UAC should have been a Business class feature, not for Home Users

>>>Have you tried TweakUAC. It suppresses the UAC prompts but leave the
underpinnings of the protection UAC provides intact.<<<

David,

TweakUAC is misleading and your reply isn't exactly true.
It's best described by Ronnie Vernon MS-MVP and wish I had written this :>)

Quote:
This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying to
gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This so
called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to
'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when
you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the
file will have unrestricted access to your computer.

The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application
tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires
administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the user
for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the user,
which means that it is effectively disabled.

Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in
protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a
malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and
silently.

Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures
will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are
logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot notify
you that administrative privileges are required.

Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about his
product.
"if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to manage
your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."
In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would want
to do is turn off the UAC notification.

If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to
temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in
Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using an
elevated instance of windows explorer.

The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it
dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least
user privilege environment.
End Quote

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All the best,
SG

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https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/

"David P." <> wrote in message
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> Have you tried TweakUAC. It suppresses the UAC prompts but leave the
> underpinnings of the protection UAC provides intact.
>
> "Swampthing" <> wrote in message
> news:10D46609-FD32-4E08-95DE-...
>>
>> --
>> Thanks from C-Swampthing.
>>
SNIPPED

Thanks for taking the time to post this! I will take it under advisement.

"SG" <> wrote in message
news:#...
>>>>Have you tried TweakUAC. It suppresses the UAC prompts but leave the
> underpinnings of the protection UAC provides intact.<<<
>
> David,
>
> TweakUAC is misleading and your reply isn't exactly true.
> It's best described by Ronnie Vernon MS-MVP and wish I had written this
> :>)
>
> Quote:
> This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying
> to
> gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This
> so
> called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to
> 'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when
> you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the
> file will have unrestricted access to your computer.
>
> The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application
> tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires
> administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the
> user
> for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the
> user,
> which means that it is effectively disabled.
>
> Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in
> protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a
> malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and
> silently.
>
> Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures
> will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are
> logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot
> notify
> you that administrative privileges are required.
>
> Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about
> his
> product.
> "if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to
> manage
> your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."
> In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would
> want
> to do is turn off the UAC notification.
>
> If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to
> temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in
> Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using
> an
> elevated instance of windows explorer.
>
> The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it
> dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least
> user privilege environment.
> End Quote
>
> --
> All the best,
> SG
>
> Is your computer system ready for Vista?
> https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
>
> "David P." <> wrote in message
> news:enmsl%...
>> Have you tried TweakUAC. It suppresses the UAC prompts but leave the
>> underpinnings of the protection UAC provides intact.
>>
>> "Swampthing" <> wrote in message
>> news:10D46609-FD32-4E08-95DE-...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks from C-Swampthing.
>>>
> SNIPPED

Althoug mentioned in SG's post - for "home users" the most important feature
of UAC is IE7 "Protected Mode" (Indicated lower right corner when active).

When downloading any item from the Internet which may affect system or
registry files, proteced mode creates "virtual systen and registry"
locations to first evaluate actions of downloaded items - if UAC consider
them safe then it provides access to the "real" system file locations.



"SG" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>>>>Have you tried TweakUAC. It suppresses the UAC prompts but leave the
> underpinnings of the protection UAC provides intact.<<<
>
> David,
>
> TweakUAC is misleading and your reply isn't exactly true.
> It's best described by Ronnie Vernon MS-MVP and wish I had written this
> :>)
>
> Quote:
> This is a fallacy! If UAC cannot notify the user that a program is trying
> to
> gain global access to the system, then it is effectively 'disabled'. This
> so
> called 'quite mode' setting just changes a UAC registry setting to
> 'automatically elevate everything without prompting'. This means that when
> you click to open a file, it is 'assumed' that you already know that the
> file will have unrestricted access to your computer.
>
> The main thing that UAC does is to detect when a program or application
> tries to access restricted parts of the system or registry that requires
> administrator privileges. When a program does this, UAC will prompt the
> user
> for administrative elevation. Without this prompt, UAC cannot warn the
> user,
> which means that it is effectively disabled.
>
> Some people will tell you that using "quiet mode" will still let IE run in
> protected mode, but this just isn't true. Without the UAC prompt, a
> malicious file that runs from a website can run, without restrictions, and
> silently.
>
> Another issue is that with UAC prompt disabled, some legitimate procedures
> will just silently fail to work properly, with no notification, if you are
> logged on with a Standard User account, since the application cannot
> notify
> you that administrative privileges are required.
>
> Even the developer of the TweakUAC utility includes this statement about
> his
> product.
> "if you are an experienced user and have some understanding of how to
> manage
> your Windows settings properly, you can safely use the quiet mode of UAC."
> In my opinion, if you are an experienced user, the last thing you would
> want
> to do is turn off the UAC notification.
>
> If you 'are' an experienced user, then you would already know how to
> temporarily bypass the UAC prompt to perform just about any procedure in
> Vista, such as running programs from an elevated command prompt, or using
> an
> elevated instance of windows explorer.
>
> The last problem I have with this so-called 'quiet mode' is that it
> dissuades developers from programming their applications to run in a least
> user privilege environment.
> End Quote
>
> --
> All the best,
> SG
>
> Is your computer system ready for Vista?
> https://winqual.microsoft.com/hcl/
>
> "David P." <> wrote in message
> news:enmsl%...
>> Have you tried TweakUAC. It suppresses the UAC prompts but leave the
>> underpinnings of the protection UAC provides intact.
>>
>> "Swampthing" <> wrote in message
>> news:10D46609-FD32-4E08-95DE-...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks from C-Swampthing.
>>>
> SNIPPED

