Startup - general discussion

Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore prior time
period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug ins...(done). I saw
an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug in a
device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from starting
Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems with some
basic guidance....any ideas...
thanks much!!
--
JM

Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power button
on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How fast they
disappear?


"monyhony" <> wrote in message
news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
> Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore prior
> time
> period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug ins...(done). I
> saw
> an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug in a
> device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from
> starting
> Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems with
> some
> basic guidance....any ideas...
> thanks much!!
> --
> JM

I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I start
computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have tried both.
If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across the
bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start in safe
mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15 minutes to go
thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that would be
helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process starts
over again..

By the way, thanks for your help..
--
JM


"AlexB" wrote:

> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power button
> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How fast they
> disappear?
>
>
> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore prior
> > time
> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug ins...(done). I
> > saw
> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug in a
> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from
> > starting
> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems with
> > some
> > basic guidance....any ideas...
> > thanks much!!
> > --
> > JM
>
>

You still stubbornly refuse to reveal if this is a desktop or laptop.

OK, it is a bit better, at least you've made some progress.

Safe mode ****IS SLOW****. Just accept this fact. You repair computers in
safe mode not work on them.

When you get into the safe mode, open up the event viewer and post here a
few top messages which are marked as "Error."

Also you should delouse your machine. I am giving you a set of instructions
I wrote for myself. Do is in safe mode. It will take time. Don't set time
limits. it is limitless.

My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.

Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1 for
Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.

<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=F32921AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>

It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes, you
should consider them.
Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.

Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool (KB890830). It
will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may give you
a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan your
entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot of
stuff in it.

<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad724ae0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>

Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
<http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove specific,
prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows Vista,
Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830

You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
<http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a button:
"Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.

Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of software
which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be asked
for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every week you
will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You should
check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them. Many of
them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB S&D.

http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html

It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go to a
website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D will
either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill it and
give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.

Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning

<http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>

Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh exception
SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.

The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
The slow death of AV technology:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
Vista did it in.
Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous trolls
that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D do not
clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT in
full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that match
known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so long
to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it has a
representation in the registry.

The only way to remove a particular piece of malware is to CLEAN the
registry off of this key.
SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that match
its database of malicious software.

After all culprits are found the user is asked if he/she want to remove the
malicious software. If you say OK, then the registry IS CLEANED of this set
of malicious execs. The execs themselves are killed in the respective
folders.

In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
"housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is NOT
recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.





"monyhony" <> wrote in message
news:AE68643D-7B1F-48FB-91C7-...
> I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I start
> computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have tried
> both.
> If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across the
> bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start in safe
> mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15 minutes to
> go
> thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that would be
> helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process starts
> over again..
>
> By the way, thanks for your help..
> --
> JM
>
>
> "AlexB" wrote:
>
>> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power
>> button
>> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How fast
>> they
>> disappear?
>>
>>
>> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
>> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore prior
>> > time
>> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug ins...(done).
>> > I
>> > saw
>> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug in
>> > a
>> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from
>> > starting
>> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems with
>> > some
>> > basic guidance....any ideas...
>> > thanks much!!
>> > --
>> > JM
>>
>>

sorry, desktop...will try tomorrow to get any error messages to
post..computer at another household. Thanks for the feedback...we'll see
where it takes me. Safe mode doesn't actually get Vista to open. Just goes
to Startup repair and that keeps failing. After that runs, I get a message
that says it couldn't be repaired. I just keep chasing my tail. I'll try to
get an error message to post. We can't go much further until I provide more
details! Thanks..
--
JM


"AlexB" wrote:

