Sorting of file names in Explorer

The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set -
details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted.
The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a
hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending
alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up?

For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher
in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it?

ft-tj-Caleb.html
ft-tj-Deborah.html
ft-tj-Isaac.html
ft-tj-Jacob1.html
ft-tj-Jacob2.html
ft-tj-Joshua.html
ft-tj-Margaret.html
ft-tj-Peter1.html
ft-tj-Peter2.html
ft-tjsij-John.html
ft-tjsijj-Warren.html
ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html
ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html
ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html
ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html
ft-tjsi-John.html
ft-tjs-Isaac.html
ft-tj-Solomon.html


Thanks,

Bob

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/319827

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"Robert M. Lincoln" <> wrote in message
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> The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set -
> details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted.
> The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a
> hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending
> alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up?
>
> For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher
> in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it?
>
> ft-tj-Caleb.html
> ft-tj-Deborah.html
> ft-tj-Isaac.html
> ft-tj-Jacob1.html
> ft-tj-Jacob2.html
> ft-tj-Joshua.html
> ft-tj-Margaret.html
> ft-tj-Peter1.html
> ft-tj-Peter2.html
> ft-tjsij-John.html
> ft-tjsijj-Warren.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html
> ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html
> ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html
> ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html
> ft-tjsi-John.html
> ft-tjs-Isaac.html
> ft-tj-Solomon.html
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>

"Robert M. Lincoln" <> schreef in bericht
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> The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set -
> details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted.
> The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a
> hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending
> alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up?
>
> For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher
> in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it?
>
> ft-tj-Caleb.html
> ft-tj-Deborah.html
> ft-tj-Isaac.html
> ft-tj-Jacob1.html
> ft-tj-Jacob2.html
> ft-tj-Joshua.html
> ft-tj-Margaret.html
> ft-tj-Peter1.html
> ft-tj-Peter2.html
> ft-tjsij-John.html
> ft-tjsijj-Warren.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html
> ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html
> ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html
> ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html
> ft-tjsi-John.html
> ft-tjs-Isaac.html
> ft-tj-Solomon.html
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>

no, fttjso simply follows fttjsi

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:15:16 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote:

> The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set -
> details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be sorted.
> The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a
> hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending
> alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up?
>
> For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much higher
> in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it?
>
> ft-tj-Caleb.html
> ft-tj-Deborah.html
> ft-tj-Isaac.html
> ft-tj-Jacob1.html
> ft-tj-Jacob2.html
> ft-tj-Joshua.html
> ft-tj-Margaret.html
> ft-tj-Peter1.html
> ft-tj-Peter2.html
> ft-tjsij-John.html
> ft-tjsijj-Warren.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html
> ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html
> ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html
> ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html
> ft-tjsi-John.html
> ft-tjs-Isaac.html
> ft-tj-Solomon.html
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob

I was trying to figure out what Peter W. was saying. It looks like he is
suggesting that the sorting ignores the hyphens.

Geez - do I have to create a directory of such names now to experiment?
Such a pain :-)

Well, I did - it take very long - and I verified that hyphens are ignored.

1. My folder ended up sorted just like your list.

2. When I inserted hyphens *anywhere* in a filename it didn't change its
location in the list. Commas, equal signs, and dots did alter the location.

OK, there might be a setting somewhere to change this, but I have no idea
where.

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On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:40:30 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

> it take very long

it *didn't* take very long :-)

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I think "sometimes" the hyphen is ignored. For example, in my list (part of
which is shown below), if you ignored hyphens, "ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html"
should be the first in the list, as "A" should come before "a". So, it's
not at all predictable.

ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html

I heard from someone that Microsoft, in the "compare strings" routine,
assigns "weights" to some symbols to yield results that are "culturally
expected". I think to avoid confusion, it is just better to avoid hypens in
file names.

