A Suggestion... Saving Files

I have lost a file in my Business Vista hard drive. Oh, it still exists...
somewhere, but I don't know where. It's a very important file, one which I
have encrypted. But yet it's lost.

My suggestion to MS is please stop playing games when we save files. Most
all programs install themselves in the Program Files folder. Let us allow
file saving to that folder for a given program-- ask permission, but then
allow the granting of it!. I can hide an important file there easily but
under the Users proxy folder, who would not look there to pick one's pocket?

This may the the straw that breaks this camel's back. Vista, in its valiant
attempt at security, has become to difficult, and uncertain (where is my
file really located?) to use effectively.

"John" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I have lost a file in my Business Vista hard drive. Oh, it still
exists...
> somewhere, but I don't know where. It's a very important file, one which I
> have encrypted. But yet it's lost.
>
> My suggestion to MS is please stop playing games when we save files. Most
> all programs install themselves in the Program Files folder. Let us allow
> file saving to that folder for a given program-- ask permission, but then
> allow the granting of it!. I can hide an important file there easily but
> under the Users proxy folder, who would not look there to pick one's
pocket?
>
> This may the the straw that breaks this camel's back. Vista, in its
valiant
> attempt at security, has become to difficult, and uncertain (where is my
> file really located?) to use effectively.
>
>


If the file was that important then why don't you even know the name of it?

If you knew the name (or even part of it) you could do a drive search.

Exactly, you should at least have it shown in the programs recently opened
list, the recent start menu items or list or be able to search the drive for
it.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"philo" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "John" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have lost a file in my Business Vista hard drive. Oh, it still
> exists...
>> somewhere, but I don't know where. It's a very important file, one which
>> I
>> have encrypted. But yet it's lost.
>>
>> My suggestion to MS is please stop playing games when we save files. Most
>> all programs install themselves in the Program Files folder. Let us allow
>> file saving to that folder for a given program-- ask permission, but then
>> allow the granting of it!. I can hide an important file there easily but
>> under the Users proxy folder, who would not look there to pick one's
> pocket?
>>
>> This may the the straw that breaks this camel's back. Vista, in its
> valiant
>> attempt at security, has become to difficult, and uncertain (where is my
>> file really located?) to use effectively.
>>
>>
>
>
> If the file was that important then why don't you even know the name of
> it?
>
> If you knew the name (or even part of it) you could do a drive search.
>
>
>

He or she is histrionic. It is all pretense and bad showmanship.

"philo" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "John" >

> If the file was that important then why don't you even know the name of
> it?
>
> If you knew the name (or even part of it) you could do a drive search.
>
>
>

"alexB" <> wrote in message
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> He or she is histrionic. It is all pretense and bad showmanship.
>


<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histrio...ality_disorder


Wow there alexb that was a pretty good 50cent word there...
ergo: you must be rather vocabulous! <grin>

Only program files should be saved in \Program Files. Vista enforces this.
Data files are much easier to backup if you save them in a common location.
I use C:\Data

Your file is probably located in
C:\Users\(youraccount)\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\ Program
Files\whateverprogramyouused


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"John" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I have lost a file in my Business Vista hard drive. Oh, it still
> exists... somewhere, but I don't know where. It's a very important file,
> one which I have encrypted. But yet it's lost.
>
> My suggestion to MS is please stop playing games when we save files. Most
> all programs install themselves in the Program Files folder. Let us allow
> file saving to that folder for a given program-- ask permission, but then
> allow the granting of it!. I can hide an important file there easily but
> under the Users proxy folder, who would not look there to pick one's
> pocket?
>
> This may the the straw that breaks this camel's back. Vista, in its
> valiant attempt at security, has become to difficult, and uncertain (where
> is my file really located?) to use effectively.
>

snip...

