Re: Reminder - Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Community

Discussion in 'Windows Live Mail' started by Pavel A., Sep 2, 2010.

  1. Pavel A.

    Pavel A. Guest

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Pavel A., Sep 2, 2010
    #1
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  2. They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden, Sep 2, 2010
    #2
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  3. Pavel A.

    Pavel A. Guest

    But they do! This just happened to NG they clobbered recently,
    that I was subscribed to, such as m.p.windows.networking.wireless and
    others - all locally stored messages disappeared.
    Good that Google still carries archives of these NG.
    -- pa


    "Art [artfudd] Folden" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    > emails are mine, my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "Pavel A." wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > Did you know?
    > WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    > disappears from the server.
    > Back up messages you'd like to save.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --pa
    >
     
    Pavel A., Sep 3, 2010
    #3
  4. Pavel A.

    Bruce Hagen Guest

    Newsreaders only 'mirror' what is on the server. If you want to keep posts
    longer, you need to move them to a folder on your HDD.
    --
    Bruce Hagen
    MS-MVP [Mail]
    Imperial Beach, CA


    "Art [artfudd] Folden" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    > emails are mine, my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are
    > MS's.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "Pavel A." wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > Did you know?
    > WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    > disappears from the server.
    > Back up messages you'd like to save.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --pa
    >
     
    Bruce Hagen, Sep 3, 2010
    #4
  5. Pavel A.

    Don Dewiel Guest

    +1. Have amassed quite a few over the years.
    --
    Don

    "Bruce Hagen" <> wrote in message
    news:i5pgqg$qrc$-september.org...
    > Newsreaders only 'mirror' what is on the server. If you want to keep posts
    > longer, you need to move them to a folder on your HDD.
    > --
    > Bruce Hagen
    > MS-MVP [Mail]
    > Imperial Beach, CA
    >
    >
    > "Art [artfudd] Folden" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    >> emails are mine, my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are
    >> MS's.
    >>
    >> Art [artfudd] Folden
    >> I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    >> ----------------------------------------------
    >> "Pavel A." wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>
    >> Did you know?
    >> WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    >> disappears from the server.
    >> Back up messages you'd like to save.
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >> --pa
    >>

    >
     
    Don Dewiel, Sep 3, 2010
    #5
  6. Pavel A.

    ...winston Guest

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    ...winston, Sep 3, 2010
    #6
  7. I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Art [artfudd] Folden, Sep 3, 2010
    #7
  8. Pavel A.

    Magnus Guest

    It's "sync" — not "download". IMAP is similar. Dropbox, too.

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    > discontinued, but I thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I
    > guess not.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "...winston" wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.
    >
    > --
    > ...winston
    > ms-mvp mail
    >
    > "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    > emails are mine,
    > my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "Pavel A." wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > Did you know?
    > WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    > disappears from the server.
    > Back up messages you'd like to save.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --pa
     
    Magnus, Sep 4, 2010
    #8
  9. Pavel A.

    ...winston Guest

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder). The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org, eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    ...winston, Sep 5, 2010
    #9
  10. Pavel A.

    ...winston Guest

    Not necessarily...see my response to Art.
    Fyi...WLM can't sync with something that doesn't exist or is not accessible nor does that inability initiate deletion of previously downloaded and save messages to one's hard drive.


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Magnus" wrote in message news:...

    It's "sync" — not "download". IMAP is similar. Dropbox, too.

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being discontinued, but I thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "...winston" wrote in message news:...
    >
    > Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.
    >
    > --
    > ...winston
    > ms-mvp mail
    >
    > "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message news:...
    >
    > They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded emails are mine,
    > my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "Pavel A." wrote in message news:...
    >
    > Did you know?
    > WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    > disappears from the server.
    > Back up messages you'd like to save.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --pa
     
    ...winston, Sep 5, 2010
    #10
  11. Pavel A.

    Megabyte Guest

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new servers
    even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.


    <quote below>

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't
    sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded
    messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this
    server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do
    not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your
    hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message
    news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Megabyte, Sep 6, 2010
    #11
  12. There is uncertainty whether Microsoft MVPs like myself will continue
    to receive 'credit' for answering questions in the newsgroups after
    Microsoft withdraws support from them. It would be a strong disincentive
    for us to continue donating our time and talent in the newsgroups.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:9V8ho.566$89.474@edtnps83...

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new servers
    even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.


    <quote below>

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't
    sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded
    messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this
    server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do
    not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your
    hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message
    news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Sep 6, 2010
    #12
  13. Pavel A.

