too large eMails - improvement proposal for WLM

Is there a place at MS where one can post improvement proposals?

It often happens that attatchments to eMails become far too large, for
example if one wants to attatch an image that has not yet been trimmed
and is presented in an non-compressed format.
In earlier days, programs like Outlook Express would most of the time
immediately crash if the user made such a mistake.
Nowadays, if you try to attatch a file with 1GB of size, WLM will
actually attempt to send the mail.

The reason i noticed this problem is that many of my friends have
informed me "help help my mails do not send" and i then found that
such large mails are "stuck" in the outbox.

The proposal for a future version would be to produce a warning
message e.g.
"The mail you are about to send exceeds x Megabytes, are you sure?"
where the x should be user-specifyable.

Does anyone think one can get the WLM team to create such a
(relatively simple) feature?

greetings

Roland Schweiger

On 9/30/2011 4:27 PM, Roland Schweiger wrote:
> Is there a place at MS where one can post improvement proposals?
>
> It often happens that attatchments to eMails become far too large, for
> example if one wants to attatch an image that has not yet been trimmed
> and is presented in an non-compressed format.
> In earlier days, programs like Outlook Express would most of the time
> immediately crash if the user made such a mistake.
> Nowadays, if you try to attatch a file with 1GB of size, WLM will
> actually attempt to send the mail.
>
> The reason i noticed this problem is that many of my friends have
> informed me "help help my mails do not send" and i then found that such
> large mails are "stuck" in the outbox.
>
> The proposal for a future version would be to produce a warning message
> e.g.
> "The mail you are about to send exceeds x Megabytes, are you sure?"
> where the x should be user-specifyable.
>
> Does anyone think one can get the WLM team to create such a (relatively
> simple) feature?
>
> greetings
>
> Roland Schweiger
>

I doubt you'll find MS receptive, though ICBW.

You have to remember that WLM is instinctively a cloud product, and so
you should be sending a cloud link to the photo, not the actual file via
email.

I regularly "send" 300-600MG videos in this manner.

Generally most MSPs set a 10MB limit on email file size. If you were to
"attach" a 1GB file, it would break the upload connection.

"Magnus" schrieb
You have to remember that WLM is instinctively a cloud product, and so
you should be sending a cloud link to the photo, not the actual file
via
email.

I regularly "send" 300-600MG videos in this manner.



Well yes i do know that we are trimmed to send things like "photo
mail" and i consider this type of cloud a good idea for "some"
implementations
e.g. holiday pictures which are sent to numerous eMail recipients.

But when sending scanned documents for instance, i still prefer
attatching them directly - i know that eMails become larger due to
UUEncode (or Base64), but still - if there is only one recipient, why
upload the attatchments to Windows Live?

greetings

Roland Schweiger

WLM doesn't have any size restrictions. The limit is controlled by the isp
(sending through the isp server and if applicable receiving through the isp
server).

Microsoft has already provided multiple options for large messages. It is
unlikely anything beyond the following will be available.

In WLM for images too large to be sent through your isp your options are:

1. Use Photo Email - you can send email from any type email account
configured in WLM provided you sign on to Windows Live services in WLM with
a Live ID.
- i.e. if sending from your isp pop3 account, choose Photo Email option to
send the image and sign on to Live services with your Live ID. The picture
will be uploaded to the Live ID Skydrive, the recipient receiving a link to
view/download.

2. Use a Hotmail type account (hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com) in WLM
configured to use DeltaSync. The Hotmail server, not your isp will be used.
(the limits will be the same as #4 below)

3. Use the Hotmail web UI and choose the Photos or Office Docs option -
doing so you can send up to 200 attachments up to 50MB each using the
logged on Hotmail accounts Live ID Sky Drive

4. Use the Hotmail web UI and choose the Attachments option (10 MB messages
size limit for free Hotmail type accounts; if using a Hotmail Plus account
the message size limit is 20MB). Note: Message size limit is the sum of the
email plus attachments

If the recipient isp has incoming limits then one would have to adjust the
outgoing message size in (1 through 4) to accommodate any incoming isp
restrictions.


