Termina Server on SBS 2003 network

If I install a Terminal Server on and SBS 2003 network and have
purchased the required number of TS Cals, so I also have to purchase
additional SBS Cals? Right now the SBS server is licenses in a 'per
connection' mode. If we had five new remote users coming in through
TS, that would on be one new connection, the TS, but five new users.

Thanks

Please clarify your current licensing. SBS has a user CAL and a device CAL.
Do you mean "per connection" mode is all device CALS?

"RobWW" <> wrote in message
news...
> If I install a Terminal Server on and SBS 2003 network and have
> purchased the required number of TS Cals, so I also have to purchase
> additional SBS Cals? Right now the SBS server is licenses in a 'per
> connection' mode. If we had five new remote users coming in through
> TS, that would on be one new connection, the TS, but five new users.
>
> Thanks

A 'per device' mode is Microsoft's term and I have set up licensing
per device meaning the maximum number of devices (compters) I can
connect to the network. Right now, it does not matter how many users
I have, but I have 50 computers so any one 50 users can log on. Simple
enough?

Now I am going to add a Terminal Server which is connection number 51.
New users will access the network through the terminal server from a
varity of locations throughout the world which will change. The
Terminal Server will have 'per user' CALs so it does not keep track of
who logs on, only the total number of people tthat log onto the TS in
any one given time.

So my question is, do I need more SBS CALs in this senario?

Thanks,


On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:57:10 -0800, "SteveB" <>
wrote:

>Please clarify your current licensing. SBS has a user CAL and a device CAL.
>Do you mean "per connection" mode is all device CALS?
>
>"RobWW" <> wrote in message
>news.. .
>> If I install a Terminal Server on and SBS 2003 network and have
>> purchased the required number of TS Cals, so I also have to purchase
>> additional SBS Cals? Right now the SBS server is licenses in a 'per
>> connection' mode. If we had five new remote users coming in through
>> TS, that would on be one new connection, the TS, but five new users.
>>
>> Thanks
>

You have a misunderstanding of Per User TS CALs. They are not "concurrent
users CALs" but individually assigned users. So you need one Per User TS CAL
for EACH and EVERY user who logs on. NOT (as you state) "only the total
number of people tthat log onto the TS in any one given time"

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel




"RobWW" <> wrote in message
news:...
>A 'per device' mode is Microsoft's term and I have set up licensing
> per device meaning the maximum number of devices (compters) I can
> connect to the network. Right now, it does not matter how many users
> I have, but I have 50 computers so any one 50 users can log on. Simple
> enough?
>
> Now I am going to add a Terminal Server which is connection number 51.
> New users will access the network through the terminal server from a
> varity of locations throughout the world which will change. The
> Terminal Server will have 'per user' CALs so it does not keep track of
> who logs on, only the total number of people tthat log onto the TS in
> any one given time.
>
> So my question is, do I need more SBS CALs in this senario?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:57:10 -0800, "SteveB" <>
> wrote:
>
>>Please clarify your current licensing. SBS has a user CAL and a device
>>CAL.
>>Do you mean "per connection" mode is all device CALS?
>>
>>"RobWW" <> wrote in message
>>news. ..
>>> If I install a Terminal Server on and SBS 2003 network and have
>>> purchased the required number of TS Cals, so I also have to purchase
>>> additional SBS Cals? Right now the SBS server is licenses in a 'per
>>> connection' mode. If we had five new remote users coming in through
>>> TS, that would on be one new connection, the TS, but five new users.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>

Further to the subject, you also need user cals for the remote users unless
you are certain they will always use the same device to connect. Once you
assign a user cal to a warm blooded creature, that creature can connect from
the LAN desktop, a smart phone, or any remote computer capable of finding
and getting through your firewall block list. If you give remote users device
cals they must use the same device to authenticate to the SBS.

