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Larry
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      07-01-2006
Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?
 
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Travis King
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      07-01-2006
Yeah and also the code hasn't been fully optimized yet either. Now if it's
still slow after that, there are no excuses...
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Jason
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      07-01-2006
It is a little slower then I was expecting, but RC1 should be better when it
is released.

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Chad Harris
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      07-01-2006
The clear, confident, connected MSFT is paying developers 4 grand a day to
go after the debug code but if it's "dogcrap slow" than you need to end the
dogcrap processes and services that you con't need to run and get a
competent defragger that isn't the dogcrap defragger that ships with Vista
like Perfect Disk or Diskeeper. I defrag it every couple days with Perfect
Disk and you can tell the difference. It's never been slow for me on the
same box as XP; in fact many things are faster.

LOL. after RTM the refrain will be SP1 will be better.

CH

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jonah
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      07-01-2006
On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:11:13 -0400, "Larry" <>
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>Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?


Yeah and its like watching paint dry if you put office 12 beta in as
well, speeds up noticably with 1Gb + ram though.

Jonah
 
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Chad Harris
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      07-01-2006
Office 12 beta in for months and not slow if you kill services/processes and
defrag often with Perfect Disk or diskeeper. Kick spyware off too.
Remember Defender only gets 60-70% right now at best so use a few spyware
booters at the rope line.

CH

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> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:11:13 -0400, "Larry" <>
> wrote:
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>>Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?

>
> Yeah and its like watching paint dry if you put office 12 beta in as
> well, speeds up noticably with 1Gb + ram though.
>
> Jonah



 
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Colin Barnhorst
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      07-01-2006
Not knowing anything about your computer, who can say?

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375/en-us

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Rick \Nutcase\ Rogers
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      07-02-2006
More likely it is that your hardware is inadequate. While Vista still has a
lot of debug code *and* is not optimized for performance, it still runs
fairly well on decent hardware. Put it on an older machine and you can
expect to be walking, not running.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

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Art
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      07-02-2006
I noticed that the hdd where Vista is installed gets severely fragmented
right after Vista first starts. But the problem is Vista doesn't see its
drive as fragmented. The Disk Defragmenter on Vista diesn't see Vista's files
as fragmented. But when you boot up another hdd with XP and check Vista's
drive for fragmentation, you'll be surpised the whole drive is red and green.
I highly recommend checking Vista's drive for fragmentation using another XP
on another drive. I've seen this 4 times now, as I've re-installed Vista 4
times. After the defrag, Vista will run faster, boot quicker even on Aero
Glass mode, less hard drive activity. I currently use Vista x64 on an 80GB
Maxtor IDE.

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Chad Harris
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      07-02-2006
Art---

Defrag with a real defragger (you won't have one ever shipped with a
Windows OS), and do it 3X per week and more if you're using graphics
intensive apps often. Also make sure that you have enough free space to do
a competent defrag. Perfect Disk says 5%, MSKBs say 15%, Execsoft says more
is better 20-30% in their white papers.

Because of cost, legal considerations some 3rd apps are never going to be
good quality that are shipped with Windows. Defragging is one. Use
www.raxco.com Perfect Disk or use www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper. In XP, the
defragger was a watered down version of Diskeeper made by ExecutiveSoft.
They have a free public beta that will work on Vista anybuild done made yet.

http://www.diskeeper.com/profile/sub...px?a=l&PId=104

I saw; it says 5384 and now you have Vista Beta 2 or Vista 5456.5 "Interim"
aka ("are we there /the TBTs wanna new build no matter the bugs not fixed
in the prior one--kids in adult bodies whining for new builds" just to say
they have the latest whether anything has been done significant since the
last one) it'll work. BTW that phenomenon is called "superficial reverse
Schadenfreude" or the illusion of elitism without the substance to back it
up. It's in the water at Redmond even though 99% of 'em can't spell it.

1) You can use Executive Soft's www.diskeeper.com Diskeeper 10 now as a 30
day full functionality trial available for Vista X86. I have Diskeeper 8.0
with its latest update working fine on Vista and it is much better than the
defragger that Vista or Windows One Care will ship with. Since defragging
is highly important, and not a sexy enough feature for MSFT to ever
emphasize anywhere on their websites or in their promotional material, I
think it's mandatory to get a 3rd party defragger. Let me put it
simply--defragging helps speed your PC significantly if done regularly. I
noticed that in the http://oca.microsoft.com hang errors explanations that
no mention is made of degragmentation and its vaule, but a number of off the
wall causes for hang are mentioned.

2) You can use Perfect Disk www.raxco.com but in order to do it you have to
patch the MSI or the installer with ORCA from the platform SDK.

3) Also if you dual boot XP and Vista, and use Perfect Disk 8.0 and up, you
can
use it to defrag your Vista drive from the XP drive much better than with
the watered down defragger MSFT ships with Vista, and you can do boot
defrags as well. Raxco's perfect disc also requires only 5% of free space
to do an effective defrag. See: www.raxco.com

Either of these two is light years better than anything XP or Vista ships
with and it is important--it's not in the frill category.

Good luck,

CH


"Art" <> wrote in message
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>I noticed that the hdd where Vista is installed gets severely fragmented
> right after Vista first starts. But the problem is Vista doesn't see its
> drive as fragmented. The Disk Defragmenter on Vista diesn't see Vista's
> files
> as fragmented. But when you boot up another hdd with XP and check Vista's
> drive for fragmentation, you'll be surpised the whole drive is red and
> green.
> I highly recommend checking Vista's drive for fragmentation using another
> XP
> on another drive. I've seen this 4 times now, as I've re-installed Vista
> 4
> times. After the defrag, Vista will run faster, boot quicker even on Aero
> Glass mode, less hard drive activity. I currently use Vista x64 on an 80GB
> Maxtor IDE.
>
> "Larry" wrote:
>
>> Is Vista Dog crap slow because it has so much debug code ?



 
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