> You still stubbornly refuse to reveal if this is a desktop or laptop.
>
> OK, it is a bit better, at least you've made some progress.
>
> Safe mode ****IS SLOW****. Just accept this fact. You repair computers in
> safe mode not work on them.
>
> When you get into the safe mode, open up the event viewer and post here a
> few top messages which are marked as "Error."
>
> Also you should delouse your machine. I am giving you a set of instructions
> I wrote for myself. Do is in safe mode. It will take time. Don't set time
> limits. it is limitless.
>
> My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
> Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
> writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.
>
> Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1 for
> Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=F32921AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>
>
> It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
> settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes, you
> should consider them.
> Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.
>
> Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool (KB890830). It
> will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may give you
> a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan your
> entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot of
> stuff in it.
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad724ae0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>
>
> Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
> <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
> The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove specific,
> prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows Vista,
> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830
>
> You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
> <http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
> and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a button:
> "Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.
>
> Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of software
> which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be asked
> for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every week you
> will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You should
> check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
> leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them. Many of
> them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
> Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB S&D.
>
> http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
>
> It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go to a
> website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D will
> either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill it and
> give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.
>
> Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>
>
> Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh exception
> SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.
>
> The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
> The slow death of AV technology:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
> Vista did it in.
> Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous trolls
> that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D do not
> clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT in
> full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that match
> known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so long
> to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it has a
> representation in the registry.
>
> The only way to remove a particular piece of malware is to CLEAN the
> registry off of this key.
> SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that match
> its database of malicious software.
>
> After all culprits are found the user is asked if he/she want to remove the
> malicious software. If you say OK, then the registry IS CLEANED of this set
> of malicious execs. The execs themselves are killed in the respective
> folders.
>
> In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
> "housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is NOT
> recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> news:AE68643D-7B1F-48FB-91C7-...
> > I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I start
> > computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have tried
> > both.
> > If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across the
> > bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start in safe
> > mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15 minutes to
> > go
> > thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that would be
> > helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process starts
> > over again..
> >
> > By the way, thanks for your help..
> > --
> > JM
> >
> >
> > "AlexB" wrote:
> >
> >> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power
> >> button
> >> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How fast
> >> they
> >> disappear?
> >>
> >>
> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> >> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
> >> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore prior
> >> > time
> >> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug ins...(done).
> >> > I
> >> > saw
> >> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug in
> >> > a
> >> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from
> >> > starting
> >> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems with
> >> > some
> >> > basic guidance....any ideas...
> >> > thanks much!!
> >> > --
> >> > JM
> >>
> >>
>
>

To get into SAFE MODE under ANY circumstances:

This is the option of the last resort as it comes to salvaging your data and
OS.

Turn the machine off, turn it back on and IMMEDIATELY press two keys: CTRL +
F6. If you hear a distress series of beeps (around 5/sec) keep pressing for
about 1 min. After that release F6 but keep pressing Ctrl for a while.

At this point the MS Windows Boot Console should appear and offer you
choices. Choose Boot in Safe Mode With Internet.

Now, that combination Ctrl+F6 is maker specific. It worked for my DELL
towers. Other manufacturers reportedly have other "secret" codes.

You may try Alt, Del, PgUp, PgDn instead of Ctrl. Also F6 is not cast in
concrete. You may try other function keys. Some machine may require only one
key to be pressed. Every machine MUST have a code like this. It took me
about 10 min to find mine.


