How often does a new version come out?

Discussion in 'Virtual PC' started by MLyons10, Mar 15, 2009.

  1. MLyons10

    MLyons10 Guest

    Hi everyone, I am using Virtual PC 2007 and was wondering if a new version
    with more features and stability improvements would be released in 2009 or
    what. I don't know how often a new version comes out...

    Thanks,
    :)
     
    MLyons10, Mar 15, 2009
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    Bo Berglund Guest

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:21:01 -0700, MLyons10
    <> wrote:

    >Hi everyone, I am using Virtual PC 2007 and was wondering if a new version
    >with more features and stability improvements would be released in 2009 or
    >what. I don't know how often a new version comes out...
    >
    >Thanks,
    >:)


    Maybe when a new major version of Windows comes out...
    Last time was going from VPC2004 to VPC2007 in order to support VISTA.
    Probably by the time they are nearing Windows7 release or so?


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    Bo Berglund (Sweden)
     
    Bo Berglund, Mar 16, 2009
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    Wesley Guest

    Bo, While I heavly depend on VPC, I do not think that a new release of VPC,
    or VS is likely now that MS has released Hyper-V? While VPC, and VS are
    essential in my system, I am not holding my breath. It is my hope that I will
    eventually be able to run my unsupported apps in Hyper-V, or retire first :)
    --
    Wesley


    "Bo Berglund" wrote:

    > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:21:01 -0700, MLyons10
    > <> wrote:
    >
    > >Hi everyone, I am using Virtual PC 2007 and was wondering if a new version
    > >with more features and stability improvements would be released in 2009 or
    > >what. I don't know how often a new version comes out...
    > >
    > >Thanks,
    > >:)

    >
    > Maybe when a new major version of Windows comes out...
    > Last time was going from VPC2004 to VPC2007 in order to support VISTA.
    > Probably by the time they are nearing Windows7 release or so?
    >
    >
    > --
    >
    > Bo Berglund (Sweden)
    >
     
    Wesley, Mar 17, 2009
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  4. MLyons10

    Bo Berglund Guest

    On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:09:02 -0700, Wesley
    <> wrote:

    >Bo, While I heavly depend on VPC, I do not think that a new release of VPC,
    >or VS is likely now that MS has released Hyper-V? While VPC, and VS are
    >essential in my system, I am not holding my breath. It is my hope that I will
    >eventually be able to run my unsupported apps in Hyper-V, or retire first :)


    It is pure speculation, but in my book Hyper-V will replace
    VirtualServer 2005 for server virtualization and therefore VS2005 is
    probably at road's end.

    But there is still a market/need for desktop virtualization without
    the overhead of a dedicated Win2008 server for hosting.

    This is where VPC2007 is positioned and so far we have not seen any
    desktop replacement product come out from Microsoft. So I believe that
    eiter there will be a VPC2009/2010 release to support new features of
    Win7 at least as a host or a completely new product (like Hyper-V was
    for the server side).

    But I am not holding my breath, I am working with VMWare WorkStation
    6.5 for stuff that VPC2007 cannot do....

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    Bo Berglund (Sweden)
     
    Bo Berglund, Mar 17, 2009
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  5. MLyons10

    MLyons10 Guest

    Thanks everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it and look forward
    to seeing what comes out in future versions.

    @Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
    with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
    comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...

    Thanks Again,
     
    MLyons10, Mar 17, 2009
    #5
  6. MLyons10

    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <> MLyons10
    <> was claimed to have wrote:

    >Thanks everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it and look forward
    >to seeing what comes out in future versions.
    >
    >@Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
    >with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
    >comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...


    There is a whole list of things. A few that I use come to mind, in no
    particular order:

    Snapshot support -- I can have multiple snapshots of a given VM in
    various states. While not impossible by creating dozens of VMs in VPC,
    it's far easier to manage in VMWare.

    Support for multiple monitors.

    "Unity" mode, where applications from the VM share the desktop with
    local applications rather then being confined to the VM window.

    Multiple processor support for guests.

    VMCI support, allowing guests to communicate with each other and the
    host more directly (admittedly there aren't many apps which take
    advantage of this)

    Remote display -- VNC access to the guest machine from remote systems.

    Passthrough USB support.

    Screenshot support.

    Overcommitment of virtual machine memory.
     
    Dave Warren, Mar 17, 2009
    #6
  7. Dave Warren wrote:
    >> @Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
    >> with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
    >> comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...