=?Utf-8?B?U3dhbXB0aGluZw==?= <> wrote
in news:10D46609-FD32-4E08-95DE-:

>

I tell everyone that buys a Windows Vista PC that when they get the UAC
prompt that's because something is about to happen that's going to change
your system. If you are installing a program then hit Continue, but if it
comes up and you're not sure, err on the side of caution and hit cancel.

I think UAC is a huge help, espically for home users, but that's just my
opinion.

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-A.

I agree that UAC is a good thing, also especially for home users. Keeping
UAC active needs a little patience, mostly when you first start using Vista
and are installing a lot of your favorite programs, but I am glad it was
developed. I appreciate the separate layer that comes up for authorization
input.

Other than impatience, I don't understand why there has been so much
resistance to UAC ... vanilla


"Andy [YaYa]" <> wrote in message
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> =?Utf-8?B?U3dhbXB0aGluZw==?= <> wrote
> in news:10D46609-FD32-4E08-95DE-:
>
>>
>
> I tell everyone that buys a Windows Vista PC that when they get the UAC
> prompt that's because something is about to happen that's going to change
> your system. If you are installing a program then hit Continue, but if it
> comes up and you're not sure, err on the side of caution and hit cancel.
>
> I think UAC is a huge help, espically for home users, but that's just my
> opinion.
>
> --
> -A.

"vanilla" <> wrote in
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> I agree that UAC is a good thing, also especially for home users.
> Keeping UAC active needs a little patience, mostly when you first
> start using Vista and are installing a lot of your favorite programs,
> but I am glad it was developed. I appreciate the separate layer that
> comes up for authorization input.
>
> Other than impatience, I don't understand why there has been so much
> resistance to UAC ... vanilla

Because it doesn't always work, occasionally a program just freaks out when
it tries to elevate and with older apps, you end up disabling the feature
anyways.

Now if it was something like how Linux/OSX does it, then that'd be fine,
their "UAC Like" security works, and it works with all their application,
old and new.

Microsoft wanted to reinvent the wheel when all they really needed to do
was copy a great existing method.

I digress.

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-A.

I have never run into an instance where UAC did not work, it works every
single time as it should when I use it,
and I have been using Vista for a year. If you have problems, then you
probably have a screwed up system (bad hardware or old drivers). There is
nothing better about the way unix/linux do their protection, uac is slightly
better
because you can set it so you just have to click OK instead of enterring
your password and since programs are locked out when you get a UAC prompt
nothing can spoof it and click OK behind your back.

"Andy [YaYa]" <> wrote in message
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> "vanilla" <> wrote in
> news:e2XA$:
>
>> I agree that UAC is a good thing, also especially for home users.
>> Keeping UAC active needs a little patience, mostly when you first
>> start using Vista and are installing a lot of your favorite programs,
>> but I am glad it was developed. I appreciate the separate layer that
>> comes up for authorization input.
>>
>> Other than impatience, I don't understand why there has been so much
>> resistance to UAC ... vanilla
>
> Because it doesn't always work, occasionally a program just freaks out
> when
> it tries to elevate and with older apps, you end up disabling the feature
> anyways.
>
> Now if it was something like how Linux/OSX does it, then that'd be fine,
> their "UAC Like" security works, and it works with all their application,
> old and new.
>
> Microsoft wanted to reinvent the wheel when all they really needed to do
> was copy a great existing method.
>
> I digress.
>
> --
> -A.