    Magnus Guest

    Consider it "pro bono" :)

    "Gary VanderMolen" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > There is uncertainty whether Microsoft MVPs like myself will continue
    > to receive 'credit' for answering questions in the newsgroups after
    > Microsoft withdraws support from them. It would be a strong disincentive
    > for us to continue donating our time and talent in the newsgroups.
    >
    > Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    > ------------------------------------------------------
    >
    > "Megabyte" wrote in message news:9V8ho.566$89.474@edtnps83...
    >
    > Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    > hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    > won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new
    > servers
    > even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    > forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    > MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.
    >
    >
    > <quote below>
    >
    > "...winston" wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    > will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned
    > condition
    > - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    > and copy regularly)
    >
    >
    > Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    > server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    > 0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    > respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    > The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    > importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    > select properties)
    >
    > What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    > computer ?
    > 1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    > 2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    > clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    > 3. Resetting the news group
    > 4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    > download news messages)
    >
    > What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    > 5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    > 6. Newsgroup closure
    >
    > The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    > server disappearing entirely.
    > Which raises a few questions..
    > a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    > b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    > server is not accessible.
    >
    > We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    > downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it
    > can't
    > sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    > have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    > syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    > doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    > DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.
    >
    > If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    > letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously
    > downloaded
    > messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    > not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    > present.
    >
    > I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    > different.
    >
    > Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    > alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    > eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on
    > this
    > server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    > Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    > messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    > may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    > valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    > also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.
    >
    > What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    > available..
    > - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages
    > ***do
    > not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    > - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    > without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on
    > your
    > hard drive!
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > ...winston
    > ms-mvp mail
    >
    > "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    > discontinued, but I
    > thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "...winston" wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.
    >
    > --
    > ...winston
    > ms-mvp mail
    >
    > "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    > emails are mine,
    > my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.
    >
    > Art [artfudd] Folden
    > I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    > ----------------------------------------------
    > "Pavel A." wrote in message
    > news:...
    >
    > Did you know?
    > WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    > disappears from the server.
    > Back up messages you'd like to save.
    >
    > Regards,
    > --pa
    >
     
    Magnus, Sep 6, 2010
    #13
  14. Pavel A.

    Megabyte Guest

    I think part of the reason for that Winston is that Microsoft's reminder
    messages seem to imply that the group is closing or being shut down. That
    is pure BS as it is really only Microsoft's news servers that are being shut
    down. There are free news servers to access, ISP news servers and I'm using
    Individual.net that gives you access to all text newsgroups for roughly $12
    per year.

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    I covered that potential by comparing other closed Live groups(one that had
    a consistent daily post count for the most widely used Live application,
    WLMsgr and another with much lower post count, WLPhotoGallery)..the activity
    on alternative servers still carrying those closed nttp groups is about
    nihil.

    Whether or not that holds true for this group on alternate servers will be
    made clear relatively soon.


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:9V8ho.566$89.474@edtnps83...

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new servers
    even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.


    <quote below>

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't
    sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded
    messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this
    server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do
    not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your
    hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message
    news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Megabyte, Sep 6, 2010
    #14
  15. Pavel A.

    Megabyte Guest

    I thought the MVP program was targeted at recognizing individuals in the
    Microsoft related newsgroups that voluntarily contributed a great deal, not
    as a bribe or payment for posting? Usenet seems to survive without the need
    for MVPs' so I suspect this and other Usenet groups that MS started will do
    so as well.

    ----

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
    news:...

    There is uncertainty whether Microsoft MVPs like myself will continue
    to receive 'credit' for answering questions in the newsgroups after
    Microsoft withdraws support from them. It would be a strong disincentive
    for us to continue donating our time and talent in the newsgroups.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:9V8ho.566$89.474@edtnps83...

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new servers
    even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.


    <quote below>

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't
    sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded
    messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this
    server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do
    not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your
    hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message
    news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Megabyte, Sep 6, 2010
    #15
  16. What sorts of "credit" do MVP's receive?

    Discounts on MS products?

    Nancy

    "PA Bear, MS MVP" wrote in message
    news:...

    Surely you're not doing this just for the MVP-related "credit," Gary?

    Even if you are, don't you receive "credit" for assisting users in the
    various Windows Live Mail-specific forums (http://windowslivehelp.com/
    forums.aspx?productid=15) even if they are clunky-as-h3ll and not
    accessible via NNTP Bridge?
    --
    ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
    MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

    Gary VanderMolen wrote:

    > There is uncertainty whether Microsoft MVPs like myself will continue
    > to receive 'credit' for answering questions in the newsgroups after
    > Microsoft withdraws support from them. It would be a strong disincentive
    > for us to continue donating our time and talent in the newsgroups.