    >
    > There is a whole list of things. A few that I use come to mind, in no
    > particular order:
    >
    > Snapshot support -- I can have multiple snapshots of a given VM in
    > various states. While not impossible by creating dozens of VMs in VPC,
    > it's far easier to manage in VMWare.
    >
    > Support for multiple monitors.
    >
    > "Unity" mode, where applications from the VM share the desktop with
    > local applications rather then being confined to the VM window.
    >
    > Multiple processor support for guests.
    >
    > VMCI support, allowing guests to communicate with each other and the
    > host more directly (admittedly there aren't many apps which take
    > advantage of this)
    >
    > Remote display -- VNC access to the guest machine from remote systems.
    >
    > Passthrough USB support.
    >
    > Screenshot support.
    >
    > Overcommitment of virtual machine memory.


    64-bit guests.

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    David Wilkinson
    Visual C++ MVP
     
    David Wilkinson, Mar 17, 2009
    #7
  8. On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:50:19 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
    <> wrote:

    >"MLyons10" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >
    >> What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do?

    >
    >Everything you've ever wished that Virtual PC could do...


    No, I don't wish VPC had tabs for your VMs instead of individual
    windows, and I don't like huge installer, multiple services, agents,
    and the rest of the extra overhead always running with a VMWare
    install.

    --
    Cheers,
    Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
    http://vpc.essjae.com/
     
    Steve Jain [MVP], Mar 18, 2009
    #8
  9. On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:34:06 -0700, MLyons10
    <> wrote:

    >Thanks everyone for your responses. I really appreciate it and look forward
    >to seeing what comes out in future versions.
    >
    >@Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
    >with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
    >comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...
    >
    >Thanks Again,


    Comparisions abound...google it. Here's one:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_platform_virtual_machines


    VMWare Workstation also comes with a $189 price tag.


    --
    Cheers,
    Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
    http://vpc.essjae.com/
     
    Steve Jain [MVP], Mar 18, 2009
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  10. MLyons10

    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <> David Wilkinson
    <> was claimed to have wrote:

    >Dave Warren wrote:
    >>> @Bo: What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do? Is it better
    >>> with sound support? I'm kind of curious as I can't find a good source of
    >>> comparison between the different Virtual PC-like products...

    >>
    >> There is a whole list of things. A few that I use come to mind, in no
    >> particular order:
    >>
    >> Snapshot support -- I can have multiple snapshots of a given VM in
    >> various states. While not impossible by creating dozens of VMs in VPC,
    >> it's far easier to manage in VMWare.
    >>
    >> Support for multiple monitors.
    >>
    >> "Unity" mode, where applications from the VM share the desktop with
    >> local applications rather then being confined to the VM window.
    >>
    >> Multiple processor support for guests.
    >>
    >> VMCI support, allowing guests to communicate with each other and the
    >> host more directly (admittedly there aren't many apps which take
    >> advantage of this)
    >>
    >> Remote display -- VNC access to the guest machine from remote systems.
    >>
    >> Passthrough USB support.
    >>
    >> Screenshot support.
    >>
    >> Overcommitment of virtual machine memory.

    >
    >64-bit guests.


    I knew I was forgetting something important. This is even more critical
    with 2008 R2 (and forward) being x64 only.
     
    Dave Warren, Mar 18, 2009
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  11. MLyons10

    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <> "Steve Jain
    [MVP]" <> was claimed to have wrote:

    >On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:50:19 -0000, "Mark Rae [MVP]"
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >>"MLyons10" <> wrote in message
    >>news:...
    >>
    >>> What does VMWare 6.5 do that Virtual PC 2007 doesn't do?

    >>
    >>Everything you've ever wished that Virtual PC could do...

    >
    >No, I don't wish VPC had tabs for your VMs instead of individual
    >windows,


    Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"

    VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.

    >and I don't like huge installer, multiple services, agents,
    >and the rest of the extra overhead always running with a VMWare
    >install.


    I can't say I'm fond of VMWare's install, especially in that it loses
    your custom network configuration each time.

    On the flip side, because individual VMs are mapped to vmnet0-9, VMs
    with custom network configurations can be made more portable if your
    network configuration is consistent between physical hosts.

    The networking support is also arguably better in VMWare too, although
    you can do most of the same things in VPC if you create loopback NICs
    and run a lightweight router package (m0n0wall or pfSense work nicely)
    in another VM.