"monyhony" <> wrote in message
news3459B09-D030-40F8-9FBD-...
> sorry, desktop...will try tomorrow to get any error messages to
> post..computer at another household. Thanks for the feedback...we'll see
> where it takes me. Safe mode doesn't actually get Vista to open. Just
> goes
> to Startup repair and that keeps failing. After that runs, I get a
> message
> that says it couldn't be repaired. I just keep chasing my tail. I'll try
> to
> get an error message to post. We can't go much further until I provide
> more
> details! Thanks..
> --
> JM
>
>
> "AlexB" wrote:
>
>> You still stubbornly refuse to reveal if this is a desktop or laptop.
>>
>> OK, it is a bit better, at least you've made some progress.
>>
>> Safe mode ****IS SLOW****. Just accept this fact. You repair computers in
>> safe mode not work on them.
>>
>> When you get into the safe mode, open up the event viewer and post here a
>> few top messages which are marked as "Error."
>>
>> Also you should delouse your machine. I am giving you a set of
>> instructions
>> I wrote for myself. Do is in safe mode. It will take time. Don't set time
>> limits. it is limitless.
>>
>> My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
>> Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
>> writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.
>>
>> Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1 for
>> Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.
>>
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=F32921AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>
>>
>> It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
>> settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes, you
>> should consider them.
>> Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.
>>
>> Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool (KB890830).
>> It
>> will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may give
>> you
>> a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan your
>> entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot of
>> stuff in it.
>>
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad724ae0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>
>>
>> Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
>> The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove
>> specific,
>> prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows
>> Vista,
>> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830
>>
>> You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
>> <http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
>> and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a button:
>> "Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.
>>
>> Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of software
>> which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be asked
>> for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every week
>> you
>> will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You should
>> check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
>> leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them. Many
>> of
>> them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
>> Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB
>> S&D.
>>
>> http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
>>
>> It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go to
>> a
>> website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D will
>> either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill it
>> and
>> give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.
>>
>> Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning
>>
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>
>>
>> Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh
>> exception
>> SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.
>>
>> The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
>> The slow death of AV technology:
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
>> Vista did it in.
>> Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous trolls
>> that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D do
>> not
>> clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT in
>> full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that match
>> known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so
>> long
>> to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it has
>> a
>> representation in the registry.
>>
>> The only way to remove a particular piece of malware is to CLEAN the
>> registry off of this key.
>> SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that
>> match
>> its database of malicious software.
>>
>> After all culprits are found the user is asked if he/she want to remove
>> the
>> malicious software. If you say OK, then the registry IS CLEANED of this
>> set
>> of malicious execs. The execs themselves are killed in the respective
>> folders.
>>
>> In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
>> "housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is NOT
>> recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> news:AE68643D-7B1F-48FB-91C7-...
>> > I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I start
>> > computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have tried
>> > both.
>> > If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across the
>> > bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start in
>> > safe
>> > mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15 minutes
>> > to
>> > go
>> > thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that would
>> > be
>> > helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process
>> > starts
>> > over again..
>> >
>> > By the way, thanks for your help..
>> > --
>> > JM
>> >
>> >
>> > "AlexB" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power
>> >> button
>> >> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How
>> >> fast
>> >> they
>> >> disappear?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
>> >> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore
>> >> > prior
>> >> > time
>> >> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug
>> >> > ins...(done).
>> >> > I
>> >> > saw
>> >> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug
>> >> > in
>> >> > a
>> >> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from
>> >> > starting
>> >> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems
>> >> > with
>> >> > some
>> >> > basic guidance....any ideas...
>> >> > thanks much!!
>> >> > --
>> >> > JM
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

You never asked him what it was: desktop or laptop, you lying idiot!!!

"AlexB" wrote:

> You still stubbornly refuse to reveal if this is a desktop or laptop.
>
> OK, it is a bit better, at least you've made some progress.
>
> Safe mode ****IS SLOW****. Just accept this fact. You repair computers in
> safe mode not work on them.
>
> When you get into the safe mode, open up the event viewer and post here a
> few top messages which are marked as "Error."
>
> Also you should delouse your machine. I am giving you a set of instructions
> I wrote for myself. Do is in safe mode. It will take time. Don't set time
> limits. it is limitless.
>
> My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
> Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
> writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.
>
> Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1 for
> Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=F32921AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>
>
> It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
> settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes, you
> should consider them.
> Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.
>
> Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool (KB890830). It
> will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may give you
> a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan your
> entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot of
> stuff in it.
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad724ae0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>
>
> Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
> <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
> The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove specific,
> prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows Vista,
> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830
>
> You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
> <http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
> and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a button:
> "Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.
>
> Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of software
> which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be asked
> for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every week you
> will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You should
> check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
> leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them. Many of
> them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
> Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB S&D.
>
> http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
>
> It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go to a
> website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D will
> either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill it and
> give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.
>
> Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>
>
> Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh exception
> SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.
>
> The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
> The slow death of AV technology:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
> Vista did it in.
> Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous trolls
> that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D do not
> clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT in
> full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that match
> known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so long
> to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it has a
> representation in the registry.
>
> The only way to remove a particular piece of malware is to CLEAN the
> registry off of this key.
> SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that match
> its database of malicious software.
>
> After all culprits are found the user is asked if he/she want to remove the
> malicious software. If you say OK, then the registry IS CLEANED of this set
> of malicious execs. The execs themselves are killed in the respective
> folders.
>
> In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
> "housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is NOT
> recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> news:AE68643D-7B1F-48FB-91C7-...
> > I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I start
> > computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have tried
> > both.
> > If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across the
> > bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start in safe
> > mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15 minutes to
> > go
> > thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that would be
> > helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process starts
> > over again..
> >
> > By the way, thanks for your help..
> > --
> > JM
> >
> >
> > "AlexB" wrote:
> >
> >> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power
> >> button
> >> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How fast
> >> they
> >> disappear?
> >>
> >>
> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> >> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
> >> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore prior
> >> > time
> >> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug ins...(done).
> >> > I
> >> > saw
> >> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug in
> >> > a
> >> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from
> >> > starting
> >> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems with
> >> > some
> >> > basic guidance....any ideas...
> >> > thanks much!!
> >> > --
> >> > JM
> >>
> >>
>
>

Safe mode is NOT the last resort to salvage your Data

And you DON'T even know how to get into it.