Thanks,

Bob Lincoln



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene E. Bloch" <not->
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Sorting of file names in Explorer


> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:15:16 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote:
>
>> The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set -
>> details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be
>> sorted.
>> The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a
>> hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending
>> alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up?
>>
>> For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much
>> higher
>> in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it?
>>
>> ft-tj-Caleb.html
>> ft-tj-Deborah.html
>> ft-tj-Isaac.html
>> ft-tj-Jacob1.html
>> ft-tj-Jacob2.html
>> ft-tj-Joshua.html
>> ft-tj-Margaret.html
>> ft-tj-Peter1.html
>> ft-tj-Peter2.html
>> ft-tjsij-John.html
>> ft-tjsijj-Warren.html
>> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
>> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
>> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
>> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
>> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html
>> ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html
>> ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html
>> ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html
>> ft-tjsi-John.html
>> ft-tjs-Isaac.html
>> ft-tj-Solomon.html
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob
>
> I was trying to figure out what Peter W. was saying. It looks like he is
> suggesting that the sorting ignores the hyphens.
>
> Geez - do I have to create a directory of such names now to experiment?
> Such a pain :-)
>
> Well, I did - it take very long - and I verified that hyphens are ignored.
>
> 1. My folder ended up sorted just like your list.
>
> 2. When I inserted hyphens *anywhere* in a filename it didn't change its
> location in the list. Commas, equal signs, and dots did alter the
> location.
>
> OK, there might be a setting somewhere to change this, but I have no idea
> where.
>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Windows ignores case in sorting filenames. Always has. Still does.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:39:35 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote:

> I think "sometimes" the hyphen is ignored. For example, in my list (part of
> which is shown below), if you ignored hyphens, "ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html"
> should be the first in the list, as "A" should come before "a". So, it's
> not at all predictable.
>
> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html
>
> I heard from someone that Microsoft, in the "compare strings" routine,
> assigns "weights" to some symbols to yield results that are "culturally
> expected". I think to avoid confusion, it is just better to avoid hypens in
> file names.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Lincoln
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene E. Bloch" <not->
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Sorting of file names in Explorer
>
>
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:15:16 -0700, Robert M. Lincoln wrote:
>>
>>> The files I have displayed in the Explorer window (view option set -
>>> details) are not sorted according to how I would expect them to be
>>> sorted.
>>> The list below shows the sorting of the Name field. The ASCII code for a
>>> hyphen is before letters. Why are the filenames not sorted in ascending
>>> alphabetical order? Does the hyphen mess things up?
>>>
>>> For example, the last entry, "ft-tj-Solomon.html" should occur much
>>> higher
>>> in the list, after "ft-tj-Peter2.html". Why doesn't it?
>>>
>>> ft-tj-Caleb.html
>>> ft-tj-Deborah.html
>>> ft-tj-Isaac.html
>>> ft-tj-Jacob1.html
>>> ft-tj-Jacob2.html
>>> ft-tj-Joshua.html
>>> ft-tj-Margaret.html
>>> ft-tj-Peter1.html
>>> ft-tj-Peter2.html
>>> ft-tjsij-John.html
>>> ft-tjsijj-Warren.html
>>> ft-tjsijjwra-Irene.html
>>> ft-tjsijjwr-Allan.html
>>> ft-tjsijjwra-Lola.html
>>> ft-tjsijjwra-Louise.html
>>> ft-tjsijjwra-Robert.html
>>> ft-tjsijjwre-Frankie.html
>>> ft-tjsijjwr-Elery.html
>>> ft-tjsijjw-Robert.html
>>> ft-tjsi-John.html
>>> ft-tjs-Isaac.html
>>> ft-tj-Solomon.html
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> I was trying to figure out what Peter W. was saying. It looks like he is
>> suggesting that the sorting ignores the hyphens.
>>
>> Geez - do I have to create a directory of such names now to experiment?
>> Such a pain :-)
>>
>> Well, I did - it take very long - and I verified that hyphens are ignored.
>>
>> 1. My folder ended up sorted just like your list.
>>
>> 2. When I inserted hyphens *anywhere* in a filename it didn't change its
>> location in the list. Commas, equal signs, and dots did alter the
>> location.
>>
>> OK, there might be a setting somewhere to change this, but I have no idea
>> where.
>>
>> --
>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


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