I give up on Vista! Going back to XP.

Discussion in 'Windows Vista Help' started by des, May 19, 2008.

  1. des

    des Guest

    After 15 months of working with Vista, I've had enough. In a couple of
    weeks I'm going to take it into the local shop and tell them to reformat
    the hard drive and install XP. I can't take it anymore.

    I had Vista installed last year on a brand-new computer with all the
    hardware requirements. I thought I could live with some annoyances.
    After all, no software is annoyance-free. The S-L-O-W file copying made
    me grit my teeth (wasn't it great how it shaded out the Explorer window,
    making it unusable?). All the trouble I had trying to get a webcam to
    work in order to have video calls over the Internet - infuriating and
    ultimately totally fruitless. The seemingly random interruptions and
    requests for administrator access. The USB device I plugged in one time
    leaving an icon in Windows Explorer that is impossible to get rid of.
    The occasional piece of software that won't work.

    But now it's gone too far. Now I get complete freeze-ups (hey, why not
    just show the old blue screen of death?), pretty darn often, so bad that
    not even Ctrl-Alt-Delete works. The boot process unexpectedly and
    inexplicably changed a few days ago and now requires me to stand by the
    computer for a minute or so and click on a User icon in order for the
    booting to complete. Recently the USB ports were not responding. Today a
    restart failed, going into some sort of freeze or endless loop, forcing
    me once again to push the power button (I'm getting very sick of doing
    that, I can tell you).

    It all adds up to an OS I simply can no longer live with. The comsmetic
    improvements over XP are trivial in the face of all these annoyances.
    Luckily I still have my original XP. I look forward to going back to the
    peace and good government of that venerable OS.

    By the way, yes, I do have a full load of anti-malware programs
    installed.
     
    des, May 19, 2008
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  2. "des" <altoswindows-vista.8.spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
    news:Xns9AA38AB47838Dlivecamq8spamgourmet@63.218.45.20...
    > After 15 months of working with Vista, I've had enough. In a couple of
    > weeks I'm going to take it into the local shop and tell them to reformat
    > the hard drive and install XP. I can't take it anymore.
    >
    > I had Vista installed last year on a brand-new computer with all the
    > hardware requirements. I thought I could live with some annoyances.
    > After all, no software is annoyance-free. The S-L-O-W file copying made
    > me grit my teeth (wasn't it great how it shaded out the Explorer window,
    > making it unusable?). All the trouble I had trying to get a webcam to
    > work in order to have video calls over the Internet - infuriating and
    > ultimately totally fruitless. The seemingly random interruptions and
    > requests for administrator access. The USB device I plugged in one time
    > leaving an icon in Windows Explorer that is impossible to get rid of.
    > The occasional piece of software that won't work.
    >
    > But now it's gone too far. Now I get complete freeze-ups (hey, why not
    > just show the old blue screen of death?), pretty darn often, so bad that
    > not even Ctrl-Alt-Delete works. The boot process unexpectedly and
    > inexplicably changed a few days ago and now requires me to stand by the
    > computer for a minute or so and click on a User icon in order for the
    > booting to complete. Recently the USB ports were not responding. Today a
    > restart failed, going into some sort of freeze or endless loop, forcing
    > me once again to push the power button (I'm getting very sick of doing
    > that, I can tell you).
    >
    > It all adds up to an OS I simply can no longer live with. The comsmetic
    > improvements over XP are trivial in the face of all these annoyances.
    > Luckily I still have my original XP. I look forward to going back to the
    > peace and good government of that venerable OS.
    >
    > By the way, yes, I do have a full load of anti-malware programs
    > installed.
    >

    Before you do that, check your hardware. Run Memtest86+ overnight and
    download and run drive manufacturers diagnostic and run it on your hard
    drive. What PSU, Make and model? What CPU and video adapter?

    Mike
     
    Michael Hawes, May 19, 2008
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  3. des

    Universe_JDJ Guest

    des wrote:

    > But now it's gone too far. Now I get complete freeze-ups (hey, why not
    > just show the old blue screen of death?), pretty darn often, so bad that
    > not even Ctrl-Alt-Delete works. The boot process unexpectedly and
    > inexplicably changed a few days ago and now requires me to stand by the
    > computer for a minute or so and click on a User icon in order for the
    > booting to complete. Recently the USB ports were not responding. Today a
    > restart failed, going into some sort of freeze or endless loop, forcing
    > me once again to push the power button (I'm getting very sick of doing
    > that, I can tell you).