--
....winston
msft mvp mail

"Roland Schweiger" wrote in message news:j658np$i3g$...

Is there a place at MS where one can post improvement proposals?

It often happens that attatchments to eMails become far too large, for
example if one wants to attatch an image that has not yet been trimmed
and is presented in an non-compressed format.
In earlier days, programs like Outlook Express would most of the time
immediately crash if the user made such a mistake.
Nowadays, if you try to attatch a file with 1GB of size, WLM will
actually attempt to send the mail.

The reason i noticed this problem is that many of my friends have
informed me "help help my mails do not send" and i then found that
such large mails are "stuck" in the outbox.

The proposal for a future version would be to produce a warning
message e.g.
"The mail you are about to send exceeds x Megabytes, are you sure?"
where the x should be user-specifyable.

Does anyone think one can get the WLM team to create such a
(relatively simple) feature?

greetings

Roland Schweiger

typing too fast..

The note/comment at the end of the post should say:

If the recipient isp has incoming limits then one would have to adjust the
outgoing message size in (method 2 or 4) to accommodate any incoming isp
restriction.


"...winston" wrote in message news:j66lbr$oko$...

WLM doesn't have any size restrictions. The limit is controlled by the isp
(sending through the isp server and if applicable receiving through the isp
server).

Microsoft has already provided multiple options for large messages. It is
unlikely anything beyond the following will be available.

In WLM for images too large to be sent through your isp your options are:

1. Use Photo Email - you can send email from any type email account
configured in WLM provided you sign on to Windows Live services in WLM with
a Live ID.
- i.e. if sending from your isp pop3 account, choose Photo Email option to
send the image and sign on to Live services with your Live ID. The picture
will be uploaded to the Live ID Skydrive, the recipient receiving a link to
view/download.

2. Use a Hotmail type account (hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com) in WLM
configured to use DeltaSync. The Hotmail server, not your isp will be used.
(the limits will be the same as #4 below)

3. Use the Hotmail web UI and choose the Photos or Office Docs option -
doing so you can send up to 200 attachments up to 50MB each using the
logged on Hotmail accounts Live ID Sky Drive

4. Use the Hotmail web UI and choose the Attachments option (10 MB messages
size limit for free Hotmail type accounts; if using a Hotmail Plus account
the message size limit is 20MB). Note: Message size limit is the sum of the
email plus attachments

If the recipient isp has incoming limits then one would have to adjust the
outgoing message size in (***method 2 or 4***) to accommodate any incoming
isp
restrictions.


--
....winston
msft mvp mail

"Roland Schweiger" wrote in message news:j658np$i3g$...

Is there a place at MS where one can post improvement proposals?

It often happens that attatchments to eMails become far too large, for
example if one wants to attatch an image that has not yet been trimmed
and is presented in an non-compressed format.
In earlier days, programs like Outlook Express would most of the time
immediately crash if the user made such a mistake.
Nowadays, if you try to attatch a file with 1GB of size, WLM will
actually attempt to send the mail.

The reason i noticed this problem is that many of my friends have
informed me "help help my mails do not send" and i then found that
such large mails are "stuck" in the outbox.

The proposal for a future version would be to produce a warning
message e.g.
"The mail you are about to send exceeds x Megabytes, are you sure?"
where the x should be user-specifyable.

Does anyone think one can get the WLM team to create such a
(relatively simple) feature?

greetings

Roland Schweiger

Roland Schweiger schreib...

> i consider this type of cloud a good idea for "some" implementations e.g. holiday pictures which are sent to numerous eMail
> recipients.
> But when sending scanned documents for instance, i still prefer attatching them directly - i know that eMails become larger due
> to UUEncode (or Base64), but still - if there is only one recipient, why upload the attatchments to Windows Live?

