SP3 & Zone Alarm

I use Zone Alarm free, a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag me. I don't want to
uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
installation?


Lady Dungeness
Out of Danger until September
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:38 -0700, wrote:

> I use Zone Alarm free,

Yuk!

> a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag me.

The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.
Activate and utilize the Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all*
Programs and Services under the Exception tab.
In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:
Seconfig XP 1.0
http://seconfig.sytes.net/
(http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-39707.html)
Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)
OR
Configuring NT-services much more secure.
http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html

> I don't want to uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I
> unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
> installation?

Don't take your chances with ZA!

1.Make an Image backup of the hard drive/Windows Partition before you
install SP3.
2.Test your System Restore to see if it is working correctly.
3. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
virus infections before installing SP3.
4. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.
5. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware; third-party
firewall) before downloading/installing SP3.
6. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
7. Run another Defrag.

Good luck

I'm not sure I understand your point of view.

Plus, your response didn't really answer my question. Which is whether I have to uninstall zone alarm before updating to
SP3, or whether I just need to turn it off.


Lady Dungeness
Out of Danger until September
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:21:53 +0700, Kayman <> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:38 -0700, wrote:
>
>> I use Zone Alarm free,
>
>Yuk!
>
>> a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag me.
>
>The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
>give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
>of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.
>Activate and utilize the Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all*
>Programs and Services under the Exception tab.
>In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:
>Seconfig XP 1.0
>http://seconfig.sytes.net/
>(http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-39707.html)
>Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
>protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
>and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)
>OR
>Configuring NT-services much more secure.
>http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>
>> I don't want to uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I
>> unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
>> installation?
>
>Don't take your chances with ZA!
>
>1.Make an Image backup of the hard drive/Windows Partition before you
>install SP3.
>2.Test your System Restore to see if it is working correctly.
>3. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
>virus infections before installing SP3.
>4. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.
>5. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware; third-party
>firewall) before downloading/installing SP3.
>6. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
>7. Run another Defrag.
>
>Good luck

wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand your point of view.
>
> Plus, your response didn't really answer my question. Which is whether I have to uninstall zone alarm before updating to
> SP3, or whether I just need to turn it off.
>
>
> Lady Dungeness
> Out of Danger until September

I would take it out of MSCONFIG so that it doesn't run when you boot up.
Enable the Windows XP firewall until after the SP3 install when you can
put Zone Alarm back in MSCONFIG. You should also disable any anti
malware programs like Spybot or Spywareblaster. In addition, it's a good
idea to do a clean up and defrag before installing SP3. This is
assuming, of course, that you don't have an HP running an AMD processor.

Alias
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>
>
>
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:21:53 +0700, Kayman <> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:38 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>> I use Zone Alarm free,
>> Yuk!
>>
>>> a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag me.
>> The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
>> give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
>> of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.
>> Activate and utilize the Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all*
>> Programs and Services under the Exception tab.
>> In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:
>> Seconfig XP 1.0
>> http://seconfig.sytes.net/
>> (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-39707.html)
>> Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
>> protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
>> and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)
>> OR
>> Configuring NT-services much more secure.
>> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>>
>>> I don't want to uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I
>>> unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
>>> installation?
>> Don't take your chances with ZA!
>>
>> 1.Make an Image backup of the hard drive/Windows Partition before you
>> install SP3.
>> 2.Test your System Restore to see if it is working correctly.
>> 3. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
>> virus infections before installing SP3.
>> 4. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.
>> 5. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware; third-party
>> firewall) before downloading/installing SP3.
>> 6. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
>> 7. Run another Defrag.
>>
>> Good luck

Tip: You're talking to a brick wall here, Kayman. Save your breath.

Kayman wrote:
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:38 -0700, wrote:
>
>> I use Zone Alarm free,
>
> Yuk!
>
>> a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag
>> me.
>
> The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
> give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
> of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.
> Activate and utilize the Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all*
> Programs and Services under the Exception tab.
> In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:
> Seconfig XP 1.0
> http://seconfig.sytes.net/
> (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-39707.html)
> Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
> protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
> and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)
> OR
> Configuring NT-services much more secure.
> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>
>> I don't want to uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I
>> unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
>> installation?
>
> Don't take your chances with ZA!
>
> 1.Make an Image backup of the hard drive/Windows Partition before you
> install SP3.
> 2.Test your System Restore to see if it is working correctly.
> 3. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
> virus infections before installing SP3.
> 4. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.
> 5. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware;
> third-party
> firewall) before downloading/installing SP3.
> 6. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
> 7. Run another Defrag.
>
> Good luck

I did neither when I installed SP3

<> wrote in message
news:...
> I'm not sure I understand your point of view.
>
> Plus, your response didn't really answer my question. Which is whether I
> have to uninstall zone alarm before updating to
> SP3, or whether I just need to turn it off.
>
>
> Lady Dungeness
> Out of Danger until September
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:21:53 +0700, Kayman
> <> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:38 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>> I use Zone Alarm free,
>>
>>Yuk!
>>
>>> a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag
>>> me.
>>
>>The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
>>give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
>>of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.
>>Activate and utilize the Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all*
>>Programs and Services under the Exception tab.
>>In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:
>>Seconfig XP 1.0
>>http://seconfig.sytes.net/
>>(http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-39707.html)
>>Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
>>protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
>>and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)
>>OR
>>Configuring NT-services much more secure.
>>http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>>
>>> I don't want to uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I
>>> unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
>>> installation?
>>
>>Don't take your chances with ZA!
>>
>>1.Make an Image backup of the hard drive/Windows Partition before you
>>install SP3.
>>2.Test your System Restore to see if it is working correctly.
>>3. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
>>virus infections before installing SP3.
>>4. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.
>>5. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware;
>>third-party
>>firewall) before downloading/installing SP3.
>>6. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
>>7. Run another Defrag.
>>
>>Good luck

wrote:

> Plus, your response didn't really answer my question. Which is whether I have to uninstall zone alarm before updating to
> SP3, or whether I just need to turn it off.

