Quote without >

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Jeffbie, Jan 20, 2012.

  1. Jeffbie

    Jeffbie Guest

    Hello,
    I'm a new user of Windows Live Mail ...
    When answering to newsgroup messages, WLM doesn't add the symbol > at
    the beginning of each quoted line and my answers are all unreadable for
    the users !
    Any idea of the fixing i have to apply, please ?
     
    Jeffbie, Jan 20, 2012
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  2. Jeffbie

    Bruce Hagen Guest

    "Jeffbie" <> wrote in message
    news:4f191c0f$0$670$...
    > Hello,
    > I'm a new user of Windows Live Mail ...
    > When answering to newsgroup messages, WLM doesn't add the symbol > at
    > the beginning of each quoted line and my answers are all unreadable for
    > the users !
    > Any idea of the fixing i have to apply, please ?
    >



    Find another newsreader. Microsoft did away with the quote marks in V:
    2011.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
    Imperial Beach, CA
     
    Bruce Hagen, Jan 20, 2012
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  3. Jeffbie

    R. C. White Guest

    Hi, Jeffbie.

    If you read a few of the messages in this newsgroup (especially the replies
    from ...winston), you will see that this is probably the most-discussed
    issue with WLM 2011 (aka WLM 15 or Wave 4 or Build 15.4.3538.0513). Earlier
    builds of WLM had other problems, but not this one.

    In short, Microsoft noted this problem just before they released this latest
    build, but they decided that it was easier to remove the ">" than to fix the
    problem. That is the most glaring of several short-sighted decisions they
    made for this build, which is still the latest available.

    You and I can't fix the program so we have to rely on workarounds.
    Personally, I just quote parts of the prior message and manually add the ">
    ". I've found that if I quote a multiple-line paragraph and remove its line
    breaks, then a single "> " before the first line will cause all the lines in
    the quoted paragraph to have the "> " as well.

    Many users have refused to use WLM 2011 because of this, but I've chosen to
    make the manual adjustments and keep using it. Also, some users of other
    newsreaders say they will kill-file anyone who uses WLM 2011. :>(

    RC
    --
    R. C. White, CPA
    San Marcos, TX

    Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
    Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


    "Jeffbie" wrote in message news:4f191c0f$0$670$...

    Hello,
    I'm a new user of Windows Live Mail ...
    When answering to newsgroup messages, WLM doesn't add the symbol > at
    the beginning of each quoted line and my answers are all unreadable for
    the users !
    Any idea of the fixing i have to apply, please ?
     
    R. C. White, Jan 20, 2012
    #3
  4. Jeffbie

    Evan Platt Guest

    On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:47:26 +0100, Jeffbie <> wrote:

    >Hello,
    >I'm a new user of Windows Live Mail ...
    >When answering to newsgroup messages, WLM doesn't add the symbol > at
    >the beginning of each quoted line and my answers are all unreadable for
    >the users !
    >Any idea of the fixing i have to apply, please ?


    Easy answer: Get a program that works.

    More difficult answer: Install WLM Quote Fix.
    http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/
    --
    To reply via e-mail, remove The Obvious and .invalid from my e-mail address.
     
    Evan Platt, Jan 20, 2012
    #4
  5. Jeffbie

    Leala Guest

    On 20-Jan-2012 09:33, Evan Platt wrote:
    > On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:47:26 +0100, Jeffbie<> wrote:
    >
    >> Hello,
    >> I'm a new user of Windows Live Mail ...
    >> When answering to newsgroup messages, WLM doesn't add the symbol> at
    >> the beginning of each quoted line and my answers are all unreadable for
    >> the users !
    >> Any idea of the fixing i have to apply, please ?

    >
    > Easy answer: Get a program that works.
    >
    > More difficult answer: Install WLM Quote Fix.
    > http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/


    Worst piece of cr*p I have ever seen.
    Use a different newsreader.

    --
    Leala.
     
    Leala, Jan 20, 2012
    #5
  6. Jeffbie

    ...winston Guest

    Feature removed in the last private and public beta and not returned to the RTM release (nor has it been restored in subsequent QFE
    releases, currently QFE2).

    Why was it removed ? The primary reasons.
    1. Microsoft moving away from support for nttp (plain text)
    2. Microsoft's largest (approaching 0.4 billion users) free email client to support is Hotmail (not OE, Windows Mail, WLM) -
    Hotmail (for mail replies) provides the prepend '>' option for plain text responses.
    3. Removing the '>' in WLM allows Windows Live Support to not address the issue, effectively requiring one single response from all
    support personnel. - Design Intent, Won't Fix.

