Two disappointing aspects of Vista – or am I wrong?

Christian wrote:
> I installed Windows Vista Ultimate last week on my PC. I made it a
> “clean� install; my PC had been running WinXP Pro before but I rather
> wanted a system build-up from scratch. Anyway – that’s not the point.
>
> What I want to report here (and maybe provoke some interesting reactions
> as well) is that the Vista OS upgrade reduced functionality of my
> existing hardware, and I obviously cannot feel happy about that:
>
> 1.- Printer definitively gone.
>
> I have been using a Canon LBP-800 laser printer with perfect
> satisfaction during many years. The printer performs as well as the
> first day I bought it. Vista problem: no driver! Solution: to the bin
> and buy a new laser printer, or else stop printing.
>
> 2.- Stereoscopic view gone.
>
> I combined my nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX with Revelator glasses under
> WinXP. Oke- the driver for WinXP wasn’t the newest one, but I
> experienced a lot with 3D imaging, have enjoyed making such pictures
> myself, and it worked. Vista problem: no driver! Solution: forget a
> hobby because it stopped working.
>
> I admit I am a bit “straight� with my message. However, it’s not wrong
> to be critical if criticism is concrete. I shall stand happily
> corrected, if some smart folks out here can point me to practical
> solutions which I have been looking for now since several days,
> unsuccessfully.


Install proper drivers. Not Windows fault.
>

I installed Windows Vista Ultimate last week on my PC. I made it a “clean�
install; my PC had been running WinXP Pro before but I rather wanted a
system build-up from scratch. Anyway – that’s not the point.

What I want to report here (and maybe provoke some interesting reactions as
well) is that the Vista OS upgrade reduced functionality of my existing
hardware, and I obviously cannot feel happy about that:

1.- Printer definitively gone.

I have been using a Canon LBP-800 laser printer with perfect satisfaction
during many years. The printer performs as well as the first day I bought
it. Vista problem: no driver! Solution: to the bin and buy a new laser
printer, or else stop printing.

2.- Stereoscopic view gone.

I combined my nVidia GeForce 7800 GTX with Revelator glasses under WinXP.
Oke- the driver for WinXP wasn’t the newest one, but I experienced a lot
with 3D imaging, have enjoyed making such pictures myself, and it worked.
Vista problem: no driver! Solution: forget a hobby because it stopped
working.

I admit I am a bit “straight� with my message. However, it’s not wrong to be
critical if criticism is concrete. I shall stand happily corrected, if some
smart folks out here can point me to practical solutions which I have been
looking for now since several days, unsuccessfully.

In article <>,
none <""frankjg\"@(none)"> wrote:
>
>Install proper drivers. Not Windows fault.
>>

I've seen this answer 100000 times, and it's bullshit. If any
other software vendor released an upgrade that required total hardware
and software replacements including ground up reengineering by other
vendors people would drop them like Linda dropped Paul. Microsoft's
attempting to use its monopoly power to shift the cost of application
support to third parties, and those third parties are correctly saying
no.

At the least Vista should include a "compatibility mode" that runs
old drivers and other software until they can be upgraded.

"the wharf rat" wrote:

> In article <>,
> none <""frankjg\"@(none)"> wrote:
> >
> >Install proper drivers. Not Windows fault.
> >>
>
> I've seen this answer 100000 times, and it's bullshit. If any
> other software vendor released an upgrade that required total hardware
> and software replacements including ground up reengineering by other
> vendors people would drop them like Linda dropped Paul. Microsoft's
> attempting to use its monopoly power to shift the cost of application
> support to third parties, and those third parties are correctly saying
> no.
>

What a crock of ****! We had horses before we had cars. I don't recall
the horse owners paying for the engineering of the saddles or horseshoes. Is
a CD player for a 1993 Ford going to fit in the dash opening of a 2004 Ford?
Should Ford pay the CD vendors to reengineer their products? Why should
Microsoft spend billions of dollars doing the engineering work for other,
non-related companies? Your reasoning is flawed.


> At the least Vista should include a "compatibility mode" that runs
> old drivers and other software until they can be upgraded.
>
>
> Vista does provide such a "compatibility mode". If you don't know how to access it I'm certainly not going to tell you, not with the attitude you have. You're one of these people who will never be satisfied with Vista because you don't know how to use it. You should go back to XP.

C.B.