You are a nutter!!

False, misleading and damaging information is being supplied by you in this
Newsgroup.
Let's take the matter further now!

"AlexB" wrote:

> To get into SAFE MODE under ANY circumstances:
>
> This is the option of the last resort as it comes to salvaging your data and
> OS.
>
> Turn the machine off, turn it back on and IMMEDIATELY press two keys: CTRL +
> F6. If you hear a distress series of beeps (around 5/sec) keep pressing for
> about 1 min. After that release F6 but keep pressing Ctrl for a while.
>
> At this point the MS Windows Boot Console should appear and offer you
> choices. Choose Boot in Safe Mode With Internet.
>
> Now, that combination Ctrl+F6 is maker specific. It worked for my DELL
> towers. Other manufacturers reportedly have other "secret" codes.
>
> You may try Alt, Del, PgUp, PgDn instead of Ctrl. Also F6 is not cast in
> concrete. You may try other function keys. Some machine may require only one
> key to be pressed. Every machine MUST have a code like this. It took me
> about 10 min to find mine.
>
>
> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> news3459B09-D030-40F8-9FBD-...
> > sorry, desktop...will try tomorrow to get any error messages to
> > post..computer at another household. Thanks for the feedback...we'll see
> > where it takes me. Safe mode doesn't actually get Vista to open. Just
> > goes
> > to Startup repair and that keeps failing. After that runs, I get a
> > message
> > that says it couldn't be repaired. I just keep chasing my tail. I'll try
> > to
> > get an error message to post. We can't go much further until I provide
> > more
> > details! Thanks..
> > --
> > JM
> >
> >
> > "AlexB" wrote:
> >
> >> You still stubbornly refuse to reveal if this is a desktop or laptop.
> >>
> >> OK, it is a bit better, at least you've made some progress.
> >>
> >> Safe mode ****IS SLOW****. Just accept this fact. You repair computers in
> >> safe mode not work on them.
> >>
> >> When you get into the safe mode, open up the event viewer and post here a
> >> few top messages which are marked as "Error."
> >>
> >> Also you should delouse your machine. I am giving you a set of
> >> instructions
> >> I wrote for myself. Do is in safe mode. It will take time. Don't set time
> >> limits. it is limitless.
> >>
> >> My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
> >> Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
> >> writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.
> >>
> >> Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1 for
> >> Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.
> >>
> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=F32921AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>
> >>
> >> It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
> >> settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes, you
> >> should consider them.
> >> Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.
> >>
> >> Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool (KB890830).
> >> It
> >> will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may give
> >> you
> >> a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan your
> >> entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot of
> >> stuff in it.
> >>
> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad724ae0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>
> >>
> >> Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
> >> The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove
> >> specific,
> >> prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows
> >> Vista,
> >> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830
> >>
> >> You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
> >> <http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
> >> and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a button:
> >> "Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.
> >>
> >> Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of software
> >> which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be asked
> >> for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every week
> >> you
> >> will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You should
> >> check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
> >> leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them. Many
> >> of
> >> them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
> >> Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB
> >> S&D.
> >>
> >> http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
> >>
> >> It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go to
> >> a
> >> website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D will
> >> either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill it
> >> and
> >> give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.
> >>
> >> Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning
> >>
> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>
> >>
> >> Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh
> >> exception
> >> SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.
> >>
> >> The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
> >> The slow death of AV technology:
> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
> >> Vista did it in.
> >> Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous trolls
> >> that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D do
> >> not
> >> clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT in
> >> full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that match
> >> known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so
> >> long
> >> to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it has
> >> a
> >> representation in the registry.
> >>
> >> The only way to remove a particular piece of malware is to CLEAN the
> >> registry off of this key.
> >> SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that
> >> match
> >> its database of malicious software.
> >>
> >> After all culprits are found the user is asked if he/she want to remove
> >> the
> >> malicious software. If you say OK, then the registry IS CLEANED of this
> >> set
> >> of malicious execs. The execs themselves are killed in the respective
> >> folders.
> >>
> >> In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
> >> "housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is NOT
> >> recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> >> news:AE68643D-7B1F-48FB-91C7-...
> >> > I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I start
> >> > computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have tried
> >> > both.
> >> > If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across the
> >> > bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start in
> >> > safe
> >> > mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15 minutes
> >> > to
> >> > go
> >> > thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that would
> >> > be
> >> > helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process
> >> > starts
> >> > over again..
> >> >
> >> > By the way, thanks for your help..
> >> > --
> >> > JM
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "AlexB" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power
> >> >> button
> >> >> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How
> >> >> fast
> >> >> they
> >> >> disappear?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
> >> >> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore
> >> >> > prior
> >> >> > time
> >> >> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug
> >> >> > ins...(done).
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > saw
> >> >> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to plug
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you from
> >> >> > starting
> >> >> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems
> >> >> > with
> >> >> > some
> >> >> > basic guidance....any ideas...
> >> >> > thanks much!!
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > JM
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Unfortunately it appears we need a moderator just to follow this guy and
immediately follow up on every post he makes with a WARNING.