    Add "Native configurable DHCP and NAT" to the list.
     
    Dave Warren, Mar 18, 2009
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  12. MLyons10

    Magnusb Guest

    In article <>, dave-
    says...
    > Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"
    >
    > VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.


    How can you run different VMs with VMWare in individual windows, other
    than using VM Player? Havent seen a way do it like I want it. Sometimes
    a tabbed interface is nice though.

    I personally would prefer having VMWare work like VPC and having
    Wokrstation work as a console controlling windows and setting options.

    I also think that network handling (even if it might be better) is a bit
    harder to work with than VPC (and I don't liek the extra network drivers
    it installed).

    But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
    performance.

    Another nice feature with VMWare is the option of mounting virtual
    drives and acess them directly from host.

    And Converter to increase disk space etc.
     
    Magnusb, Mar 18, 2009
    #12
  13. On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:20:59 +0100, Magnusb <> wrote:

    >In article <>, dave-
    > says...
    >> Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"
    >>
    >> VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.

    >
    >How can you run different VMs with VMWare in individual windows, other
    >than using VM Player? Havent seen a way do it like I want it. Sometimes
    >a tabbed interface is nice though.


    You run another instance of workstation.

    >
    >I personally would prefer having VMWare work like VPC and having
    >Wokrstation work as a console controlling windows and setting options.
    >
    >I also think that network handling (even if it might be better) is a bit
    >harder to work with than VPC (and I don't liek the extra network drivers
    >it installed).
    >
    >But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
    >performance.


    Performance isn't always better in VMWare. And, a lot of times it
    comes at a cost to the host.

    >
    >Another nice feature with VMWare is the option of mounting virtual
    >drives and acess them directly from host.


    You can get that option with VPC too. The tool is included with
    Virtual Server, all you need to do is a custom install, and only
    install the VHDMount portion.


    --
    Cheers,
    Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
    http://vpc.essjae.com/
     
    Steve Jain [MVP], Mar 18, 2009
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  14. MLyons10

    Magnusb Guest

    In article <>, noreply.-
    @-.essjae.com says...
    > You run another instance of workstation.


    DOH! Yes of course. It comes with some extra memory overhead though.

    > Performance isn't always better in VMWare. And, a lot of times it
    > comes at a cost to the host.


    At least if you set process priority to high for the VM. When I did that
    it killed host completly while the VM was running a heavy task.

    For me the most important features in VMWare compared to VPC is dual cpu
    support, USB support and better (faster) shared folder (and I need to
    use shared folders when I use VPN in my VM). There are some other nice
    features in VMWare but not that much use for me.
     
    Magnusb, Mar 19, 2009
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  15. MLyons10

    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <> "Steve Jain
    [MVP]" <> was claimed to have wrote:

    >On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:20:59 +0100, Magnusb <> wrote:
    >
    >>But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
    >>performance.

    >
    >Performance isn't always better in VMWare. And, a lot of times it
    >comes at a cost to the host.


    I've yet to see a case where VPC performed better then VMWare, although
    VMWare's cost to the host can be higher, especially since VMWare will
    let you over-commit RAM.
     
    Dave Warren, Mar 19, 2009
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  16. MLyons10

    Dave Warren Guest

    In message <> Magnusb
    <> was claimed to have wrote:

    >In article <>, dave-
    > says...
    >> Ahh, another feature I forgot about. Add to my list "tabbed interface"
    >>
    >> VMWare can do either tabs, individual windows, or combinations therein.

    >
    >How can you run different VMs with VMWare in individual windows, other
    >than using VM Player? Havent seen a way do it like I want it. Sometimes
    >a tabbed interface is nice though.


    File --> New Window.

    Note that a particular VM can only be opened in one VMWare window at a
    time, close the tab where ever it's already opened, then open it in the
    new window. This does not require shutting down the VM.

    >I personally would prefer having VMWare work like VPC and having
    >Wokrstation work as a console controlling windows and setting options.


    Another option is to set your VMs in Appliance View, then use VNC to
    mount the displays. The performance of VNC to a localhost machine is
    decent, and connecting with VNC into VMWare is much faster then
    connecting to a Windows guest.

    >But in general VMWare is superior to VPC both in features and
    >performance.


    And it costs more too. Well worth it to me, but still worth
    considering.
     
    Dave Warren, Mar 19, 2009
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