My good friend, I do know the file name and did find it. However, upon
opening the folder where the file was supposed to exist (via a Vista Search)
low and behold, it wasn't visible? Maybe it's a ghost file... who knows. I
could only open the file via it's application (Excel) using File-Open. All I
know, as a user, is this nonsense is not good for me. You may be an expert
with a programming degree from MIT. I am not. I'm a simple user who is
thwarted from completing my task easily.
>>
>>
>
>
> If the file was that important then why don't you even know the name of
> it?
>
> If you knew the name (or even part of it) you could do a drive search.
>
>
>

Yes, Andre, it showed when I did a File-Open and it was a recently used
file, fortunately. However that file, as shown in the program (Excel), when
I went to that folder via Explorer, did not exist. Curious...


"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <> wrote in message
news:u2rD%...
> Exactly, you should at least have it shown in the programs recently opened
> list, the recent start menu items or list or be able to search the drive
> for it.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
> "philo" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "John" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I have lost a file in my Business Vista hard drive. Oh, it still
>> exists...
>>> somewhere, but I don't know where. It's a very important file, one which
>>> I
>>> have encrypted. But yet it's lost.
>>>
>>> My suggestion to MS is please stop playing games when we save files.
>>> Most
>>> all programs install themselves in the Program Files folder. Let us
>>> allow
>>> file saving to that folder for a given program-- ask permission, but
>>> then
>>> allow the granting of it!. I can hide an important file there easily but
>>> under the Users proxy folder, who would not look there to pick one's
>> pocket?
>>>
>>> This may the the straw that breaks this camel's back. Vista, in its
>> valiant
>>> attempt at security, has become to difficult, and uncertain (where is my
>>> file really located?) to use effectively.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> If the file was that important then why don't you even know the name of
>> it?
>>
>> If you knew the name (or even part of it) you could do a drive search.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Yes, Dave, we all now know that Vista makes Program Files a horrid place to
install programs. But please tell the people who write the applications we
all use of this fact. Is it too much to ask that we users be given the
opportunity to allow a program to reside within the hallowed walls of
Program files as it once did BV (Before Vista)?.

"Dave" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Only program files should be saved in \Program Files. Vista enforces
> this.
> Data files are much easier to backup if you save them in a common
> location. I use C:\Data
>
> Your file is probably located in
> C:\Users\(youraccount)\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\ Program
> Files\whateverprogramyouused
>
>
> --
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview
>
> "John" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I have lost a file in my Business Vista hard drive. Oh, it still
>> exists... somewhere, but I don't know where. It's a very important file,
>> one which I have encrypted. But yet it's lost.
>>
>> My suggestion to MS is please stop playing games when we save files. Most
>> all programs install themselves in the Program Files folder. Let us allow
>> file saving to that folder for a given program-- ask permission, but then
>> allow the granting of it!. I can hide an important file there easily but
>> under the Users proxy folder, who would not look there to pick one's
>> pocket?
>>
>> This may the the straw that breaks this camel's back. Vista, in its
>> valiant attempt at security, has become to difficult, and uncertain
>> (where is my file really located?) to use effectively.
>>

"John" <> wrote in message
news:Ojp9s%...
>
> snip...
>
> My good friend, I do know the file name and did find it. However, upon
> opening the folder where the file was supposed to exist (via a Vista
Search)
> low and behold, it wasn't visible? Maybe it's a ghost file... who knows. I
> could only open the file via it's application (Excel) using File-Open. All
I
> know, as a user, is this nonsense is not good for me. You may be an expert
> with a programming degree from MIT. I am not. I'm a simple user who is
> thwarted from completing my task easily.
> >>
> >>
>

Then it looks like your point is a good one...
and I apologize if my reply was a bit terse.

Looks like it could be a bug in Vista.

However, before we condemn Vista..
why not give it a chance and investegate further.


It might possibly be a "hidden" file...
and if so...it should not have been of course.

Here is what you can try:

In Windows Explorer...go up to "tools" and in folder options..."view"

allow viewing of hidden files.

then go back to the folder and see if it's there.

(Of course Excel should *not* have saved it as a hidden file...so...


The other thing I was thinking is this:

when you did the drive search and found the file...
did you view the *full* path to the file?
Maybe you needed to expand the pane a bit...Just possibly the folder you
thought it was in had a longer path with an add'l sub-folder that you
missed.

At any rate...it looks like you have "unearthed" an interesting problem at
any rate.

Please have another good look at your search function and post back with the
results