--
All the best,
SG


"Mick Murphy" <> wrote in message
news:016CF71D-BBB0-4F96-BCF2-...
> Safe mode is NOT the last resort to salvage your Data
>
> And you DON'T even know how to get into it.
>
> You are a nutter!!
>
> False, misleading and damaging information is being supplied by you in
> this
> Newsgroup.
> Let's take the matter further now!
>
> "AlexB" wrote:
>
>> To get into SAFE MODE under ANY circumstances:
>>
>> This is the option of the last resort as it comes to salvaging your data
>> and
>> OS.
>>
>> Turn the machine off, turn it back on and IMMEDIATELY press two keys:
>> CTRL +
>> F6. If you hear a distress series of beeps (around 5/sec) keep pressing
>> for
>> about 1 min. After that release F6 but keep pressing Ctrl for a while.
>>
>> At this point the MS Windows Boot Console should appear and offer you
>> choices. Choose Boot in Safe Mode With Internet.
>>
>> Now, that combination Ctrl+F6 is maker specific. It worked for my DELL
>> towers. Other manufacturers reportedly have other "secret" codes.
>>
>> You may try Alt, Del, PgUp, PgDn instead of Ctrl. Also F6 is not cast in
>> concrete. You may try other function keys. Some machine may require only
>> one
>> key to be pressed. Every machine MUST have a code like this. It took me
>> about 10 min to find mine.
>>
>>
>> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> news3459B09-D030-40F8-9FBD-...
>> > sorry, desktop...will try tomorrow to get any error messages to
>> > post..computer at another household. Thanks for the feedback...we'll
>> > see
>> > where it takes me. Safe mode doesn't actually get Vista to open. Just
>> > goes
>> > to Startup repair and that keeps failing. After that runs, I get a
>> > message
>> > that says it couldn't be repaired. I just keep chasing my tail. I'll
>> > try
>> > to
>> > get an error message to post. We can't go much further until I provide
>> > more
>> > details! Thanks..
>> > --
>> > JM
>> >
>> >
>> > "AlexB" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You still stubbornly refuse to reveal if this is a desktop or laptop.
>> >>
>> >> OK, it is a bit better, at least you've made some progress.
>> >>
>> >> Safe mode ****IS SLOW****. Just accept this fact. You repair computers
>> >> in
>> >> safe mode not work on them.
>> >>
>> >> When you get into the safe mode, open up the event viewer and post
>> >> here a
>> >> few top messages which are marked as "Error."
>> >>
>> >> Also you should delouse your machine. I am giving you a set of
>> >> instructions
>> >> I wrote for myself. Do is in safe mode. It will take time. Don't set
>> >> time
>> >> limits. it is limitless.
>> >>
>> >> My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
>> >> Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
>> >> writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.
>> >>
>> >> Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1
>> >> for
>> >> Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=F32921AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>
>> >>
>> >> It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
>> >> settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes,
>> >> you
>> >> should consider them.
>> >> Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.
>> >>
>> >> Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> (KB890830).
>> >> It
>> >> will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may
>> >> give
>> >> you
>> >> a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan
>> >> your
>> >> entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot
>> >> of
>> >> stuff in it.
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad724ae0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>
>> >>
>> >> Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
>> >> The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove
>> >> specific,
>> >> prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows
>> >> Vista,
>> >> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830
>> >>
>> >> You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
>> >> <http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
>> >> and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a
>> >> button:
>> >> "Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.
>> >>
>> >> Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of
>> >> software
>> >> which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be
>> >> asked
>> >> for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every
>> >> week
>> >> you
>> >> will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You
>> >> should
>> >> check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
>> >> leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them.
>> >> Many
>> >> of
>> >> them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
>> >> Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB
>> >> S&D.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
>> >>
>> >> It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go
>> >> to
>> >> a
>> >> website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D
>> >> will
>> >> either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill
>> >> it
>> >> and
>> >> give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.
>> >>
>> >> Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>
>> >>
>> >> Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh
>> >> exception
>> >> SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.
>> >>
>> >> The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
>> >> The slow death of AV technology:
>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
>> >> Vista did it in.
>> >> Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous
>> >> trolls
>> >> that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D
>> >> do
>> >> not
>> >> clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT
>> >> in
>> >> full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that
>> >> match
>> >> known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so
>> >> long
>> >> to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it
>> >> has
>> >> a
>> >> representation in the registry.
>> >>
>> >> The only way to remove a particular piece of malware is to CLEAN the
>> >> registry off of this key.
>> >> SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that
>> >> match
>> >> its database of malicious software.
>> >>
>> >> After all culprits are found the user is asked if he/she want to
>> >> remove
>> >> the
>> >> malicious software. If you say OK, then the registry IS CLEANED of
>> >> this
>> >> set
>> >> of malicious execs. The execs themselves are killed in the respective
>> >> folders.
>> >>
>> >> In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
>> >> "housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is
>> >> NOT
>> >> recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:AE68643D-7B1F-48FB-91C7-...
>> >> > I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I
>> >> > start
>> >> > computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have
>> >> > tried
>> >> > both.
>> >> > If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across
>> >> > the
>> >> > bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start
>> >> > in
>> >> > safe
>> >> > mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15
>> >> > minutes
>> >> > to
>> >> > go
>> >> > thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that
>> >> > would
>> >> > be
>> >> > helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process
>> >> > starts
>> >> > over again..
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, thanks for your help..
>> >> > --
>> >> > JM
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "AlexB" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power
>> >> >> button
>> >> >> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How
>> >> >> fast
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> disappear?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
>> >> >> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore
>> >> >> > prior
>> >> >> > time
>> >> >> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug
>> >> >> > ins...(done).
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > saw
>> >> >> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to
>> >> >> > plug
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > starting
>> >> >> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > some
>> >> >> > basic guidance....any ideas...
>> >> >> > thanks much!!
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > JM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

