Is there a way to do ERUNT *with* UAC enabled?

I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.

??

notaguru <notaguru-> wrote in news:f674b7$m9u$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
> UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.
>
> ??
>
I have been trying to ERUNT running under Vista as well, but no go.

Have you tried to restore using ERUNT under Vista? Would be good to know if
it actually works. No reason to do these back-ups if restore won't work. I
do not know how different the registry is in Vista, and I do not want to
take a chance corrputing my system if it turns out ERUNT doesn't restore
right. I am hoping someone else is willing to take that chance.....and let
us know how it went (if their system lives to tell..

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//ceed

ceed wrote:
> notaguru <notaguru-> wrote in news:f674b7$m9u$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
>> UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.
>>
>> ??
>>
> I have been trying to ERUNT running under Vista as well, but no go.
>
> Have you tried to restore using ERUNT under Vista? Would be good to know if
> it actually works. No reason to do these back-ups if restore won't work. I
> do not know how different the registry is in Vista, and I do not want to
> take a chance corrputing my system if it turns out ERUNT doesn't restore
> right. I am hoping someone else is willing to take that chance.....and let
> us know how it went (if their system lives to tell..
>

Sure. I've done ERDNT in Vista, but with crossed fingers and
again UAC had to be OFF. Unless I can find a way to do
ERUNT/ERDNT slickly and with UAC functioning, I'll revert to
Bill's solution.

On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:42:27 -0700, notaguru

>I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
>UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.

I'm running it on Vista32 Home Basic with UAC enabled (or more
accurately, left in default mode).

One trick may be in setting the shortcut that runs it to Run As
Administrator. Without that, it fails to access the hives.

The other trick may be where you direct it to create the registry
backups, which you do via command line parameter. If you don't do
that, it may default to where it is installed, and if that is in a
protected space such as "Program Files", it may fail.



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cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:42:27 -0700, notaguru
>
>> I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
>> UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.
>
> I'm running it on Vista32 Home Basic with UAC enabled (or more
> accurately, left in default mode).
>
> One trick may be in setting the shortcut that runs it to Run As
> Administrator. Without that, it fails to access the hives.
>
> The other trick may be where you direct it to create the registry
> backups, which you do via command line parameter. If you don't do
> that, it may default to where it is installed, and if that is in a
> protected space such as "Program Files", it may fail.
>
>
>
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It was that simple!

Thanks very much.

NOTaguru

On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 08:04:51 -0700, notaguru
>cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:42:27 -0700, notaguru

>>> I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
>>> UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.

>> One trick may be in setting shortcut to Run As Administrator.
>>
>> The other trick may be where you direct it to create the registry
>> backups, which you do via command line parameter.

>It was that simple!
>Thanks very much.

Cool - you're welcome!

Remember the "rt-click, run as administrator" when:
- installing software (tho usually, Vista figures that out)
- running software for the first time
- "difficult" software

Of these, the one I find useful is "running software for the first
time", as often it will do things that only need to be done once, but
need admin rights to work (such as populating the app's registry
settings in HKLM). Because Vista doesn't "see" that it's an installer
(well, it isn't) it doesn't get these rights automatically.

Then the rest of the time you use the app (unless changing "deep"
system-wide settings) you can leave it running normally (i.e. not as
admin) for safety.

Some apps that work at the system level, and/or access hardware more
directly, may need admin rights all the time, and it is in these cases
that checkboxing this in the shortcut's Properties is a good idea.

ERUNT is one of those, but not all apps that need admin rights on
first use will fall into that category. For example, Eudora needs
first-use admin rights if you want it to set itself as the default
email app, but after that it's OK with normal rights.



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Part of any problem you are having is that you are running Vista Home Basic.

David


"cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)" wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 19:42:27 -0700, notaguru
>
> >I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
> >UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.
>
> I'm running it on Vista32 Home Basic with UAC enabled (or more
> accurately, left in default mode).
>
> One trick may be in setting the shortcut that runs it to Run As
> Administrator. Without that, it fails to access the hives.
>
> The other trick may be where you direct it to create the registry
> backups, which you do via command line parameter. If you don't do
> that, it may default to where it is installed, and if that is in a
> protected space such as "Program Files", it may fail.
>
>
>
> >------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
> Our senses are our UI to reality
> >------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
>

>Part of any problem you are having is that you are running Vista Home Basic.

I'm running Home Premium and it won't autostart for me.
>
>>
>> >I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
>> >UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.
>>
>> I'm running it on Vista32 Home Basic with UAC enabled (or more
>> accurately, left in default mode).
>>
>> One trick may be in setting the shortcut that runs it to Run As
>> Administrator. Without that, it fails to access the hives.

Tried that but it still doesn't run
>>
>> The other trick may be where you direct it to create the registry
>> backups, which you do via command line parameter. If you don't do
>> that, it may default to where it is installed, and if that is in a
>> protected space such as "Program Files", it may fail.
>>
That may be the problem. I have left the default as is, and that is
to the Windows/ERDNT folder which I guess is a "protected area".

I can try saving to a different folder, but is there any way to make
it save to the default location by changing permissions etc??

notaguru <notaguru-> wrote in news:f674b7$m9u$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> I use ERUNT for registry backups, but on Vista it runs only with
> UAC disabled - and that requires two boots.
>
> ??
>
I have found a way to run it. You need to change the where ERUNT stores the
backup to your user account. I have edited the start-up item created for
auto-backup from storing in C:\Windows\ERUNT to store it in C:\MyAccount
\ERUNT. You need to right-click on the icon in the Startup folder and edit
the "Target". Be careful so you do not change anything but the path.

Still you will have to allow the program to run at Startup, but I am now at
least getting the backups done.


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On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:35:57 +1000, Chuck <> wrote:

>>> One trick may be in setting the shortcut that runs it to Run As
>>> Administrator. Without that, it fails to access the hives.
>
>Tried that but it still doesn't run

I see you mentioned auto-start. That won't work for programs that are
run as admin ("Run as Admin, auto-start; pick one"), by design.

However. you may be able to auto-run it as a Task, which is what I'd
do - it takes too long for me to want to wait for it every time I
start the PC. You may set a Task to run on boot, and maybe it will
have the sense to run once a day only... or explore running it daily
at a set time, with the option to run it immediately in the last time
it was supposed to run, didn't.

Both should have the same effect of "make a new backup once a day".

>>> The other trick may be where you direct it to create the registry
>>> backups, which you do via command line parameter. If you don't do
>>> that, it may default to where it is installed, and if that is in a
>>> protected space such as "Program Files", it may fail.

>That may be the problem. I have left the default as is, and that is
>to the Windows/ERDNT folder which I guess is a "protected area".

Yep. Bad idea, for all sorts of reasons.

>I can try saving to a different folder, but is there any way to make
>it save to the default location by changing permissions etc??

I wouldn't. ERUNT backups are self-contained, AFAIK; IOW, the code
needed to apply them is saved with the backup (which creates an
infection risk where backups are concerned).

I'd want the "depth" of multiple retained backups, and that's going to
require me to play with locations anyway - so why not keep the
frequently-updated material out of Program Files, and thus be
compatible with possible future measures that lock it down even more?

However, you could prolly drop permissions for a subtree within
Program Files if you wanted to. May facilitate generic code
infectors, though, which I'd rather exclude from backups especially.




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