    <snippage>
     
    Nancy Jackman, Sep 7, 2010
    #16
  17. I started helping people in newsgroups long before I even knew what an
    MVP was. However, all other things being equal, and my available
    time being limited, wouldn't I as an MVP be motivated to help out in
    Microsoft forums rather than the newsgroups deprecated by Microsoft?
    Either way I'm still helping the same number of end users.
    --
    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:6Jcho.578$89.512@edtnps83...

    I thought the MVP program was targeted at recognizing individuals in the
    Microsoft related newsgroups that voluntarily contributed a great deal, not
    as a bribe or payment for posting? Usenet seems to survive without the need
    for MVPs' so I suspect this and other Usenet groups that MS started will do
    so as well.

    ----

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
    news:...

    There is uncertainty whether Microsoft MVPs like myself will continue
    to receive 'credit' for answering questions in the newsgroups after
    Microsoft withdraws support from them. It would be a strong disincentive
    for us to continue donating our time and talent in the newsgroups.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:9V8ho.566$89.474@edtnps83...

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new servers
    even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.


    <quote below>

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't
    sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded
    messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this
    server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do
    not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your
    hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message
    news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    Gary VanderMolen, Sep 7, 2010
    #17
  18. Pavel A.

    ...winston Guest

    Megabyte,
    This group is on Msft server and is being shutdown.
    Yes, it will still be present on alternative nttp clients as will other nntp Microsoft related subject specific groups not fed by or archived from Msft's server.

    As noted before..other high volume groups on this server have disappeared(this is not the first Msft news server to be shutdown, some may recall msnnews), remain available elsewhere and with significant reduction in usage.

    The most notable incoming posts to disappear(first) will be all the posts from the web CDO interface(no nttp also means no web community interface) which then can't/won't be fed to the nntp server for archiving on other nttp servers attempting to pull from a nonexistent feed.

    One can go wherever they please...other nttp servers free or fee...but it would be overly presumptuous imo to expect everyone to show up.....i.e. It's just not going to happen.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:DBcho.577$89.507@edtnps83...

    I think part of the reason for that Winston is that Microsoft's reminder
    messages seem to imply that the group is closing or being shut down. That
    is pure BS as it is really only Microsoft's news servers that are being shut
    down. There are free news servers to access, ISP news servers and I'm using
    Individual.net that gives you access to all text newsgroups for roughly $12
    per year.

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    I covered that potential by comparing other closed Live groups(one that had
    a consistent daily post count for the most widely used Live application,
    WLMsgr and another with much lower post count, WLPhotoGallery)..the activity
    on alternative servers still carrying those closed nttp groups is about
    nihil.

    Whether or not that holds true for this group on alternate servers will be
    made clear relatively soon.


    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:9V8ho.566$89.474@edtnps83...

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new servers
    even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.


    <quote below>

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't
    sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded
    messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this
    server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do
    not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your
    hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message
    news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    ...winston, Sep 7, 2010
    #18
  19. Pavel A.

    ...winston Guest

    Your definition is too narrow.
    Microsoft seeks to recognized individuals and awards MVP status for sharing knowledge in technology communities supporting Microsoft products thereby increasing the skill level of all readers of those communities.

    It would be a fair to assume that Microsoft has the right to determine what communities apply and how much weight is given to each type of community(be it group, forum, blog, etc).

    With Msft deprecating nttp and providing an alternative forum(on their server)for these same groups...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where future weighing might lie.

    Imo, people that like to share their knowledge and help others(not just MVPs) will migrate to the easiest place to accomplish that task....with declining nttp usage on many fronts, other nttp servers may not be the first choice.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:6Jcho.578$89.512@edtnps83...

    I thought the MVP program was targeted at recognizing individuals in the
    Microsoft related newsgroups that voluntarily contributed a great deal, not
    as a bribe or payment for posting? Usenet seems to survive without the need
    for MVPs' so I suspect this and other Usenet groups that MS started will do
    so as well.

    ----

    "Gary VanderMolen" wrote in message
    news:...

    There is uncertainty whether Microsoft MVPs like myself will continue
    to receive 'credit' for answering questions in the newsgroups after
    Microsoft withdraws support from them. It would be a strong disincentive
    for us to continue donating our time and talent in the newsgroups.