> Let's take the matter further now!

Let's take if further now, you, affirmative action genius. Let's take it!

I have asked you many times to provide a counter point to my allegedly
"MISLEADING" recommendations. You, idiot with IQ of 85 could never come up
with anything specific. All you do is to go around and sh*it.

You also threatened to finish with me. You said: "You are finished." I am
wondering what kind of steps you have taken to accomplish it? Have you hired
a contract killer or you are planning to do it yourself? I am wondering how
you would go about finding an accomplice. Are you planning to put an ad in
The New York Times: "Looking for a resolute person to finish off my nemesis
AlexB. Payment commensurate with experience." Something like this?

Or you can do it easier on the web now. Perhaps there are newsgroups that
crooks like you congregate. Or another option: you can pass a word around
among your former fellow inmates, I mean those who are not in the slammer on
a long-term contractual arrangement with a Federal Penitentiary.

You are an idiot, you are the inner part of every pair of pants in your fat
neighborhood, mo*ther*fu*cker of every spunky de monkey in Africa, India and
the United States, as*shole of universal proportion, behemoth of crazy
ambitions, sexual pervert, unregistered child molester, your mother's worst
nightmare during her pregnancy, a victim of unsuccessful illegal abortion,
an alien, perhaps a double alien, spoofy creator of most of the span in this
newsgroup, a piece of crap on a broken paper plate, a hamburger used twice,
a double cross imposter of himself, total nuisance of suffering mankind, a
major obstacle for the development of new version of Windows, killer of baby
frogs across Central America, major source of methane for greenhouse gases.

SCUM, SCUM, SCUM <=== Mick Murphy aka MICHAEL

This is what I think about you, and I am sure most of the other folks
around here.