"CB" <> wrote in message
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>
>
> "the wharf rat" wrote:
>
>> In article <>,
>> none <""frankjg\"@(none)"> wrote:
>> >
>> >Install proper drivers. Not Windows fault.
>> >>
>>
>> I've seen this answer 100000 times, and it's bullshit. If any
>> other software vendor released an upgrade that required total hardware
>> and software replacements including ground up reengineering by other
>> vendors people would drop them like Linda dropped Paul. Microsoft's
>> attempting to use its monopoly power to shift the cost of application
>> support to third parties, and those third parties are correctly saying
>> no.
>>
>
> What a crock of ****! We had horses before we had cars. I don't recall
> the horse owners paying for the engineering of the saddles or horseshoes.
> Is
> a CD player for a 1993 Ford going to fit in the dash opening of a 2004
> Ford?
> Should Ford pay the CD vendors to reengineer their products? Why should
> Microsoft spend billions of dollars doing the engineering work for other,
> non-related companies? Your reasoning is flawed.
>
>
>> At the least Vista should include a "compatibility mode" that runs
>> old drivers and other software until they can be upgraded.
>>
>>
>> Vista does provide such a "compatibility mode". If you don't know
>> how to access it I'm certainly not going to tell you, not with the
>> attitude you have. You're one of these people who will never be satisfied
>> with Vista because you don't know how to use it. You should go back to
>> XP.
>
> C.B.


But *other* people reading these posts could have benefited from the answer.
This *is* a newsgroup, and the ones who know, usually provides answers to
those of us who do NOT know. But I guess you chose NOT to do that. Great
decision!

"none" <""frankjg\"@(none)"> wrote in message...

> Not Windows fault.

Bullcrap. 5 years to create this monster that demands a brand new PC
is unacceptable. That's plenty of time for the OEM device manufacturers
to get the source code and come on board.

The truth is, VISTA is all about selling more hardware and recording the
end user's activities.

Yes... it's dissappointing to hundreds of thousands... that of which a good
20% have complained in this very forum over the past year.

"CB" <> wrote in message...

> We had horses before we had cars.

Totally irrelevant.

any software upgrade usually requires more from the hardware than it used
and here we are talking of a whole operating system. if u were to look at
MAC (my favorite) even there the latest versions would be taking its toll on
the old hardware and would thus require better and faster ones.

Neerav

"David Morgan (MAMS)" </Odm> wrote in message
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>
> "none" <""frankjg\"@(none)"> wrote in message...
>
>> Not Windows fault.
>
> Bullcrap. 5 years to create this monster that demands a brand new PC
> is unacceptable. That's plenty of time for the OEM device manufacturers
> to get the source code and come on board.
>
> The truth is, VISTA is all about selling more hardware and recording the
> end user's activities.
>
> Yes... it's dissappointing to hundreds of thousands... that of which a
> good
> 20% have complained in this very forum over the past year.
>
>
>
>

the wharf rat wrote:

> In article <>,
> none <""frankjg\"@(none)"> wrote:
>
>>Install proper drivers. Not Windows fault.
>>
>
> I've seen this answer 100000 times, and it's bullshit.

Obviously, you we're not involved in the beta.

If any
> other software vendor released an upgrade that required total hardware
> and software replacements including ground up reengineering by other
> vendors people would drop them like Linda dropped Paul.

Well, that didn't happen so your statement is a non sequitur.

Microsoft's
> attempting to use its monopoly power to shift the cost of application
> support to third parties, and those third parties are correctly saying
> no.

Now, you're really showing your ignorance and your stupidity.
>
> At the least Vista should include a "compatibility mode" that runs
> old drivers and other software until they can be upgraded.

I guess you missed that one also huh?
Frank
>
>

Bullcrap. 5 years to create this monster that demands a brand new PC
is unacceptable. That's plenty of time for the OEM device manufacturers
to get the source code and come on board.

> Actually Vista was developed and tested within 2 years, since the Beta
> started in August of 2005. What people still confuse is the original
> Longhorn vision, but that was scrapped and the Server 2003 SP1 codebase
> was used instead.

The truth is, VISTA is all about selling more hardware and recording the
end user's activities.

True, Vista is all about selling more hardware, thats just the reality of
the industry, it has always been this way since the beginning. If there
weren't new versions of software or better versions of devices, we would
still be on MS-DOS and the original IBM PC. As for recording end user
activities, I am not aware of that, yes, there are features in Vista that
have long been in Windows such as the Event Viewer which keeps track of
system activities to help the end user diagnose problems the system might
encounter with software or devices.

Yes... it's dissappointing to hundreds of thousands... that of which a good
20% have complained in this very forum over the past year.

> You can't please everyone, if you go back to this point in time on the
> market for past releases of Windows, whether it was 95, 98, NT 4, 2000,
> ME, XP.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"David Morgan (MAMS)" </Odm> wrote in message
news:arFej.2340$jX4.1328@trnddc07...
>
> "none" <""frankjg\"@(none)"> wrote in message...
>
>> Not Windows fault.
>
> Bullcrap. 5 years to create this monster that demands a brand new PC
> is unacceptable. That's plenty of time for the OEM device manufacturers
> to get the source code and come on board.
>
> The truth is, VISTA is all about selling more hardware and recording the
> end user's activities.
>
> Yes... it's dissappointing to hundreds of thousands... that of which a
> good
> 20% have complained in this very forum over the past year.
>
>
>
>