    Unless you have a highly unsupported system, this isn't a Vista problem
    and can more likely be attributed to other software or hardware
    problems. And just for reference could post your system specifications?

    > By the way, yes, I do have a full load of anti-malware programs
    > installed.


    How does your system run without a "full load of anti-malware programs"
    installed?

    Most of these so called "problems" with Vista are more down to the user
    than the operating system. Many people are being very quick to blame
    every little problem with their computer directly on Vista.
     
    Universe_JDJ, May 25, 2008
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  4. des

    Lim-Dul Guest

    On 2008-05-25 15:27, Universe_JDJ wrote:
    > Most of these so called "problems" with Vista are more down to the user
    > than the operating system. Many people are being very quick to blame
    > every little problem with their computer directly on Vista.


    Oh, so true. Either that or third party developers' sloppy coding and
    software design. Many devs haven't caught up with the new OS structure
    (Vista has a completely new kernel after all) yet. Funny (or sad),
    considering Vista has been on the market for more than a year now and
    there was, again, a period of more than a year BEFORE the system's
    release where alpha or beta versions and SDK-s for developers were
    freely available...

    XP (and Win2K, which was very, VERY similar to XP - basically they
    shared the same kernel with minor differences) has been on people's PC-s
    for too long and everybody got lazy and inert. THIS is Microsoft's
    biggest fault - they should have released new OS version more quickly so
    that the whole Windows line wouldn't become stagnant but now it's too
    late... At least for Vista...

    People are moaning how XP, an OS that has been around for 7 years and
    went through 3 service packs, was and is better than a completely new,
    just 1-year old OS (remember that Vista underwent major changes "under
    the hood") to which lazy software developers failed to adapt.

    Maybe I'm the only one who had more blue-screens on Windows XP before
    all the service packs than ever, so that I decided to go back to Win2K
    for almost the whole XP lifecycle... Maybe people don't remember these
    times or were in awe of the new shiny system because they were moving
    from pseudo-OS-es like Win95, Win98 or, God forbid, WinME and not WinNT
    3.1, 4.0 and Win2K like me...

    Ah - I posted a rant recently in which I withdrew some of my comments
    about Vista's stability (which was pretty awesome up until SP1 in my
    case) after the application of SP1... Well - it turned out badly written
    codecs clashing with crappy video card drivers were responsible for the
    system lockups although I admit that they still shouldn't have affected
    the system in such a bad way, even if drivers are sitting pretty deep in
    the Windows system structure.

    Best regards,

    Lim-Dul
     
    Lim-Dul, May 25, 2008
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  5. des

    Lim-Dul Guest

    On 2008-05-26 19:31, Bob M wrote:
    > Well maybe your "lazy" developers recognised Vista for the piece of
    > crap that it is. Maybe that's why people are sticking with XP or
    > switching back to XP from Vista. Vista sucks. All Micro$oft cares about
    > is making money. They really screwed up with Vista. That's Micro$oft's
    > problem. You MS fanboys make me sick.


    Me a Microsoft fanboy? If only you knew. I guess the moment people start
    using arguments like these or write Microsoft with a "$" it's time to
    plonk somebody. ;-)

    Best regards,

    Lim-Dul
     
    Lim-Dul, May 26, 2008
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  6. des

    Universe_JDJ Guest

    Bob M wrote:
    > Well maybe your "lazy" developers recognised Vista for the piece of
    > crap that it is.


    Or they were influenced by delusion fools like yourself who simply
    followed what one or two reviewers said after the initial Vista beta
    release (and seemed to lack the knowledge and mental capacity to realise
    that it was a beta, not a final product.)

    > Maybe that's why people are sticking with XP or switching back to XP
    > from Vista.


    Those people are generally those who fail to understand the concept that
    a new operating system will not be exactly the same as an old operating
    system.

    > Vista sucks.


    This is yet another case of misdirected blame.

    > All Micro$oft cares about is making money.


    Microsoft is a company. What do you expect?

    > They really screwed up with Vista. That's Micro$oft's problem.


    They screwed up by releasing a good operating system?

    > You MS fanboys make me sick.