"Mick Murphy" <> wrote in message
news:016CF71D-BBB0-4F96-BCF2-...
> Safe mode is NOT the last resort to salvage your Data
>
> And you DON'T even know how to get into it.
>
> You are a nutter!!
>
> False, misleading and damaging information is being supplied by you in
> this
> Newsgroup.
> Let's take the matter further now!
>
> "AlexB" wrote:
>
>> To get into SAFE MODE under ANY circumstances:
>>
>> This is the option of the last resort as it comes to salvaging your data
>> and
>> OS.
>>
>> Turn the machine off, turn it back on and IMMEDIATELY press two keys:
>> CTRL +
>> F6. If you hear a distress series of beeps (around 5/sec) keep pressing
>> for
>> about 1 min. After that release F6 but keep pressing Ctrl for a while.
>>
>> At this point the MS Windows Boot Console should appear and offer you
>> choices. Choose Boot in Safe Mode With Internet.
>>
>> Now, that combination Ctrl+F6 is maker specific. It worked for my DELL
>> towers. Other manufacturers reportedly have other "secret" codes.
>>
>> You may try Alt, Del, PgUp, PgDn instead of Ctrl. Also F6 is not cast in
>> concrete. You may try other function keys. Some machine may require only
>> one
>> key to be pressed. Every machine MUST have a code like this. It took me
>> about 10 min to find mine.
>>
>>
>> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> news3459B09-D030-40F8-9FBD-...
>> > sorry, desktop...will try tomorrow to get any error messages to
>> > post..computer at another household. Thanks for the feedback...we'll
>> > see
>> > where it takes me. Safe mode doesn't actually get Vista to open. Just
>> > goes
>> > to Startup repair and that keeps failing. After that runs, I get a
>> > message
>> > that says it couldn't be repaired. I just keep chasing my tail. I'll
>> > try
>> > to
>> > get an error message to post. We can't go much further until I provide
>> > more
>> > details! Thanks..
>> > --
>> > JM
>> >
>> >
>> > "AlexB" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You still stubbornly refuse to reveal if this is a desktop or laptop.
>> >>
>> >> OK, it is a bit better, at least you've made some progress.
>> >>
>> >> Safe mode ****IS SLOW****. Just accept this fact. You repair computers
>> >> in
>> >> safe mode not work on them.
>> >>
>> >> When you get into the safe mode, open up the event viewer and post
>> >> here a
>> >> few top messages which are marked as "Error."
>> >>
>> >> Also you should delouse your machine. I am giving you a set of
>> >> instructions
>> >> I wrote for myself. Do is in safe mode. It will take time. Don't set
>> >> time
>> >> limits. it is limitless.
>> >>
>> >> My policy is not to use any 3-rd party anti-malware except Spybot S&D.
>> >> Windows Vista offers sufficient protection against malicious software
>> >> writers some of them I am sure watch this forum very carefully.
>> >>
>> >> Download Microsoft Windows Baseline Security Analyzer. It is Beta 2.1
>> >> for
>> >> Vista and I think it is safe to download. Run it.
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=F32921AF-9DBE-4DCE-889E-ECF997EB18E9&displaylang=en>
>> >>
>> >> It will give you all your vulnerabilities, especially in your firewall
>> >> settings. You should read the report and if it suggests any changes,
>> >> you
>> >> should consider them.
>> >> Your Windows firewall setting will be analyzed.
>> >>
>> >> Download Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> (KB890830).
>> >> It
>> >> will want to run upon install. Choose the FULL scan although it may
>> >> give
>> >> you
>> >> a threatening message that it might take a few hours. It will scan
>> >> your
>> >> entire computer in about half an hour or less if you do not have a lot
>> >> of
>> >> stuff in it.
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=ad724ae0-e72d-4f54-9ab3-75b8eb148356&displaylang=en>
>> >>
>> >> Some reassuring information: Malicious Software Removal Tool
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx>
>> >> The Microsoft Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool helps remove
>> >> specific,
>> >> prevalent malicious software from computers that are running Windows
>> >> Vista,
>> >> Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, or Windows 2000
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830
>> >>
>> >> You can also go to Protection Center (Microsoft)
>> >> <http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/center/howsafe.htm?s_cid=mscom_msrt>
>> >> and click "Protection Scan." There will be a dropdown menu and a
>> >> button:
>> >> "Launch Full Scan or Vista." You can do it if you wish.
>> >>
>> >> Download and install Spybot Search & Destroy, a great piece of
>> >> software
>> >> which is free for individuals but corporations pay fees. You may be
>> >> asked
>> >> for donations but it is up to you. It is very up to date and every
>> >> week
>> >> you
>> >> will have to download new updates, sometimes even more often. You
