Tag only some file types

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:09:36 +1000, <.> wrote:

>Weong.

What is "weong"?

If you're going to top-post, then you have to contextualize.

>ADS is built into OLE Compound files. So Doc, Xls, Mdb, Pps, et al
>all support this. Technically it isn't an ADS as OLE files have a file
>system built in. ADS replicates for non OLE files what OLE files have.

In other words, it's not ADS at all, just something within a normal
file that works in similar ways.

>So FATxx is no protection.

I didn't say FATxx was a protection against OLE. I said it's a
protection against ADS, and it is - but it's good to highlight other
content embedding opportunities like OLE, archives, mailboxes, .PST,
..EML files and the re-packing of executables themselves.

>Just put an ole file on disk with whatever you want in the
>PLE file as a file (ole files are a file system, sub directories etc -
>the file system merely resides in a single file).

Thanks for the heads up; I've never considered OLE as a file system
capable of directories etc. I thought it merely embedded content
within other files, but it seems as if it is more like archives than I
would have expected... and now, let us search...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/83659

http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~delara/pa...tml/node5.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_..._and_Embedding

Unfortunately, these results of Search( OLE format ) don't really go
into the binary structure, neither do they mention internal
equivalents of directories and subtrees.

Several file types are "tagged" in that the sort of info that
populates "properties" can be stored there. XML generalizes this to
include "lumpier" content, and the the middle of those links implies
this will grow to eclipse OLE. The Wikipedia article includes a
reminder of why one often has to click Flash content twice.

>"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" wrote:

>> The cure for ADS is FATxx ;-)



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In a Resource Kit or PSDK tools there is DocViewer which is a file system
view of an OLE compound file.

weong - I can't see the keyboard,

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <> wrote in
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> On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 02:09:36 +1000, <.> wrote:
>
>>Weong.
>
> What is "weong"?
>
> If you're going to top-post, then you have to contextualize.
>
>>ADS is built into OLE Compound files. So Doc, Xls, Mdb, Pps, et al
>>all support this. Technically it isn't an ADS as OLE files have a file
>>system built in. ADS replicates for non OLE files what OLE files have.
>
> In other words, it's not ADS at all, just something within a normal
> file that works in similar ways.
>
>>So FATxx is no protection.
>
> I didn't say FATxx was a protection against OLE. I said it's a
> protection against ADS, and it is - but it's good to highlight other
> content embedding opportunities like OLE, archives, mailboxes, .PST,
> .EML files and the re-packing of executables themselves.
>
>>Just put an ole file on disk with whatever you want in the
>>PLE file as a file (ole files are a file system, sub directories etc -
>>the file system merely resides in a single file).
>
> Thanks for the heads up; I've never considered OLE as a file system
> capable of directories etc. I thought it merely embedded content
> within other files, but it seems as if it is more like archives than I
> would have expected... and now, let us search...
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/83659
>
> http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~delara/pa...tml/node5.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_..._and_Embedding
>
> Unfortunately, these results of Search( OLE format ) don't really go
> into the binary structure, neither do they mention internal
> equivalents of directories and subtrees.
>
> Several file types are "tagged" in that the sort of info that
> populates "properties" can be stored there. XML generalizes this to
> include "lumpier" content, and the the middle of those links implies
> this will grow to eclipse OLE. The Wikipedia article includes a
> reminder of why one often has to click Flash content twice.
>
>>"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" wrote:
>
>>> The cure for ADS is FATxx ;-)
>
>
>
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> Tip Of The Day:
> To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:25:57 +1000, <.> wrote:

>In a Resource Kit or PSDK tools there is DocViewer which is a file system
>view of an OLE compound file.

Thanks! I'm going to try and search for that, but in case I can't
resolve a link to it, can you URL me or give me the tool's name?

>weong - I can't see the keyboard,

I know how that goes :-)

Murphy's 1.17.1066 variation: If you are going to make a typo, it will
be when flaming somebody, especially when typing a "typo" flame

Hence the tag...



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Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
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DFVIEW.exe

Google only giving me three hits for all of MS. Keeps warning me about
language. Did MS translate and replace their web site to another language
and not tell anyone.

This was hard to find. Remember to try it on Installer files.

http://www.endurasoft.com/vcd/ststo.htm has the file in the zip with code
samples 26K exe and the zip is 56k all up

"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" <> wrote in
message news:...
> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:25:57 +1000, <.> wrote:
>
>>In a Resource Kit or PSDK tools there is DocViewer which is a file system
>>view of an OLE compound file.
>
> Thanks! I'm going to try and search for that, but in case I can't
> resolve a link to it, can you URL me or give me the tool's name?
>
>>weong - I can't see the keyboard,
>
> I know how that goes :-)
>
> Murphy's 1.17.1066 variation: If you are going to make a typo, it will
> be when flaming somebody, especially when typing a "typo" flame
>
> Hence the tag...
>
>
>
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> Trsut me, I won't make a mistake!
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 21:37:17 +1000, <.> wrote:

>DFVIEW.exe

Ah...

>This was hard to find. Remember to try it on Installer files.

....IKWYM - I found OLEView.exe, which is quite a different beast
(CLSID heaven!)

>http://www.endurasoft.com/vcd/ststo.htm has the file in the zip with code
>samples 26K exe and the zip is 56k all up

Not too sure what endurasoft.com is, and somewhat loath to swallow
Vendor A's files via Vendor B, for unknown values of B.

Oh, I see; it's not MS's DFView.exe that's hosted there. A system
search doesn't find it on my PC either, so it looks like a hunt
through the MSDN suitcases... I hate that ;-)

Interesting, in view of "search" complaints:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273992

Context...

>> On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 04:25:57 +1000, <.> wrote:

>>>In a Resource Kit or PSDK tools there is DocViewer which is a file system
>>>view of an OLE compound file.



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.. wrote:
> I don't have any to test. Is it shown in Explorer's columns.

I think it was displayed in the columns when it was a common metadata
property like "Author". If not, it was most definitely visible when
viewing Properties for a text file.

Daniel