    I hope it's serious enough for natural selection to come into play.
     
    Universe_JDJ, May 27, 2008
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  7. des

    Lim-Dul Guest

    On 2008-05-27 08:14, Universe_JDJ wrote:
    > Or they were influenced by delusion fools like yourself who simply
    > followed what one or two reviewers said after the initial Vista beta
    > release (and seemed to lack the knowledge and mental capacity to realise
    > that it was a beta, not a final product.)


    Ha, ha - yeah, or the (in)famous graphics benchmarks with alpha drivers
    that CLEARLY showed that Vista is like 10 times slower than XP. Funny
    that recent benchmarks (look them up, e.g. here:
    http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302495,00.asp ) show that
    Vista has not only matched XP's performance but went on to become
    slightly faster than XP in some cases.

    > Those people are generally those who fail to understand the concept that
    > a new operating system will not be exactly the same as an old operating
    > system.


    ....and don't take the time to configure their OS to their liking,
    moaning about certain features they can't be bothered to simply turn
    off/turn on/change.

    I mean - get any Linux distro. Linux is hailed as THE OS by many people,
    isn't it? (Although I don't think that it can ever reach the
    user-friendliness level of MacOS or Windows so-and-so) I'm currently
    dual-booting with Kubuntu and all my additional devices at home like
    routers, fileservers and printservers are running on Linux. Try going
    with a vanilla Linux distro without configuring it, oh, I dare you.
    Especially for desktop usage. You'll be running back to your beloved XP
    in no time.

    >> Vista sucks.

    >
    > This is yet another case of misdirected blame.


    Not only that. I think that if were to ask he couldn't list 5 things
    about Vista that really do suck and can't be configured or turned off.
    One simple example: people are whining that Vista uses up so much RAM.
    Well, RAM is there to be used, NOT to sit around idly and making the
    user happy by showing him/her that he/she has 90% of free memory. When
    you launch a high priority application Vista frees up resources to boost
    its performance if you take the time to look that up. Unix-like OS-es
    behave in the same way.

    >> All Micro$oft cares about is making money.

    >
    > Microsoft is a company. What do you expect?


    Ha, ha - yes, that is a favorite of mine. Some young and/or delusional
    people living in a dream world and blaming a company for its
    profit-oriented behavior. ALL companies (except for e.g. non-profit
    organizations) in the world care ONLY about making money - it's the
    reason they exist. If they happen to be nice to their customers it's
    only because customers are the ones giving them money.
    Microsoft is quite aggressive in that regard but is certainly no
    exception to the overall rule. Besides - never forget that it's US,
    customers, who made Microsoft what it is - one of the most successful
    companies ever.

    >> They really screwed up with Vista. That's Micro$oft's problem.

    >
    > They screwed up by releasing a good operating system?


    Again, I'd like to see him compiling a list of reasons why Vista sucks
    (I could think of some because I'm a realist, not a demagogue, but I'd
    hate to spoil the fun).

    >> You MS fanboys make me sick.

    >
    > I hope it's serious enough for natural selection to come into play.


    Well - the word "fanboy" certainly is enough for my message filter to
    come into play. Reading the comments on topics like PC vs consoles, XBox
    vs PS3, Windows vs Linux, fudge vs caramel, apples vs pears etc. where
    every other sentence contains the expression "fanboy" made me realize
    that. =)

    Best regards,

    Lim-Dul
     
    Lim-Dul, May 27, 2008
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  8. des

    Spin Guest

    "Linux" <Linux.com> wrote in message
    news:...
    > It's kind of like that swiss cheese brain of yours, right?


    Or of yours.
     
    Spin, May 27, 2008
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  9. des

    Aratzio Guest

    On Tue, 27 May 2008 10:45:34 -0400, in alt.usenet.kooks, "Spin"
    <> bloviated:

    >"Linux" <Linux.com> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> It's kind of like that swiss cheese brain of yours, right?

    >
    >Or of yours.
    >


    I know you are but what am I?
     
    Aratzio, May 27, 2008
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  10. des

    gregvk Guest

    Shorter circuits <> wrote in
    news:Xns9AAD75C207FC6REC@194.177.98.144:

    > On 26 May 2008, Universe_JDJ <> posted some
    > news:g1g8ru$g26$:
    >
    >> Bob M wrote:
    >>> Well maybe your "lazy" developers recognised Vista for the piece of
    >>> crap that it is.