>> >> should
>> >> check for updates every time you run it. It will give you all su*kers
>> >> leached into your registry and ask you if you wanted to remove them.
>> >> Many
>> >> of
>> >> them have masqueraded themselves under MS Windows names like
>> >> Windows.something. Do not hesitate to kill them all. You can trust SB
>> >> S&D.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html
>> >>
>> >> It also allows you to IMMUNIZE your system. It means that when you go
>> >> to
>> >> a
>> >> website and they try to download some kind of a Trojan to you SB S&D
>> >> will
>> >> either kill it silently, or ask you if you want to do it or will kill
>> >> it
>> >> and
>> >> give you a notice. It is better to let it kill them all in silence.
>> >>
>> >> Listen to Mark Russinovich's (MS) webcast: Advanced Malware Cleaning
>> >>
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/emea/spotlight/sessionh.aspx?videoid=359>
>> >>
>> >> Downloading any 3-rd party "free" anti-spyware program (with teh
>> >> exception
>> >> SB S&D) is an invitation for a disaster.
>> >>
>> >> The AV (antivirus industry) is on the way to the cemetery:
>> >> The slow death of AV technology:
>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/death_of_av/
>> >> Vista did it in.
>> >> Last note: it has been suggested around here by some unscrupulous
>> >> trolls
>> >> that the Microsoft Malicious Software Removal Tool (MSRT) and SB S&D
>> >> do
>> >> not
>> >> clean the registry. MSRT and SB S&D work on different principles. MSRT
>> >> in
>> >> full mode reads RAM memory and detects patterns in the files that
>> >> match
>> >> known viruses and other malware configuraions. This is why it takes so
>> >> long
>> >> to run. If malicious code is detected it is also quite likely that it
>> >> has
>> >> a
>> >> representation in the registry.
>> >>
>> >> The only way to remove a particular piece of malware is to CLEAN the
>> >> registry off of this key.
>> >> SB S&D works by going thru the registry and locating known names that
>> >> match
>> >> its database of malicious software.
>> >>
>> >> After all culprits are found the user is asked if he/she want to
>> >> remove
>> >> the
>> >> malicious software. If you say OK, then the registry IS CLEANED of
>> >> this
>> >> set
>> >> of malicious execs. The execs themselves are killed in the respective
>> >> folders.
>> >>
>> >> In this sense both tools do CLEAN the registry. They do not do any
>> >> "housekeeping" which is absolutely superfluous and unnecessary. It is
>> >> NOT
>> >> recommended by MS and most of the experienced users as well.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:AE68643D-7B1F-48FB-91C7-...
>> >> > I'll have to go from memory. At someone elses computer...When I
>> >> > start
>> >> > computer, I get a choice to start in safe mode or normal. Have
>> >> > tried
>> >> > both.
>> >> > If I start in normal, I get to the point where the color bar across
>> >> > the
>> >> > bottom scrolls across and then the computer shuts off. If I start
>> >> > in
>> >> > safe
>> >> > mode, I go to the Startup repair mode and that takes about 15
>> >> > minutes
>> >> > to
>> >> > go
>> >> > thru. When complete, it gives me an error message (guess that
>> >> > would
>> >> > be
>> >> > helpful). Anyway, when I restart (as directed), the entire process
>> >> > starts
>> >> > over again..
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, thanks for your help..
>> >> > --
>> >> > JM
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "AlexB" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Could you be more specific. What do you see when you turn the power
>> >> >> button
>> >> >> on? do you see anything at all? Any words on the black screen? How
>> >> >> fast
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> disappear?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "monyhony" <> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:6DFB9750-A0AC-47A0-AE6D-...
>> >> >> > Windows Vista will not start. I have tried to repair and restore
>> >> >> > prior
>> >> >> > time
>> >> >> > period. No luck. Suggestions are to remove any new Plug
>> >> >> > ins...(done).
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > saw
>> >> >> > an earlier answer that mentioned something about if you try to
>> >> >> > plug
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > device (say a zip drive) it can reset something and prevent you
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > starting
>> >> >> > Vista. (I am not computer literate, but can solve most problems
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > some
>> >> >> > basic guidance....any ideas...
>> >> >> > thanks much!!
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > JM
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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