    If you need the '>' feature and wish to use WLM
    - revert to 2009 on Vista or Win7 (but note it has its own weaknesses and is no
    longer being updated - May 2010 was the last (ever) released build - QFE3.
    - 2009 can only be installed if all 2011 programs are removed (no mix and match, no presence of prior version) - backup accounts,
    contacts and messages before removing 2011. (2011 is smart enough to migrate 2009 data, 2009 does not migrate 2011 data).

    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "Jeffbie" wrote in message news:4f191c0f$0$670$...

    Hello,
    I'm a new user of Windows Live Mail ...
    When answering to newsgroup messages, WLM doesn't add the symbol > at
    the beginning of each quoted line and my answers are all unreadable for
    the users !
    Any idea of the fixing i have to apply, please ?
     
    ...winston, Jan 20, 2012
    #6
  7. Jeffbie

    Jeffbie Guest

    R. C. White a écrit :
    > Hi, Jeffbie.


    > If you read a few of the messages in this newsgroup (especially the replies
    > from ...winston), you will see that this is probably the most-discussed issue
    > with WLM 2011 (aka WLM 15 or Wave 4 or Build 15.4.3538.0513). Earlier builds
    > of WLM had other problems, but not this one.


    > In short, Microsoft noted this problem just before they released this latest
    > build, but they decided that it was easier to remove the ">" than to fix the
    > problem. That is the most glaring of several short-sighted decisions they
    > made for this build, which is still the latest available.


    > You and I can't fix the program so we have to rely on workarounds.
    > Personally, I just quote parts of the prior message and manually add the ">
    > ". I've found that if I quote a multiple-line paragraph and remove its line
    > breaks, then a single "> " before the first line will cause all the lines in
    > the quoted paragraph to have the "> " as well.


    > Many users have refused to use WLM 2011 because of this, but I've chosen to
    > make the manual adjustments and keep using it. Also, some users of other
    > newsreaders say they will kill-file anyone who uses WLM 2011. :>(


    Thanks to you and all others for answers.
    I used OE years ago with the help of OE-Quotefix but well ... that was
    a poor solution.
    That's why i finally found that newsreader called MesNews i'm now been
    using for years, also existing in many different languages.
    But for some reason, i need to use WLM for answering to a few groups.

    As i understand the answers, i have no real solution with WLM except in
    adding the >'s one by one ; i've looked at the other solutions but they
    seem to me being what we call in France (where i'm living) "a gasplant"
    because way too heavy for a so small use !

    So, i think i'll keep my very dear MesNews for the 99% of my answers
    and considering the 1% i need WLM for, i'll do it by hand, thanks to
    Microsoft.
     
    Jeffbie, Jan 20, 2012
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  8. Jeffbie

    BillW50 Guest

    "Bruce Hagen" <> wrote in message
    news:jfbtfr$h6h$...
    > Find another newsreader. Microsoft did away with the quote marks in V:
    > 2011.


    What other newsreaders has "Show replies to my messages [CTRL-H]"? This
    is the most basic feature of a newsreader. And how come nobody but
    Microsoft was smart enough to include it?

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009
    Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7 SP1
     
    BillW50, Mar 28, 2012
    #8
  9. Jeffbie

    BillW50 Guest

    "Leala" <> wrote in message
    news:jfc583$t9a$...
    > On 20-Jan-2012 09:33, Evan Platt wrote:
    >> More difficult answer: Install WLM Quote Fix.
    >> http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

    >
    > Worst piece of cr*p I have ever seen.
    > Use a different newsreader.


    I have used dozens of newsreaders Leala. And I hate to tell you this,
    but they are *all* crap!

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009
    Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7 SP1
     
    BillW50, Mar 28, 2012
    #9
  10. Jeffbie

    Magnus Guest

    On 3/28/2012 5:38 PM, BillW50 wrote:
    > "Bruce Hagen"<> wrote in message
    > news:jfbtfr$h6h$...
    >> > Find another newsreader. Microsoft did away with the quote marks in V:
    >> > 2011.

    > What other newsreaders has "Show replies to my messages [CTRL-H]"? This
    > is the most basic feature of a newsreader. And how come nobody but
    > Microsoft was smart enough to include it?


    LOL
     
    Magnus, Mar 29, 2012
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