    >>
    >> Or they were influenced by delusion fools like yourself who simply
    >> followed what one or two reviewers said after the initial Vista beta
    >> release (and seemed to lack the knowledge and mental capacity to
    >> realise that it was a beta, not a final product.)
    >>
    >>> Maybe that's why people are sticking with XP or switching back to XP
    >>> from Vista.

    >>
    >> Those people are generally those who fail to understand the concept
    >> that a new operating system will not be exactly the same as an old
    >> operating system.

    >
    > "New" would be generally presupposed to be "better"... Cluttering up

    an
    > operating experience with the annoying death by a thousand prompts is
    > hardly progressive. Most users have no clue how to respond anyway - so
    > what was the point? It's an absolute waste of processing, memory and
    > storage resources. We buy well performing hardware to have a better
    > user experience, not feed a bloated hog of an OS. It might have been a
    > better product had Balmer not bent over and spread his cheeks for

    Intel.
    > I find that amusing. The mighty M$ catering to the smaller and
    > historically premiere manufacturer of flawed chipsets.


    But I *like* shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bloated so-called
    "operating system" that can make a brand new XPS 730 run like an old AT
    clone. And the DRM stuff seriously makes me horny; I can feel my balls
    tingling right now, as a matter of fact. I just wish it would phone home
    to Redmond more often, and do stuff like lock up the system if it can't
    get an answer. ...Maybe MS will add that to the next thing they grunt
    out. /cross fingers and prays reeeal hard
     
    gregvk, May 29, 2008
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  11. des

    PerfectReign Guest

    gregvk turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:



    >> I find that amusing. The mighty M$ catering to the smaller and
    >> historically premiere manufacturer of flawed chipsets.

    >
    > But I *like* shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bloated so-called
    > "operating system" that can make a brand new XPS 730 run like an old AT
    > clone. And the DRM stuff seriously makes me horny; I can feel my balls
    > tingling right now, as a matter of fact. I just wish it would phone home
    > to Redmond more often, and do stuff like lock up the system if it can't
    > get an answer. ...Maybe MS will add that to the next thing they grunt
    > out. /cross fingers and prays reeeal hard


    Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.opensuse.org


    --
    www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org

    powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org
     
    PerfectReign, May 29, 2008
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  12. des

    chrisv Guest

    PerfectReign wrote:
    > gregvk turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>> I find that amusing. The mighty M$ catering to the smaller and
    >>> historically premiere manufacturer of flawed chipsets.

    >>
    >> But I *like* shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bloated so-called
    >> "operating system" that can make a brand new XPS 730 run like an old
    >> AT clone. And the DRM stuff seriously makes me horny; I can feel my
    >> balls tingling right now, as a matter of fact. I just wish it would
    >> phone home to Redmond more often, and do stuff like lock up the
    >> system if it can't get an answer. ...Maybe MS will add that to the
    >> next thing they grunt out. /cross fingers and prays reeeal hard

    >
    > Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.opensuse.org


    You just assumed that he didn't need to do anything productive. Not everyone
    wants an OS that only lets one lie about what they can do with it.
     
    chrisv, May 30, 2008
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  13. des

    FrozenNorth Guest

    ThePsyko wrote:

    > On 29 May 2008 I stormed the castle called alt.2600 and heard
    > PerfectReign cry out in news:...
    >
    >> gregvk turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>> I find that amusing. The mighty M$ catering to the smaller and
    >>>> historically premiere manufacturer of flawed chipsets.
    >>>
    >>> But I *like* shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bloated so-called
    >>> "operating system" that can make a brand new XPS 730 run like an old
    >>> AT clone. And the DRM stuff seriously makes me horny; I can feel my
    >>> balls tingling right now, as a matter of fact. I just wish it would
    >>> phone home to Redmond more often, and do stuff like lock up the
    >>> system if it can't get an answer. ...Maybe MS will add that to the
    >>> next thing they grunt out. /cross fingers and prays reeeal hard

    >>
    >> Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.opensuse.org
    >>
    >>

    >
    > www.goodbye-microsoft.com
    >
    > can't be any easier than that :)
    >

    http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors

    Never gave the Debian one a try, but Ubuntu has one now too, scroll way down
    to the bottom of that page and go for a Wubi install.

