
> > >> > > > >
> > > > >My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes t
> > > boot t
> > > > >all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts th
> > > hard driv
> > > > >is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook
> > > it wil
> > > > >freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of th
> > > screen
> > > > >I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (usin
> > > > >reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any singl
> > > program
> > > > >I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clea
> > > up tem
> > > > >files and cashes once a day
> > > > >It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one o
> > > th
> > > > >registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleane
> > > once
> > > > >week
> > > > >Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender
> > > > >I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently
> > > > >Any help would be appreciated
> > > > >John> > > >
> >
> > > In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnigh
> > tonit
> > > and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normall
> > i
> > > then it is probably all that software doing startup scans
> > Typicall
> > > starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seem
> > lik
> > > every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a sca
> > t
> > > make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to mak
> > sur
> > > that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to onl
> > tur
> > > it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per mont
> > jus
> > > leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, pus
> > th
> > > power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I ge
> > u
> > > from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And n
> > i
> > > won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designe
> > t
> > > run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, an
> > hav
> > > pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day the
> > wer
> > > first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine
> > > > >
>
> f/fgeorge
> Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to slee
> rathe
> than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran fo
> about 1
> minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook
> 3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor
> searchindexer.ex
> mmc.ex
> mcsvrent.ex
> I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem
> Joh

Type SERVICES into the Start/search and hit Enter. On the Services pag
go down to WINDOWS SEARCH, right click on it, go to Properties and se
it to "Disabled" in lieu of "Automatic". Then reboot
BTW: You must have made a typo with mcsvrent.exe - I never heard o
such a service

--
whs

"whs" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> John;1148967 Wrote:
>> "f/fgeorge" wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
>> > > <John@newsgroup> wrote:
>> > >> > > > >
>> > > > >My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes
>> > > > >to
>> > > boot to
>> > > > >all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the
>> > > hard drive
>> > > > >is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g.
>> > > > >Outlook,
>> > > it will
>> > > > >freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the
>> > > screen.
>> > > > >I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive
>> > > > >(using
>> > > > >reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single
>> > > program.
>> > > > >I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and
>> > > > >clean
>> > > up temp
>> > > > >files and cashes once a day.
>> > > > >It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of
>> > > the
>> > > > >registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry
>> > > > >Cleaner
>> > > once a
>> > > > >week.
>> > > > >Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
>> > > > >I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
>> > > > >Any help would be appreciated.
>> > > > >John> > > >
>> > >
>> > > In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight
>> > tonite
>> > > and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally
>> > is
>> > > then it is probably all that software doing startup scans.
>> > Typically
>> > > starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems
>> > like
>> > > every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan
>> > to
>> > > make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make
>> > sure
>> > > that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only
>> > turn
>> > > it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month
>> > just
>> > > leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push
>> > the
>> > > power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get
>> > up
>> > > from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no
>> > it
>> > > won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed
>> > to
>> > > run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and
>> > have
>> > > pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they
>> > were
>> > > first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!
>> > > > >
>>
>> f/fgeorge,
>> Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep
>> rather
>> than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for
>> about 10
>> minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
>> 3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
>> searchindexer.exe
>> mmc.exe
>> mcsvrent.exe
>> I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
>> John
>
>
> Type SERVICES into the Start/search and hit Enter. On the Services page
> go down to WINDOWS SEARCH, right click on it, go to Properties and set
> it to "Disabled" in lieu of "Automatic". Then reboot.
> BTW: You must have made a typo with mcsvrent.exe - I never heard of
> such a service.
>
>
> --
> whs

I think he meant mcsvrcnt.exe, which is associated with his McAfee.
http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/mcsvrcnt/

SC Tom

John;1148117 Wrote:
> My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boo
> t
> all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the har
> driv
> is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, i
> wil
> freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of th
> screen
> I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (usin
> reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any singl
> program
> I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean u
> tem
> files and cashes once a day
> It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of th
> registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleane
> once
> week
> Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender
> I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently
> Any help would be appreciated
> Joh

You don't say what machine or OS you have(32 bit 64 bit service pack?)
From what I see though, my first suggestion would be turn all tha
antivirus stuff off. If you have Vista 32 bit use Sandboxie instead t
run your browser in a sandbox to avoid infections