It doesn't make any difference what type of attachment you're sending, nor indeed the number of recipients. The email service was
originally designed for sending short text messages, and although its capacity has increased many fold, it's still not geared to
transmitting very large files. The 'encoding overhead' you refer to results from the fact that the email service can only transmit
ASCII characters. Any binary file - like a .jpg or your scan - has to be converted to plain text for transmission, and that takes
more bytes per character. Using a transfer encoding like Base 64 is just one way of transmitting text containing non-ASCII
characters.

The main problem with sending large attachments by email is that you have no control over the limits imposed by the various servers
that the message passes through on its way to the addressee. Your own ISP server may have a generous limit, but the recipient's may
be smaller. And the mailbox the message ends up in will usually be restricted in size. My first was, IIRC, 100KB, and I felt
enormously enriched when my ISP increased that to 500KB at no extra cost. If you send a large message that exceeds the addressee's
quota, you could prevent him from receiving any more messages at all until he's downloaded your megamessage. It's much more
considerate - and less likely to cause problems - to upload the file to SkyDrive and then send him a link to it.
--
Noel

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 11:05:40 +0200, Roland Schweiger wrote:

> "Magnus" schrieb

>> You have to remember that WLM is instinctively a cloud product, and so
>> you should be sending a cloud link to the photo, not the actual file
>> via
>> email.
>>
>> I regularly "send" 300-600MG videos in this manner.

> Well yes i do know that we are trimmed to send things like "photo
> mail" and i consider this type of cloud a good idea for "some"
> implementations
> e.g. holiday pictures which are sent to numerous eMail recipients.
>
> But when sending scanned documents for instance, i still prefer
> attatching them directly - i know that eMails become larger due to
> UUEncode (or Base64), but still - if there is only one recipient, why
> upload the attatchments to Windows Live?

I can't send even a 25 email from a Yahoo! account (allows 25 MB in email)
to my Sonic.net, LLC account (only allows 15 MB in email). Many email
services limit their users to just 10 MB, and some to just 5 MB. I don't
know of any email service provider offering larger than 25 MB for email
size. And that is total size, not attachment size. A brief description of an
attachment, plus a 12 MB attachment, and my ISP SMTP server will refuse to
handle it.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

> "Roland Schweiger" wrote in message news:j66l54$ni5$...
Well yes i do know that we are trimmed to send things like "photo
mail" and i consider this type of cloud a good idea for "some"
implementations
e.g. holiday pictures which are sent to numerous eMail recipients.

But when sending scanned documents for instance, i still prefer
attaching them directly - i know that eMails become larger due to
Uuencode (or Base64), but still - if there is only one recipient, why
upload the attachments to Windows Live?
>

WLM doesn't have any size restrictions. The limit is controlled by the isp
(sending through the isp server and if applicable receiving through the isp
server).

Microsoft has already provided multiple options for large messages. It is
unlikely anything beyond the following will be available.

In WLM for images too large to be sent through your isp your options are:

1. Use Photo Email - you can send email from any type email account
configured in WLM provided you sign on to Windows Live services in WLM with
a Live ID.
- i.e. if sending from your isp pop3 account, choose Photo Email option to
send the image and sign on to Live services with your Live ID. The picture
will be uploaded to the Live ID SkyDrive, the recipient receiving a link to
view/download.

2. Use a Hotmail type account (Hotmail.com, live.com, msn.com) in WLM
configured to use DeltaSync. The Hotmail server, not your isp will be used.
(the limits will be the same as #4 below)

3. Use the Hotmail web UI and choose the Photos or Office Docs option -
doing so you can send up to 200 attachments up to 50MB each using the
logged on Hotmail accounts Live ID Sky Drive

4. Use the Hotmail web UI and choose the Attachments option (10 MB messages
size limit for free Hotmail type accounts; if using a Hotmail Plus account
the message size limit is 20MB). Note: Message size limit is the sum of the
email plus attachments

If the recipient isp has incoming limits then one would have to adjust the
outgoing message size (but only if using method 2 or 4) to accommodate any
incoming isp
restriction

.....winston
MSFT mvp mail

Roland Schweiger