    It works as advertised, I did a trial install, ran quite well, shows up in
    Add/Remove progs for a complete uninstall if you want to blow it out.

    --
    Froz...
     
    FrozenNorth, May 30, 2008
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  14. des

    gregvk Guest

    PerfectReign <> wrote in
    news::

    > gregvk turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>> I find that amusing. The mighty M$ catering to the smaller and
    >>> historically premiere manufacturer of flawed chipsets.

    >>
    >> But I *like* shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bloated so-called
    >> "operating system" that can make a brand new XPS 730 run like an old
    >> AT clone. And the DRM stuff seriously makes me horny; I can feel my
    >> balls tingling right now, as a matter of fact. I just wish it would
    >> phone home to Redmond more often, and do stuff like lock up the
    >> system if it can't get an answer. ...Maybe MS will add that to the
    >> next thing they grunt out. /cross fingers and prays reeeal hard

    >
    > Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.opensuse.org


    Actually, I downloaded that DVD over the weekend. Took 45 hours at DSL
    speed. LOL

    The damn thing has around 8-10 packages that fail the veracity test during
    installation, and it doesn't like my NIC. /frown
     
    gregvk, May 30, 2008
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  15. des

    Lim-Dul Guest

    On 2008-05-30 00:32, ThePsyko wrote:
    >>>> Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.opensuse.org
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>> www.goodbye-microsoft.com
    >>>
    >>> can't be any easier than that :)
    >>>

    >> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
    >>
    >> Never gave the Debian one a try, but Ubuntu has one now too, scroll
    >> way down to the bottom of that page and go for a Wubi install.
    >>
    >> It works as advertised, I did a trial install, ran quite well, shows
    >> up in Add/Remove progs for a complete uninstall if you want to blow it
    >> out.
    >>

    >
    > I already have the ubunti workstation and server CDs along with the
    > XUbuntu cd.. been playing with it quite a lot here :)


    Woohoo - here comes the inevitable Linux vs Windows topic. ;-)
    Actually I'm currently dual-booting with Kubuntu on one of my computers
    and plugging in SLAX quite often because it loads from a nice USB stick
    (so I can quickly get rid of it when Linux starts driving me nuts :p).
    Also, all my network devices like routers, print- and fileservers are
    running on Linux BUT I'd never EVER choose Linux over Windows for normal
    desktop usage. MacOS X, maybe, but the software compatibility is putting
    me off.

    I'd never ever choose any MS Office alternative over "the real thing"
    either - accept that as coming from a professional
    writer/journalist/translator. Boy, I've been trying to switch to e.g.
    OpennOffice for like a year (previously StarOffice at a different
    occasion and even Lotus Smart Suite, now Lotus Symphony) and I was
    really glad when I was able to go back to MS Office. ;-)

    Best regards,

    Lim-Dul
     
    Lim-Dul, May 30, 2008
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  16. des

    gregvk Guest

    "chrisv" <> wrote in
    news:037fd0cc$0$3243$:

    > PerfectReign wrote:
    >> gregvk turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>> I find that amusing. The mighty M$ catering to the smaller and
    >>>> historically premiere manufacturer of flawed chipsets.
    >>>
    >>> But I *like* shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bloated
    >>> so-called "operating system" that can make a brand new XPS 730 run
    >>> like an old AT clone. And the DRM stuff seriously makes me horny; I
    >>> can feel my balls tingling right now, as a matter of fact. I just
    >>> wish it would phone home to Redmond more often, and do stuff like
    >>> lock up the system if it can't get an answer. ...Maybe MS will add
    >>> that to the next thing they grunt out. /cross fingers and prays
    >>> reeeal hard

    >>
    >> Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.opensuse.org

    >
    > You just assumed that he didn't need to do anything productive. Not
    > everyone wants an OS that only lets one lie about what they can do
    > with it.


