Will a TV tuner play live TV on an onboard video PC?

Discussion in 'Windows Media Center' started by davexnet, Jul 23, 2009.

  1. davexnet

    davexnet Guest

    Hi,
    I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    Media Center application, the analog input channels
    (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.

    However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    certain channels cause the problem.

    Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.

    I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    This is my motherboard -
    http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    thanks for any assistance.
    davexnet, Jul 23, 2009
    #1
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  2. davexnet

    Walford Guest

    What revision level of what OS are you running?
    When you say you loaded that latest drivers and Avers application did you
    obtain them from the AverMedia Website?
    Were you able to get the Avers application to play digital channels?
    If not I suggest that you do since if you can't get it to work Windows MC
    will not play them either?
    Can you use the guide to record a digital channel and play it later?

    "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    news:#...
    > Hi,
    > I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    > combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    > Media Center application, the analog input channels
    > (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.
    >
    > However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    > (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    > it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    > (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    > it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    > switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    > display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    > task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    > 480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    > certain channels cause the problem.
    >
    > Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    > onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.
    >
    > I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    > Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    > AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    > This is my motherboard -
    > http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    > thanks for any assistance.
    >
    >
    >
    Walford, Jul 23, 2009
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  3. davexnet

    jolt Guest

    The nvidia 6100 does not support HD video acceleration, coupled with the use
    of a 2.2 GHz. cpu explains the inability to properly process a HD stream.
    The easiest and least expensive way to overcome this would be to upgrade to
    a video card that supports HDVA. My experience with a motherboard with
    onboard nVidia 6150 which does supports HDVA was that 720p was the max
    output resolution it would support before it displayed the same results you
    are experiencing



    "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > Hi,
    > I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    > combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    > Media Center application, the analog input channels
    > (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.
    >
    > However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    > (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    > it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    > (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    > it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    > switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    > display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    > task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    > 480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    > certain channels cause the problem.
    >
    > Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    > onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.
    >
    > I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    > Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    > AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    > This is my motherboard -
    > http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    > thanks for any assistance.
    >
    >
    >
    jolt, Jul 23, 2009
    #3
  4. davexnet

    davexnet Guest

    I'm perfectly able to play 720p downloaded to a file on the harddrive and
    played in Windows media player - is there a difference?
    Secondly, I'm not playing it full screen, but in a smallish window - is
    there a difference?

    Here's the other odd thing: My box is dual boot, xp sp3 and vista sp2.
    Those symptoms I described occur in XP SP3. I'm using the latest version
    of Aver media center as advised by the company, version 175 available from
    their FTP site.

    I've also tried the card in Vista with Vista Media Center and TV Pack
    installed.
    In that setup, the HD channels play without locking up, but the analog
    channels
    have a problem. After a few seconds of watching an analog station, the
    image pixelates, freezes, then the sound turns into a series of chirps.
    If I'm not careful and exit out quick, Vista is entirely hung and I have
    to use the reset button on the PC to recover the PC.
    This is almost the reverse of the situation in XP.

    Do you still blame the onboard video ? Of course, I could always pickup
    a video card and try it.

    "jolt" <> wrote in message
    news:%...
    > The nvidia 6100 does not support HD video acceleration, coupled with the

    use
    > of a 2.2 GHz. cpu explains the inability to properly process a HD stream.
    > The easiest and least expensive way to overcome this would be to upgrade

    to
    > a video card that supports HDVA. My experience with a motherboard with
    > onboard nVidia 6150 which does supports HDVA was that 720p was the max
    > output resolution it would support before it displayed the same results

    you
    > are experiencing
    >
    >
    >
    > "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    > news:%...
    > > Hi,
    > > I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    > > combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    > > Media Center application, the analog input channels
    > > (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.
    > >
    > > However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    > > (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    > > it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    > > (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    > > it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    > > switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    > > display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    > > task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    > > 480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    > > certain channels cause the problem.
    > >
    > > Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    > > onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.
    > >
    > > I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    > > Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    > > AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    > > This is my motherboard -
    > > http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    > > thanks for any assistance.
    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    davexnet, Jul 24, 2009
    #4
  5. davexnet

    jolt Guest

    With a nVidia 8500 and a dual core 3800 I can do multiple recordings while
    playing back a recording at 1080p. Any newer video card be it ATI or nVidia
    will off load the work of HD video to the graphics card. The 6100 is
    outdated and was intended to be used in a business environment not in a
    HTPC.