Use "Everything Search" instead of Windows Search. It does not need t
index your HD contents. It hooks into NTFS jounaling to be updated whe
the file system contents changes

The other thing would be go to a Services Tweak site such as this
'Windows Vista Services Explained
(http://www.speedyvista.com/services.php

Be careful disabling services. If you pick the wrong one your machin
might not boot

Even if you decide you want to run an anti-virus monitor, it's lik
total disaster to run more than one in real-time protection or shiel
mode. Almost no PC will work well with 2 of those interfering wit
every operation

Another thing you can do is turn on boot logging. Google fo
details. It will show what drivers are attempting to load. What slowe
my system down booting was even after I uninstalled the Norton that cam
on the machine, it still tried to boot drivers for it. You have to ge
a removal tool to get all the crap out of the registry(the dedicate
removal tool for the particular software, not a general registr
cleaner.

Last thing is, registry cleaners risk disaster while providing ver
little if any benefit. If you want to optimize your registry, us
NTREGOPT once or twice a month. It doesn't delete any entries. It jus
copies the registry hives to new files and switches to those on nex
boot up. I've been using it across 4 or 5 flavors of Windows from NT
Server to Windows 7. Never had a problem as long as I rebooted when i
gave the prompt

--
MilesAhea

"I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member."
- Groucho Marx

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:38:05 -0700, John
<> wrote:

>
>
>"f/fgeorge" wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 07:35:02 -0700, John
>> <> wrote:
>>
>> >My problem is more than just slow boot. It takes about 2 minutes to boot to
>> >all my startup programs. However, for the next 10 to 15 minuts the hard drive
>> >is running continuously. If I try to run another app., e.g. Outlook, it will
>> >freeze and the "Not Responding" notation appears at the top of the screen.
>> >I've tried to nail down what might be hogging the hard drive (using
>> >reliability and performance monitor) but can't identify any single program.
>> >I have 50 gigs free space, 2 GB RAM. I defrag once a week and clean up temp
>> >files and cashes once a day.
>> >It seems all proposed solutions I've run across lead me to one of the
>> >registry cleanup programs. I run Reg. Clean & Wise Registry Cleaner once a
>> >week.
>> >Real time monitoring by McCafee and Windows Defender.
>> >I have run both AD Aware and Spy Bot frequently.
>> >Any help would be appreciated.
>> >John
>>
>> In addition to what Ken said try leaving the pc on overnight tonite
>> and see how it is in the morning. If it is as fast as it normally is
>> then it is probably all that software doing startup scans. Typically
>> starting up a pc is the slowest point of using a computer. Seems like
>> every anti-spyware, anti-virus, anti-anything wants to run a scan to
>> make sure all is okay. Even software programs do a scan to make sure
>> that you are using the latest version. The best idea is to only turn
>> it on and on once per day or if you can stand the $3.00 per month just
>> leave it on and turn the monitor off. Not the screen saver, push the
>> power button on the monitor. I do this last part everytime I get up
>> from the pc and just turn all that screen-saver stuff off. And no it
>> won't hurt your pc, it is electronic and digital, it is designed to
>> run 24/7. I do Distributed Computing, do a google search, and have
>> pc's that have only been turned off rarely since the day they were
>> first turned on, YEARS in some cases!! They work just fine!
>>
>
>f/fgeorge,
>Thanks for the suggestions. Last night I put the computer to sleep rather
>than shut down. this morning when I woke it up the hard disk ran for about 10
>minutes and I had trouble opening Outlook.
>3 things show up on the Relibility and Performance Monitor.
>searchindexer.exe
>mmc.exe
>mcsvrent.exe
>I have no idea whether any or all of these are causing the problem.
>John

I meant just leave it on, not put to sleep, just leave like when you
are using it 'ON'!

You can safely disable the searchindexer.exe, it is something that
only sorta kinda works to store locations in memory so it can find
them quicker if you need them. Problem is like all caches if it stores
everyhting, the cache has to be sooo big it has to search the cache,
if it is too small it is useless. MS has not sorted this out yet.

mmc.exe is " Microsoft Management Console - this is normal in Windows
2000 and XP, should be located in system32. It is used by several
snap-ins, such as the defrag console, the user management console,
etc."

mcsvrent.exd is for mcafee, leave it alone! But it does look it might
be a part of your problem, it is probably the start-up scanner.