    You obviously haven't checked out OpenOffice lately. When I first looked
    at it (something like 8-9 years ago) I thought it sucked. But I revisited
    it again a couple months ago and discovered that it has matured into a very
    fine application suite. I've been using OO Writer and OO Calc instead of
    Word and Excel for almost a month, now, and I am very pleased.
     
    gregvk, May 30, 2008
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  17. des

    Lim-Dul Guest

    On 2008-05-30 03:23, gregvk wrote:
    > You obviously haven't checked out OpenOffice lately. When I first looked
    > at it (something like 8-9 years ago) I thought it sucked. But I revisited
    > it again a couple months ago and discovered that it has matured into a very
    > fine application suite. I've been using OO Writer and OO Calc instead of
    > Word and Excel for almost a month, now, and I am very pleased.


    Oh, I have checked OO like half a year ago. In fact I regularly check
    Office alternatives only to give up and go back to Microsoft's suite.
    I've written that several posts above (alt.os.windows-vista - no idea
    why this thread has now spread over 4 groups...).

    On the surface everything looks fine but then 90% of Office users use
    only 10% of each program's features so they're not likely to notice even
    if they were given Wordpad instead of Word. I, being a professional
    writer/journalist/translator, notice many annoyances and missing
    features I can hardly do without almost immediately...

    Best regards,

    Lim-Dul
     
    Lim-Dul, May 30, 2008
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  18. PerfectReign wrote:
    > gregvk turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >>> I find that amusing. The mighty M$ catering to the smaller and
    >>> historically premiere manufacturer of flawed chipsets.

    >> But I *like* shelling out hundreds of dollars for a bloated so-called
    >> "operating system" that can make a brand new XPS 730 run like an old AT
    >> clone. And the DRM stuff seriously makes me horny; I can feel my balls
    >> tingling right now, as a matter of fact. I just wish it would phone home
    >> to Redmond more often, and do stuff like lock up the system if it can't
    >> get an answer. ...Maybe MS will add that to the next thing they grunt
    >> out. /cross fingers and prays reeeal hard

    >
    > Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.apple.com
    >
    >

    I fixed your error for you. You don't have to thank me.
     
    Rev Turd Fredericks, May 30, 2008
    #18
  19. des

    gregvk Guest

    Lim-Dul <> wrote in
    news:483f6c1a$0$15068$:

    > On 2008-05-30 03:23, gregvk wrote:
    >> You obviously haven't checked out OpenOffice lately. When I first
    >> looked at it (something like 8-9 years ago) I thought it sucked. But
    >> I revisited it again a couple months ago and discovered that it has
    >> matured into a very fine application suite. I've been using OO
    >> Writer and OO Calc instead of Word and Excel for almost a month, now,
    >> and I am very pleased.

    >
    > Oh, I have checked OO like half a year ago. In fact I regularly check
    > Office alternatives only to give up and go back to Microsoft's suite.
    > I've written that several posts above (alt.os.windows-vista - no idea
    > why this thread has now spread over 4 groups...).
    >
    > On the surface everything looks fine but then 90% of Office users use
    > only 10% of each program's features so they're not likely to notice
    > even if they were given Wordpad instead of Word. I, being a
    > professional writer/journalist/translator, notice many annoyances and
    > missing features I can hardly do without almost immediately...


    The two suites are always going to be somewhat different; one cannot
    simply copy Office and slap a new name on it and give it away for free.
    That would be pointless, not to mention illegal.

    The "acid test" IMO is whether the two suites are interoperable to the
    degree that one can pass documents back and forth between Word/Writer and
    Excel/Calc without having to spend five minutes fixing them every time.
    ....So far, so good, at least in my world. I'm sure there are formatting
    differences in OO that Office cannot understand, and vice versa, but they
    must involve fairly obscure features because I haven't noticed them yet.

    I haven't messed with Impress/PowerPoint or Base/Access, yet. My guess
    is that I would be able to pass files back and forth between Impress and
    PowerPoint without much (if any) trouble, but not between Base and
    Access. I don't think there's a standard format for database files, so
    Access probably uses some proprietary format that MS won't describe to
    anybody.
     
    gregvk, May 30, 2008
    #19
  20. des

    gregvk Guest

    Rev Turd Fredericks <> wrote in
    news:2VK%j.346413$:
    >>
    >> Just upgrade to a *real* OS - www.apple.com
    >>
    >>

    > I fixed your error for you. You don't have to thank me.


    Apple? In order to do that I'd have to get my balls chopped off and get
    fitted for a pink chiffon dress, first. Not gonna happen.
     
    gregvk, May 30, 2008
    #20
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