Thinking about an upgrade

my pc is almost 1 yr old, and I want to upgrade it to a better chip. To do
that, I will need a different motherboard, and I was wondering if I am going
to have to buy a new product code, or if I can call and activate windows over
the telephone and have no problems doing so.

Hello,

I upgraded and then activated over telephone using my normal key and it
worked fine.

Greetings,
P. Di Stolfo

"Mason" <> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> my pc is almost 1 yr old, and I want to upgrade it to a better chip. To
> do
> that, I will need a different motherboard, and I was wondering if I am
> going
> to have to buy a new product code, or if I can call and activate windows
> over
> the telephone and have no problems doing so.

You should have no problem as long as you explain what you did and have the
proper key. IMO, you would be better off not upgrading the mb & cpu on an 1
yr old computer. Put the money towards a new one with Vista. You will wind
up spending almost the same after replacing memory and other components for
the new mb and still have slower video, hard drives etc. Buying more memory
would be a better upgrade and much cheaper.

"Mason" wrote:

> my pc is almost 1 yr old, and I want to upgrade it to a better chip. To do
> that, I will need a different motherboard, and I was wondering if I am going
> to have to buy a new product code, or if I can call and activate windows over
> the telephone and have no problems doing so.

Mason wrote:
> my pc is almost 1 yr old, and I want to upgrade it to a better chip. To do
> that, I will need a different motherboard, and I was wondering if I am going
> to have to buy a new product code, or if I can call and activate windows over
> the telephone and have no problems doing so.


You won't need to purchase a new Vista license, but you will need to
perform, at a minimum, a "Startup Repair" to enable Vista to properly
boot and run on the new hardware.

Windows Vista Help: Startup Repair: frequently asked questions
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...f3f351033.mspx


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Its sad to see replies that are clueless by people who are actually MVPs....

if you got an OEM or DSP version that is sold with hardware like a mouse of
a cable, then vista is tied not to your computer anymore as it was with XP
but to the motherboard you first installed it on.

if you installed an upgrade version of vista upon OEM xp then it is tied to
the motherboard too...

this is in the EULA or in other words what MS wants you to do.

Whether you can actually be able to activate by phone or not is another
story.


"Mason" <> wrote in message
news:8F8179D0-1F15-485D-9F49-...
> my pc is almost 1 yr old, and I want to upgrade it to a better chip. To
> do
> that, I will need a different motherboard, and I was wondering if I am
> going
> to have to buy a new product code, or if I can call and activate windows
> over
> the telephone and have no problems doing so.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:54:01 -0700, Mason
<> wrote:

>my pc is almost 1 yr old, and I want to upgrade it to a better chip. To do
>that, I will need a different motherboard, and I was wondering if I am going
>to have to buy a new product code, or if I can call and activate windows over
>the telephone and have no problems doing so.


If yours is a Retail version, no problem at all. You can that as often
as to want, and even move your copy to a complete new machine as often
as you want.

But if yours is an OEM copy, it's not so simple. The OEM license
restricts it to the first computer it's installed on and it can never
be moved to another, even if the original one dies.

The problem is that the Microsoft OEM EULA does not precisely define
exactly what constitutes the "computer." Some people claim that the
motherboard constitutes the computer. However logical that might seem,
the EULA does not state that, and the EULA is the document that
defines the rights of both parties to the agreement.

Some of those people point to a web site for System Builders, where
Microsoft defines the computer as the motherboard. However it's not
what it says on some web site that defines the customer's rights, it's
the EULA; besides, that web site is not even available to the general
public. I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is that if it ever came to a
court case and someone cited that web site, he'd be laughed out of
court.

So, can you replace a motherboard, consider the result the same
computer, and reuse your OEM copy of Windows? Regardless of what I
think, you think, or anyone else thinks, or even what a court might
rule if it came to that, the real issue is whether Microsoft will
permit you to reactivate if you do. Unfortunately the answer is again
not clear-cut, and we have heard here from people who have had both
experiences--some were reactivated and others were not. If they refuse
to reactivate you and you take them to court, you might win, but who
of us would be willing to undergo that trouble and expense to find
out?

So the answer, for OEM copies, is that there is no real answer.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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Many MVPs claim that the new revision of the EULA specifies that the
computer is the motherboard...