Who knows? The only way to answer that question is to try it.

Personally, I wouldn't take the risk.

Harry.

On Mon, 12 May 2008 09:42:18 -0700, wrote:

> I'm not sure I understand your point of view.

Then re-read again or get somebody to interpret my post.

> Plus, your response didn't really answer my question. Which is whether I have to uninstall zone alarm before updating to
> SP3, or whether I just need to turn it off.
>

a)Even though I'd been warned to save my breath, I feel generous today.
All you questions were answered (HINT:#5)including a well meant advise re
ZA. ZA, *especially* older versions running on a modern OS is not a wise
choice!
It's time you educate yourself and develop a security concept.

b)Detailed information re SP3:

Windows XP Service Pack 3 Overview
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Release Notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...playlang=en&tm

Release notes for Windows XP Service Pack 3
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936929

Installing Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3)
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../cc164204.aspx

Create an Automated System Recovery set using Backup
http://technet2.microsoft.com/window....mspx?mfr=true

How to Set up and Use Automated System Recovery in Windows XP
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb456980.aspx

Recover from a system failure using Automated System Recovery
http://technet2.microsoft.com/window....mspx?mfr=true

c)If you don't like the answers provided here go to:
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...2010&SiteID=17
--
Security is a process not a product.
(Bruce Schneier)

So, PA Bear -- we meet again. You and your sidekick Kayman. How sad.


Lady Dungeness
Out of Danger until September
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 15:03:40 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <> wrote:

>Tip: You're talking to a brick wall here, Kayman. Save your breath.
>
>Kayman wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:38 -0700, wrote:
>>
>>> I use Zone Alarm free,
>>
>> Yuk!
>>
>>> a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag
>>> me.
>>
>> The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
>> give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
>> of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.
>> Activate and utilize the Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all*
>> Programs and Services under the Exception tab.
>> In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:
>> Seconfig XP 1.0
>> http://seconfig.sytes.net/
>> (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-39707.html)
>> Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
>> protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
>> and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)
>> OR
>> Configuring NT-services much more secure.
>> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>>
>>> I don't want to uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I
>>> unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
>>> installation?
>>
>> Don't take your chances with ZA!
>>
>> 1.Make an Image backup of the hard drive/Windows Partition before you
>> install SP3.
>> 2.Test your System Restore to see if it is working correctly.
>> 3. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
>> virus infections before installing SP3.
>> 4. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.
>> 5. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware;
>> third-party
>> firewall) before downloading/installing SP3.
>> 6. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
>> 7. Run another Defrag.
>>
>> Good luck

Hi Alias,

This is very helpful information. I'll do just that! Thank you.


Lady Dungeness
Out of Danger until September
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On Mon, 12 May 2008 18:49:11 +0200, Alias <> wrote:

> wrote:
>> I'm not sure I understand your point of view.
>>
>> Plus, your response didn't really answer my question. Which is whether I have to uninstall zone alarm before updating to
>> SP3, or whether I just need to turn it off.
>>
>>
>> Lady Dungeness
>> Out of Danger until September
>
>I would take it out of MSCONFIG so that it doesn't run when you boot up.
>Enable the Windows XP firewall until after the SP3 install when you can
>put Zone Alarm back in MSCONFIG. You should also disable any anti
>malware programs like Spybot or Spywareblaster. In addition, it's a good
>idea to do a clean up and defrag before installing SP3. This is
>assuming, of course, that you don't have an HP running an AMD processor.
>
>Alias
>> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 17:21:53 +0700, Kayman <> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:38 -0700, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I use Zone Alarm free,
>>> Yuk!
>>>
>>>> a little bit older version that I like very much because it does not nag me.
>>> The windows firewall deals with inbound protection and therefore does not
>>> give you a false sense of security. Best of all, it doesn't implement lots
>>> of nonsense like pretending that outbound traffic needs to be monitored.
>>> Activate and utilize the Win XP SP2 built-in Firewall; Uncheck *all*
>>> Programs and Services under the Exception tab.
>>> In conjunction with WinXP SP2 Firewall use:
>>> Seconfig XP 1.0
>>> http://seconfig.sytes.net/
>>> (http://www.softpedia.com/progDownloa...oad-39707.html)
>>> Seconfig XP is able configure Windows not to use TCP/IP as transport
>>> protocol for NetBIOS, SMB and RPC, thus leaving TCP/UDP ports 135, 137-139
>>> and 445 (the most exploited Windows networking weak point) closed.)
>>> OR
>>> Configuring NT-services much more secure.
>>> http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html
>>>
>>>> I don't want to uninstall it before applying SP3. Is it enough if I
>>>> unload it? Or are there Services that will interfere with SP3's
>>>> installation?
>>> Don't take your chances with ZA!
>>>
>>> 1.Make an Image backup of the hard drive/Windows Partition before you
>>> install SP3.
>>> 2.Test your System Restore to see if it is working correctly.
>>> 3. Make absolutely sure the machine's free of any hijackware, Trojan, or
>>> virus infections before installing SP3.
>>> 4. Run Disk Cleanup then run a Defrag session before installing SP3.
>>> 5. Disable all real-time protections (anti-virus; anti-spyware; third-party
>>> firewall) before downloading/installing SP3.
>>> 6. Reboot twice after installing SP3.
>>> 7. Run another Defrag.
>>>
>>> Good luck