    "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    news:%23WAYg%23%...
    > I'm perfectly able to play 720p downloaded to a file on the harddrive and
    > played in Windows media player - is there a difference?
    > Secondly, I'm not playing it full screen, but in a smallish window - is
    > there a difference?
    >
    > Here's the other odd thing: My box is dual boot, xp sp3 and vista sp2.
    > Those symptoms I described occur in XP SP3. I'm using the latest version
    > of Aver media center as advised by the company, version 175 available from
    > their FTP site.
    >
    > I've also tried the card in Vista with Vista Media Center and TV Pack
    > installed.
    > In that setup, the HD channels play without locking up, but the analog
    > channels
    > have a problem. After a few seconds of watching an analog station, the
    > image pixelates, freezes, then the sound turns into a series of chirps.
    > If I'm not careful and exit out quick, Vista is entirely hung and I have
    > to use the reset button on the PC to recover the PC.
    > This is almost the reverse of the situation in XP.
    >
    > Do you still blame the onboard video ? Of course, I could always pickup
    > a video card and try it.
    >
    > "jolt" <> wrote in message
    > news:%...
    >> The nvidia 6100 does not support HD video acceleration, coupled with the

    > use
    >> of a 2.2 GHz. cpu explains the inability to properly process a HD stream.
    >> The easiest and least expensive way to overcome this would be to upgrade

    > to
    >> a video card that supports HDVA. My experience with a motherboard with
    >> onboard nVidia 6150 which does supports HDVA was that 720p was the max
    >> output resolution it would support before it displayed the same results

    > you
    >> are experiencing
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    >> news:%...
    >> > Hi,
    >> > I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    >> > combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    >> > Media Center application, the analog input channels
    >> > (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.
    >> >
    >> > However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    >> > (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    >> > it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    >> > (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    >> > it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    >> > switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    >> > display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    >> > task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    >> > 480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    >> > certain channels cause the problem.
    >> >
    >> > Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    >> > onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.
    >> >
    >> > I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    >> > Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    >> > AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    >> > This is my motherboard -
    >> > http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    >> > thanks for any assistance.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >

    >>

    >
    >
    jolt, Jul 24, 2009
    #5
  6. How about this one? Is it suitable ?
    It's a deal I found on Newegg. Only 256MB of memory, GDDR3, but it gets a
    good review:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130297


    "jolt" <> wrote in message
    news:O%...
    > With a nVidia 8500 and a dual core 3800 I can do multiple recordings while
    > playing back a recording at 1080p. Any newer video card be it ATI or
    > nVidia will off load the work of HD video to the graphics card. The 6100
    > is outdated and was intended to be used in a business environment not in a
    > HTPC.
    >
    >
    > "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    > news:%23WAYg%23%...
    >> I'm perfectly able to play 720p downloaded to a file on the harddrive and
    >> played in Windows media player - is there a difference?
    >> Secondly, I'm not playing it full screen, but in a smallish window - is
    >> there a difference?
    >>
    >> Here's the other odd thing: My box is dual boot, xp sp3 and vista sp2.
    >> Those symptoms I described occur in XP SP3. I'm using the latest version
    >> of Aver media center as advised by the company, version 175 available
    >> from
    >> their FTP site.
    >>
    >> I've also tried the card in Vista with Vista Media Center and TV Pack
    >> installed.
    >> In that setup, the HD channels play without locking up, but the analog
    >> channels
    >> have a problem. After a few seconds of watching an analog station, the
    >> image pixelates, freezes, then the sound turns into a series of chirps.
    >> If I'm not careful and exit out quick, Vista is entirely hung and I have
    >> to use the reset button on the PC to recover the PC.
    >> This is almost the reverse of the situation in XP.
    >>
    >> Do you still blame the onboard video ? Of course, I could always pickup
    >> a video card and try it.
    >>
    >> "jolt" <> wrote in message
    >> news:%...
    >>> The nvidia 6100 does not support HD video acceleration, coupled with the

    >> use
    >>> of a 2.2 GHz. cpu explains the inability to properly process a HD
    >>> stream.
    >>> The easiest and least expensive way to overcome this would be to upgrade

    >> to
    >>> a video card that supports HDVA. My experience with a motherboard with
    >>> onboard nVidia 6150 which does supports HDVA was that 720p was the max
    >>> output resolution it would support before it displayed the same results

    >> you
    >>> are experiencing
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:%...
    >>> > Hi,
    >>> > I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    >>> > combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    >>> > Media Center application, the analog input channels
    >>> > (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.
    >>> >
    >>> > However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    >>> > (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    >>> > it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    >>> > (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    >>> > it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    >>> > switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    >>> > display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    >>> > task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    >>> > 480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    >>> > certain channels cause the problem.
    >>> >
    >>> > Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    >>> > onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.
    >>> >
    >>> > I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    >>> > Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    >>> > AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    >>> > This is my motherboard -
    >>> > http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    >>> > thanks for any assistance.
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    Dave and Rosanna, Jul 24, 2009
    #6
  7. davexnet

    jolt Guest

    That's right in the sweet spot it will help where the 6100 is lacking and
    isn't badly priced, considering the free shipping. On top of getting a more
    suitable GNU you won't be dependent on shared memory.



    "Dave and Rosanna" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > How about this one? Is it suitable ?
    > It's a deal I found on Newegg. Only 256MB of memory, GDDR3, but it gets
    > a good review:
    > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130297
    >
    >
    > "jolt" <> wrote in message
    > news:O%...
    >> With a nVidia 8500 and a dual core 3800 I can do multiple recordings
    >> while playing back a recording at 1080p. Any newer video card be it ATI
    >> or nVidia will off load the work of HD video to the graphics card. The
    >> 6100 is outdated and was intended to be used in a business environment
    >> not in a HTPC.
    >>
    >>
    >> "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    >> news:%23WAYg%23%...
    >>> I'm perfectly able to play 720p downloaded to a file on the harddrive
    >>> and
    >>> played in Windows media player - is there a difference?
    >>> Secondly, I'm not playing it full screen, but in a smallish window - is
    >>> there a difference?
    >>>
    >>> Here's the other odd thing: My box is dual boot, xp sp3 and vista sp2.
    >>> Those symptoms I described occur in XP SP3. I'm using the latest
    >>> version
    >>> of Aver media center as advised by the company, version 175 available
    >>> from
    >>> their FTP site.
    >>>
    >>> I've also tried the card in Vista with Vista Media Center and TV Pack
    >>> installed.
    >>> In that setup, the HD channels play without locking up, but the analog
    >>> channels
    >>> have a problem. After a few seconds of watching an analog station, the
    >>> image pixelates, freezes, then the sound turns into a series of chirps.
    >>> If I'm not careful and exit out quick, Vista is entirely hung and I have
    >>> to use the reset button on the PC to recover the PC.
    >>> This is almost the reverse of the situation in XP.
    >>>
    >>> Do you still blame the onboard video ? Of course, I could always pickup
    >>> a video card and try it.
    >>>
    >>> "jolt" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:%...
    >>>> The nvidia 6100 does not support HD video acceleration, coupled with
    >>>> the
    >>> use
    >>>> of a 2.2 GHz. cpu explains the inability to properly process a HD
    >>>> stream.
    >>>> The easiest and least expensive way to overcome this would be to
    >>>> upgrade
    >>> to
    >>>> a video card that supports HDVA. My experience with a motherboard with
    >>>> onboard nVidia 6150 which does supports HDVA was that 720p was the max
    >>>> output resolution it would support before it displayed the same results
    >>> you
    >>>> are experiencing
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:%...
    >>>> > Hi,
    >>>> > I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    >>>> > combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    >>>> > Media Center application, the analog input channels
    >>>> > (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    >>>> > (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    >>>> > it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    >>>> > (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    >>>> > it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    >>>> > switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    >>>> > display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    >>>> > task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    >>>> > 480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    >>>> > certain channels cause the problem.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    >>>> > onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.
    >>>> >
    >>>> > I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    >>>> > Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    >>>> > AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    >>>> > This is my motherboard -
    >>>> > http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    >>>> > thanks for any assistance.
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>> >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
    >
    jolt, Jul 24, 2009
    #7
  8. Thanks I'll update this thread when the card arrives and I've tried it out.

    In the meantime, I've asked Avermedia to explain why their MC application
    uses 50% of my cpu (That's the whole of one core) during analog "record".
    Surely, all the work is done by the onboard encoder chip?

    As a comparison, recording analog on Vista MC, my cpu utilization was only
    20%. - Something is not right with that.


    "jolt" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > That's right in the sweet spot it will help where the 6100 is lacking and
    > isn't badly priced, considering the free shipping. On top of getting a
    > more suitable GNU you won't be dependent on shared memory.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Dave and Rosanna" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> How about this one? Is it suitable ?
    >> It's a deal I found on Newegg. Only 256MB of memory, GDDR3, but it gets
    >> a good review:
    >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130297
    >>
    >>
    >> "jolt" <> wrote in message
    >> news:O%...
    >>> With a nVidia 8500 and a dual core 3800 I can do multiple recordings
    >>> while playing back a recording at 1080p. Any newer video card be it ATI
    >>> or nVidia will off load the work of HD video to the graphics card. The
    >>> 6100 is outdated and was intended to be used in a business environment
    >>> not in a HTPC.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:%23WAYg%23%...
    >>>> I'm perfectly able to play 720p downloaded to a file on the harddrive
    >>>> and
    >>>> played in Windows media player - is there a difference?
    >>>> Secondly, I'm not playing it full screen, but in a smallish window - is
    >>>> there a difference?
    >>>>
    >>>> Here's the other odd thing: My box is dual boot, xp sp3 and vista sp2.
    >>>> Those symptoms I described occur in XP SP3. I'm using the latest
    >>>> version
    >>>> of Aver media center as advised by the company, version 175 available
    >>>> from
    >>>> their FTP site.
    >>>>
    >>>> I've also tried the card in Vista with Vista Media Center and TV Pack
    >>>> installed.
    >>>> In that setup, the HD channels play without locking up, but the analog
    >>>> channels
    >>>> have a problem. After a few seconds of watching an analog station,
    >>>> the
    >>>> image pixelates, freezes, then the sound turns into a series of chirps.
    >>>> If I'm not careful and exit out quick, Vista is entirely hung and I
    >>>> have
    >>>> to use the reset button on the PC to recover the PC.
    >>>> This is almost the reverse of the situation in XP.
    >>>>
    >>>> Do you still blame the onboard video ? Of course, I could always
    >>>> pickup
    >>>> a video card and try it.
    >>>>
    >>>> "jolt" <> wrote in message
    >>>> news:%...
    >>>>> The nvidia 6100 does not support HD video acceleration, coupled with
    >>>>> the
    >>>> use
    >>>>> of a 2.2 GHz. cpu explains the inability to properly process a HD
    >>>>> stream.
    >>>>> The easiest and least expensive way to overcome this would be to
    >>>>> upgrade
    >>>> to
    >>>>> a video card that supports HDVA. My experience with a motherboard with
    >>>>> onboard nVidia 6150 which does supports HDVA was that 720p was the max
    >>>>> output resolution it would support before it displayed the same
    >>>>> results
    >>>> you
    >>>>> are experiencing
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "davexnet" <> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:%...
    >>>>> > Hi,
    >>>>> > I've an incident open with Avermedia regarding the M780
    >>>>> > combo card. When I install the latest drivers and Avers
    >>>>> > Media Center application, the analog input channels
    >>>>> > (from my Time Warner cable feed) play back just fine.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> > However, when I play something from the digital tuner,
    >>>>> > (ATSC from the rooftop antenna)
    >>>>> > it sometimes plays OK for a few seconds, but eventually
    >>>>> > (and sometimes it happens right after I change channels)
    >>>>> > it freezes, and if I wait too long ( before, for example, quickly
    >>>>> > switching back to analog, or otherwise stopping the MC
    >>>>> > display) the whole application has frozen and I have to use
    >>>>> > task manager to clear it out. These digitals channels, are either
    >>>>> > 480i, 720p or 1080i. I haven't seen any pattern in whether
    >>>>> > certain channels cause the problem.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> > Avermedia are trying to lay the blame on the fact that I have
    >>>>> > onboard video, which uses up to 256 MB shared memory.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> > I'm new to tuners so I am unable to evaluate their position.
    >>>>> > Could that be the problem? I have 2GB's of Ram, and an
    >>>>> > AmD 64 X2 dual core @ 2.2 GHz using XP SP3
    >>>>> > This is my motherboard -
    >>>>> > http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=26
    >>>>> > thanks for any assistance.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> >
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    Dave and Rosanna, Jul 25, 2009
    #8
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