I find that insane.. but my opinion is irrelevant


"Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:54:01 -0700, Mason
> <> wrote:
>
>>my pc is almost 1 yr old, and I want to upgrade it to a better chip. To
>>do
>>that, I will need a different motherboard, and I was wondering if I am
>>going
>>to have to buy a new product code, or if I can call and activate windows
>>over
>>the telephone and have no problems doing so.
>
>
> If yours is a Retail version, no problem at all. You can that as often
> as to want, and even move your copy to a complete new machine as often
> as you want.
>
> But if yours is an OEM copy, it's not so simple. The OEM license
> restricts it to the first computer it's installed on and it can never
> be moved to another, even if the original one dies.
>
> The problem is that the Microsoft OEM EULA does not precisely define
> exactly what constitutes the "computer." Some people claim that the
> motherboard constitutes the computer. However logical that might seem,
> the EULA does not state that, and the EULA is the document that
> defines the rights of both parties to the agreement.
>
> Some of those people point to a web site for System Builders, where
> Microsoft defines the computer as the motherboard. However it's not
> what it says on some web site that defines the customer's rights, it's
> the EULA; besides, that web site is not even available to the general
> public. I'm not a lawyer, but my guess is that if it ever came to a
> court case and someone cited that web site, he'd be laughed out of
> court.
>
> So, can you replace a motherboard, consider the result the same
> computer, and reuse your OEM copy of Windows? Regardless of what I
> think, you think, or anyone else thinks, or even what a court might
> rule if it came to that, the real issue is whether Microsoft will
> permit you to reactivate if you do. Unfortunately the answer is again
> not clear-cut, and we have heard here from people who have had both
> experiences--some were reactivated and others were not. If they refuse
> to reactivate you and you take them to court, you might win, but who
> of us would be willing to undergo that trouble and expense to find
> out?
>
> So the answer, for OEM copies, is that there is no real answer.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Tiberius wrote:
> Its sad to see replies that are clueless by people who are actually MVPs....
>


At least we tell the truth, as best we know it, rather than
deliberately lying, as you do.


> if you got an OEM or DSP version that is sold with hardware like a mouse of
> a cable, then vista is tied not to your computer anymore as it was with XP
> but to the motherboard you first installed it on.
>

Why do you persist in telling this lie? You've been corrected many
times. Try reading the OEM EULA, for once.


> if you installed an upgrade version of vista upon OEM xp then it is tied to
> the motherboard too...
>

What utter nonsense.... Only the original OEM license is permanently
bound to the original *computer*, not motherboard; a retail upgrade
license most definitely is not so bound.


> this is in the EULA or in other words what MS wants you to do.
>

No, it isn't in the EULA. Stop lying.



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Tiberius wrote:
> Many MVPs claim that the new revision of the EULA specifies that the
> computer is the motherboard...
>

Please cite an example of where any MVP says that EULA specifies that
the motherboard = the computer. I'm more than a little confident that
you won't be able to do so. This is just another of your lies.

> I find that insane...


Insane? Not necessarily. But it's certainly mistaken.


> but my opinion is irrelevant
>
>

That's awfully near to the first correct thing I've ever seen you post.


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its all over the place! lol , just do a search on Google groups.. as I just
did now!

for example

http://groups.google.com/group/micro...7c199f5ab3d65e

Jupiter Jones (MVP) says:

OEM versions of XP
1. OEM versions of XP preinstalled on systems according to the OEM EULA
cannot be transferred to another computer[or new Motherboard]. This is
defined in the EULA.


Bruce... its not me lying.. its me challenging your belief system that makes
you feel uneasy and frustrated...
its normal.. don't worry about it.




"Bruce Chambers" <3t> wrote in message
news:...
> Tiberius wrote:
>> Many MVPs claim that the new revision of the EULA specifies that the
>> computer is the motherboard...
>>
>
> Please cite an example of where any MVP says that EULA specifies that the
> motherboard = the computer. I'm more than a little confident that you
> won't be able to do so. This is just another of your lies.
>
>> I find that insane...
>
>
> Insane? Not necessarily. But it's certainly mistaken.
>
>
>> but my opinion is irrelevant
>>
>>
>
> That's awfully near to the first correct thing I've ever seen you post.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
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>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell