TweakUI & Vista's restore points (Feedback, please)

You're welcome Michael. It's the method I use and it works perfectly.

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org


MICHAEL wrote:
> Good info, Bert. Thank you.
>
>
> -Michael
>
> "Bert Kinney" <> wrote in message
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>> Hi Michael,
>>
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>> http://bertk.mvps.org
>> Member: http://dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>> As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
>>> XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
>>> and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
>>> Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
>>> BitLocker will protect Vista.
>>>
>>> I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's
>>> partition. An MVP has this posted
>>> on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
>>> in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
>>> a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
>>> properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
>>> are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
>>> protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?
>>>
>>> I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
>>> TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
>>> their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.
>>>
>>> Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
>>> hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
>>> tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.
>>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael
>

I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.

This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.

I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
be acceptable?

"The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"


MICHAEL wrote:
> As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
> XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
> and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
> Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
> BitLocker will protect Vista.
>
> I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition.
> An MVP has this posted
> on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
> in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
> a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
> properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
> are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
> protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?
>
> I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
> TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
> their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.
>
> Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
> hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
> tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.
>
> Thanks guys.
>
>
> -Michael

"S Wayne" <> wrote in message
news:eBo2iE$...
>I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
> working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.
>
> This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
> to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
> the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
> real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
> adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
> points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
> criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.
>
> I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
> use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
> be acceptable?
>
> "The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"


There are ways around it. Criminally negligent? lol...right.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

While beta testing Vista, we were repeatedly told by MS reps
that dual-booting was not a common scenario, and by implication
they wouldn't spend any time on it. That was also their reason
for turning down numerous requests for a GUI version of
BCDedit.

Gary VanderMolen

"S Wayne" <> wrote in message news:eBo2iE$...
>I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
> working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.
>
> This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
> to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
> the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
> real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
> adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
> points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
> criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.
>
> I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
> use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
> be acceptable?
>
> "The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
>
>
> MICHAEL wrote:
>> As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
>> XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
>> and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
>> Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
>> BitLocker will protect Vista.
>>
>> I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition.
>> An MVP has this posted
>> on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
>> in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
>> a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
>> properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
>> are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
>> protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
>> TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
>> their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.
>>
>> Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
>> hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
>> tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.
>>
>> Thanks guys.
>>
>>
>> -Michael

I have a dual boot with XP and Vista Ultimate 64 bit and I could not figure
out why I kept losing restore points until I read this thread. I tried
TweekUI in XP but that did not work for me. I also tried Bitlocker but it
said I don't have a TPM. I have no idea what that is. Is there a work
around?


"S Wayne" <> wrote in message
news:eBo2iE$...
>I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
> working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.
>
> This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
> to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
> the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
> real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
> adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
> points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
> criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.
>
> I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
> use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
> be acceptable?
>
> "The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
>
>
> MICHAEL wrote:
>> As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
>> XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
>> and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
>> Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
>> BitLocker will protect Vista.
>>
>> I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition.
>> An MVP has this posted
>> on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
>> in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
>> a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
>> properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
>> are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
>> protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?
>>
>> I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
>> TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
>> their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.
>>
>> Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
>> hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
>> tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.
>>
>> Thanks guys.
>>
>>
>> -Michael

Frank, you can use BitLocker without TPM,
using a USB drive instead.

http://www.tweakvista.com/article39148.aspx

http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window....mspx?mfr=true
Scenario 3: Enabling BitLocker Drive Encryption Advanced Startup Options




"Frank" <> wrote in message news:...
>I have a dual boot with XP and Vista Ultimate 64 bit and I could not figure
> out why I kept losing restore points until I read this thread. I tried
> TweekUI in XP but that did not work for me. I also tried Bitlocker but it
> said I don't have a TPM. I have no idea what that is. Is there a work
> around?
>
>
> "S Wayne" <> wrote in message
> news:eBo2iE$...
>>I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
>> working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.
>>
>> This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
>> to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
>> the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
>> real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
>> adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
>> points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
>> criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.
>>
>> I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
>> use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
>> be acceptable?
>>
>> "The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
>>
>>
>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>> As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
>>> XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
>>> and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
>>> Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
>>> BitLocker will protect Vista.
>>>
>>> I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's partition. An MVP has this
>>> posted
>>> on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
>>> in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
>>> a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
>>> properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
>>> are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
>>> protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?
>>>
>>> I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
>>> TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
>>> their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.
>>>
>>> Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
>>> hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
>>> tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.
>>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael
>

On Apr 5, 8:22 pm, "Rock" <R...@nospam.net> wrote:
> > "The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
>
> There are ways around it. Criminally negligent? lol...right.
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

Negligence: Failure to act with the prudence that a reasonable person
would exercise under the same circumstances

Criminal Negligence: recklessly acting without reasonable caution and
putting another person at risk of injury

Seems like exactly what Microsoft did with this issue. They Failed to
act with caution, and placed people's data at risk.

But then you would know that if you spent a bit of time reading and
less time cheering Microsoft.

"S Wayne" <> wrote

> On Apr 5, 8:22 pm, "Rock" <R...@nospam.net> wrote:
>> > "The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
>>
>> There are ways around it. Criminally negligent? lol...right.

> Negligence: Failure to act with the prudence that a reasonable person
> would exercise under the same circumstances
>
> Criminal Negligence: recklessly acting without reasonable caution and
> putting another person at risk of injury
>
> Seems like exactly what Microsoft did with this issue. They Failed to
> act with caution, and placed people's data at risk.
>
> But then you would know that if you spent a bit of time reading and
> less time cheering Microsoft.

You don't know much about criminal law do you?

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:26:31 -0700, "Gary VanderMolen"

>While beta testing Vista, we were repeatedly told by MS reps
>that dual-booting was not a common scenario, and by implication
>they wouldn't spend any time on it. That was also their reason
>for turning down numerous requests for a GUI version of
>BCDedit.

"Support your own feature set, Luke"

They definitely should have tested dual-booting with all existing MS
OSs at least, as well as Linuxen etc.

An OS does not "own" the PC; it is one of up to 4 possible guests on
the PC system, and it mustn't mess with the other guests.

That either means respecting other OSs partition type bytes and not
screwing around in their partitions, or if you share partition types
as you're "the same OS family", then the incest taboo should hold.

The Vista team should know very well what XP's behavior should be, and
thus take care to dance around it. And if XP was so badly behaved
that it dives into installations that are not "its own", then
hopefully the Vista team will have cleaned up that behavior in Vista.

I thought XP had got it right, after WinME's total cluelessness that
not all \_Restore belong to it (e.g. dual-booted WinME installs). XP
took trouble to subtree its SVI contents as identified by
installation, so that dual-booted XP wouldn't play with each other's
SR data. It's hard to see how a different OS, developed from the
ground up after XP was a known state of 5 years' standing, could
manage to throw itself under XP's wheels.



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Hi Frank,

The best workaround I have found it to use a 3rd party boot/partition
manager such as Bootit NG.

Dual Booting Windows Vista & Windows XP:
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html

Regards,
Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
http://bertk.mvps.org
Member: http://dts-l.org

Frank wrote:
> I have a dual boot with XP and Vista Ultimate 64 bit and I could not figure
> out why I kept losing restore points until I read this thread. I tried
> TweekUI in XP but that did not work for me. I also tried Bitlocker but it
> said I don't have a TPM. I have no idea what that is. Is there a work
> around?
>
>
> "S Wayne" <> wrote in message
> news:eBo2iE$...
>> I have to say that this issue is a true example of Microsoft engineers
>> working in closets with the lights off and the door tightly closed.
>>
>> This issue could have (and should have) been remedied SO easily prior
>> to Vista's launch. The only reason it wasn't fixed was because none of
>> the MS Engineers gave a moments thought to the fact that people in the
>> real world would dual-boot Vista and XP while they got over the early
>> adopter issues. Frankly using the same directory structure for restore
>> points when it was known that XP would destroy this data bridges on
>> criminal negligence on Microsoft's part.
>>
>> I mean what part of "We just blew away the only data the customer can
>> use to recover from a system failure," did the MS Engineers think would
>> be acceptable?
>>
>> "The WOW starts now!" seems to mean, "WOW, did they even test this OS?"
>>
>>
>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>> As we all know, if you dual-boot XP and Vista,
>>> XP's volsnap.sys will delete Vista's restore points
>>> and shadow copies. We know the two fixes- hide
>>> Vista's partition from XP or if you have Ultimate,
>>> BitLocker will protect Vista.
>>>
>>> I have seen some users suggest using TweakUI to hide Vista's
>>> partition. An MVP has this posted
>>> on his website as an option. I have seen this posted
>>> in on several websites. However, I have seen quite
>>> a few folks say that TweakUI doesn't actually work
>>> properly in hiding Vista's partition and their restore points
>>> are deleted. Has anyone verified if TweakUI actually does
>>> protect Vista's restore points by hiding Vista's partition?
>>>
>>> I would appreciate feedback on this. Those that have used
>>> TweakUI, booted to XP and then back to Vista, and still have
>>> their restore points. Successful and unsuccessful.
>>>
>>> Before I recommend this to anyone, I really would like to
>>> hear from those that have tried it. Unfortunately, I haven't
>>> tried it, yet. I'm using BitLocker to protect Vista on this machine.
>>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael
>