    Gary VanderMolen, Microsoft MVP (Mail)
    ------------------------------------------------------

    "Megabyte" wrote in message news:9V8ho.566$89.474@edtnps83...

    Wouldn't it just be simpler to switch to a non-Microsoft News Server that
    hosts these same groups where Microsoft's departure from NNTP newsgroups
    won't matter at all? These groups will continue on at numerous new servers
    even if MS wants to ignore them and try to ram their web based support
    forums down everyone's throats. I for one have no intention of ever using
    MS's web based support forums so long live NNTP newsgroups.


    <quote below>

    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    My prior suggestion is still valid since anyone wishing to ensure content
    will remain available regardless of any other planned or unplanned condition
    - archive to storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive(ie.. copy
    and copy regularly)


    Here's what has happened with the closure or other newsgroups(on this
    server) that have preceded closure of this group's eventual closure.
    0. Messages will be retained on your hard drive as *.nws files in the
    respective Windows Explorer folder(server name and newsgroup subfolder).
    The server name is the name that you gave to the server when creating or
    importing the iaf file(to see yours rt click the server, not newsgroup and
    select properties)

    What will actually delete downloaded messages saved as *.nws files on your
    computer ?
    1. User deleting the folder and/or messages via Windows Explorer
    2. Removing the news server account in the Accounts options or right
    clicking the server name and selecting Remove
    3. Resetting the news group
    4. Clicking Cleanup Now on the OptionsAdvanced tab(cleans out previous
    download news messages)

    What apparently will not delete downloaded messages
    5. Unsubscribing to a newsgroup
    6. Newsgroup closure

    The above is based on a newsgroup disappearing from the server, not the
    server disappearing entirely.
    Which raises a few questions..
    a. What happens to the server account in WLM if the server is not present
    b. Does WLM react differently when a server is not available vs. when a
    server is not accessible.

    We do know that when a server is not accessible, WLM doesn't delete any
    downloaded stored messages present in its hard drive message store..it can't
    sync and it doesn't reindex and wipe everything out, if it did, one would
    have to download everything anew..... thus the inference that its like
    syncing IMAP doesn't appear necessarily true. In the same token, WLM
    doesn't delete downloaded stored messages for a Hotmail account(setup as
    DeltaSync) when the server is not accessible.

    If one temporarily changes a news server name(e.g. add an extra
    letter)...the server and groups can't be accessed but previously downloaded
    messages are not deleted. Thus if the server is no longer available it may
    not be any different that when a server is not available or no longer
    present.

    I'm willing to entertain any comments on why any of the above would be
    different.

    Separately....a lot of folks have expressed or suggested going to
    alternative nntp servers that carry this group(e.g. aioe.org,
    eternal.september etc)...maybe a previously relatively active group on this
    server is an example of the future. That group being the Windows Live
    Messenger newsgroup...fyi..since closure, aioe.org yields about 2 dozen
    messages since the groups closure circa July 1. I.e. alternative servers
    may exist, but a significant drop off of all prior readers is a real and
    valid possibility. In the same vein the Windows Live PhotoGallery group is
    also present on aioe.org and yields 'zero' posts.

    What does all the above mean once this server and group are no longer
    available..
    - if you have any desire to not lose any previously download messages ***do
    not perform steps 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 as noted above!
    - in advance of group closure....copy/archive and copy/archive regularly
    without hesitation to your WLM Storage folders and/or other location on your
    hard drive!



    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    I guess that is what I have done in the past when NGs were being
    discontinued, but I
    thought whatever was already downloaded remained... I guess not.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "...winston" wrote in message news:...

    Archive to the Storage folders or elsewhere on your hard drive.

    --
    ....winston
    ms-mvp mail

    "Art [artfudd] Folden" wrote in message
    news:...

    They better not... what I download to my computer is mine. My downloaded
    emails are mine,
    my downloaded newsgroup posts are mine.... none are MS's.

    Art [artfudd] Folden
    I'm a PC and Windows 7 sucks less!
    ----------------------------------------------
    "Pavel A." wrote in message
    news:...

    Did you know?
    WLM will automagically delete all downloaded messages as soon as the NG
    disappears from the server.
    Back up messages you'd like to save.

    Regards,
    --pa
     
    ...winston, Sep 7, 2010
    #19
  20. > Imo, people that like to share their knowledge and help others(not just
    > MVPs) will migrate to the easiest place to accomplish that task....



    "Easiest place" counterexample: WLSC. <eg>


    ---
     
    Robert Aldwinckle, Sep 7, 2010
    #20
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