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> You have a misunderstanding of Per User TS CALs. They are not
> "concurrent users CALs" but individually assigned users. So you need
> one Per User TS CAL for EACH and EVERY user who logs on. NOT (as you
> state) "only the total number of people tthat log onto the TS in any
> one given time"
>
> "RobWW" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>> A 'per device' mode is Microsoft's term and I have set up licensing
>> per device meaning the maximum number of devices (compters) I can
>> connect to the network. Right now, it does not matter how many users
>> I have, but I have 50 computers so any one 50 users can log on.
>> Simple enough?
>>
>> Now I am going to add a Terminal Server which is connection number
>> 51. New users will access the network through the terminal server
>> from a varity of locations throughout the world which will change.
>> The Terminal Server will have 'per user' CALs so it does not keep
>> track of who logs on, only the total number of people tthat log onto
>> the TS in any one given time.
>>
>> So my question is, do I need more SBS CALs in this senario?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:57:10 -0800, "SteveB" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Please clarify your current licensing. SBS has a user CAL and a
>>> device
>>> CAL.
>>> Do you mean "per connection" mode is all device CALS?
>>> "RobWW" <> wrote in message
>>> news...
>>>> If I install a Terminal Server on and SBS 2003 network and have
>>>> purchased the required number of TS Cals, so I also have to
>>>> purchase additional SBS Cals? Right now the SBS server is licenses
>>>> in a 'per connection' mode. If we had five new remote users coming
>>>> in through TS, that would on be one new connection, the TS, but
>>>> five new users.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>

So let's assume I have 5 TS CALS and 5 new users (who will never
change) all logging into the SBS network via the new Terminal Server
from the same permanent location. Do I also need 5 new SBS CALs?

Thanks for all the help on this so far.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:04:43 -0500, Jim Behning SBS MVP
<> wrote:

>I believe if you have user cals you would need 5 more user cals. If
>you have device cals you would need at least 6 new device cals
>assuming that the users are accessing the server from only one
>computer and they never access it from more than one computer. No
>connection cal has ever been available but if there were that would
>still be at least 6 connections assuming concurrency.
>
>On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:40:06 -0500, RobWW <> wrote:
>
>>If I install a Terminal Server on and SBS 2003 network and have
>>purchased the required number of TS Cals, so I also have to purchase
>>additional SBS Cals? Right now the SBS server is licenses in a 'per
>>connection' mode. If we had five new remote users coming in through
>>TS, that would on be one new connection, the TS, but five new users.
>>
>>Thanks
>See what SBS support is working on
>http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx
>Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer
>http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive...A/default.aspx

Yes, they need SBS CALs. There's no magic here. Everyone (or every device)
needs an SBS CAL. And each TS user or device needs a TS CAL. You do NOT need
TS CALs for users who never use the TS. You _do_ need SBS CALs for any user
who connects to the TS.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel




"RobWW" <> wrote in message
news:...
> So let's assume I have 5 TS CALS and 5 new users (who will never
> change) all logging into the SBS network via the new Terminal Server
> from the same permanent location. Do I also need 5 new SBS CALs?
>
> Thanks for all the help on this so far.
>
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:04:43 -0500, Jim Behning SBS MVP
> <> wrote:
>
>>I believe if you have user cals you would need 5 more user cals. If
>>you have device cals you would need at least 6 new device cals
>>assuming that the users are accessing the server from only one
>>computer and they never access it from more than one computer. No
>>connection cal has ever been available but if there were that would
>>still be at least 6 connections assuming concurrency.
>>
>>On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:40:06 -0500, RobWW <> wrote:
>>
>>>If I install a Terminal Server on and SBS 2003 network and have
>>>purchased the required number of TS Cals, so I also have to purchase
>>>additional SBS Cals? Right now the SBS server is licenses in a 'per
>>>connection' mode. If we had five new remote users coming in through
>>>TS, that would on be one new connection, the TS, but five new users.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>See what SBS support is working on
>>http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx
>>Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer
>>http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive...A/default.aspx

That makes it clear, Charlie. Thanks.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:53:32 -0800, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<> wrote:

>Yes, they need SBS CALs. There's no magic here. Everyone (or every device)
>needs an SBS CAL. And each TS user or device needs a TS CAL. You do NOT need
>TS CALs for users who never use the TS. You _do_ need SBS CALs for any user
>who connects to the TS.