UAC sucks. Ask us once, then don't ask again

Microsoft continues to wonder why Vista does not sell as well as they
hoped.

One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security,
while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run.
That is just plain stupid, and trains the user to blindly approve the
program. If the user interface was not plain stupid, it would ask us
ONCE to approve a new or unknown program, instead of asking us over and
over again to approve it. That is what Leapard on my Powermac does.

Did Microsoft implement it this way because they don't have faith in
their ability to keep a database of 'approved programs' secure from
hackers?

The most concise example of user interface stupidity is that I have to
approve the Microsoft disk cleanup utility to run EACH time I run it.
Moronic software.

And, if you disable UAC, Microsoft Vista will nag you to death to turn
it back on.

Another way that UAC bites me on the rear is when I attempt to update
my Jeppesen Jeppview 3 approach charts. If I don't sit by the computer,
and stay
ready to approve the just downloaded update to run, it times out, and I
have
to start the whole update download again. This is on my Windows Vista
Home
Basic machine.

I currently own three computers running Vista, and three that still run
WinXP. I also use my PowerMac, running Leapard OS. I also operate a
couple of Linux machines.
I'm a software engineer, and understand a fair amount about security
issues.

The emperor is wearing no clothes. But no doubt, people on this forum
will reply telling me how wonderful UAC is, and why I should blindly
love it as they do.

Chris Shaker


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cjshaker;918728 Wrote:
> Microsoft continues to wonder why Vista does not sell as well as the
> hoped
>
> One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security
> while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run
> That is just plain stupid, and trains the user to blindly approve th
> program. If the user interface was not plain stupid, it would ask u
> ONCE to approve a new or unknown program, instead of asking us over an
> over again to approve it. That is what Leapard on my Powermac does
>
> Did Microsoft implement it this way because they don't have faith i
> their ability to keep a database of 'approved programs' secure fro
> hackers
>
> The most concise example of user interface stupidity is that I have t
> approve the Microsoft disk cleanup utility to run EACH time I run it
> Moronic software
>
> And, if you disable UAC, Microsoft Vista will nag you to death to tur
> it back on
>
> Another way that UAC bites me on the rear is when I attempt to updat
> my Jeppesen Jeppview 3 approach charts. If I don't sit by the computer
> and sta
> ready to approve the just downloaded update to run, it times out, and
> hav
> to start the whole update download again. This is on my Windows Vist
> Hom
> Basic machine
>
> I currently own three computers running Vista, and three that still ru
> WinXP. I also use my PowerMac, running Leapard OS. I also operate
> couple of Linux machines
> I'm a software engineer, and understand a fair amount about securit
> issues
>
> The emperor is wearing no clothes. But no doubt, people on this foru
> will reply telling me how wonderful UAC is, and why I should blindl
> love it as they do
>
> Chris Shake

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I don't like it either, but here's one suggestion that has made UAC much
easier for me to swallow:
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...hut_off_v.html

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"cjshaker" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Microsoft continues to wonder why Vista does not sell as well as they
> hoped.
>
> One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security,
> while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run.
> That is just plain stupid, and trains the user to blindly approve the
> program. If the user interface was not plain stupid, it would ask us
> ONCE to approve a new or unknown program, instead of asking us over and
> over again to approve it. That is what Leapard on my Powermac does.
>
> Did Microsoft implement it this way because they don't have faith in
> their ability to keep a database of 'approved programs' secure from
> hackers?
>
> The most concise example of user interface stupidity is that I have to
> approve the Microsoft disk cleanup utility to run EACH time I run it.
> Moronic software.
>
> And, if you disable UAC, Microsoft Vista will nag you to death to turn
> it back on.
>
> Another way that UAC bites me on the rear is when I attempt to update
> my Jeppesen Jeppview 3 approach charts. If I don't sit by the computer,
> and stay
> ready to approve the just downloaded update to run, it times out, and I
> have
> to start the whole update download again. This is on my Windows Vista
> Home
> Basic machine.
>
> I currently own three computers running Vista, and three that still run
> WinXP. I also use my PowerMac, running Leapard OS. I also operate a
> couple of Linux machines.
> I'm a software engineer, and understand a fair amount about security
> issues.
>
> The emperor is wearing no clothes. But no doubt, people on this forum
> will reply telling me how wonderful UAC is, and why I should blindly
> love it as they do.
>
> Chris Shaker
>
>
> --
> cjshaker

"cjshaker" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Microsoft continues to wonder why Vista does not sell as well as they
> hoped.
>
> One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security,
> while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run.
> That is just plain stupid,

Not at all. All OS's that are FAR more secure than Windows have the same
function. (Linux, Unix, MAC etc etc.) Get used to it.

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Em Terça, 23 de Dezembro de 2008 22:50, Gordon escreveu:

> "cjshaker" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> Microsoft continues to wonder why Vista does not sell as well as they
>> hoped.
>>
>> One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security,
>> while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run.
>> That is just plain stupid,
>
> Not at all. All OS's that are FAR more secure than Windows have the same
> function. (Linux, Unix, MAC etc etc.) Get used to it.
>
There is no UAC in linux, and nothing like it.

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Sthief Ballmer <> wrote:

>There is no UAC in linux, and nothing like it.

That's because in Linux and all the other *nix variants, you never run in Admin
mode unless you are asking for trouble. It's been that way from the beginning
and anyone writing software for *nix knows that.

With Windows, there are far too many legacy programs that require admin rights
to run and still too many new ones being written by people who don't know any
better.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:59:28 -0600, cjshaker wrote:

> Microsoft continues to wonder why Vista does not sell as well as they
> hoped.
>
> One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security,
> while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run.
> That is just plain stupid, and trains the user to blindly approve the
> program. If the user interface was not plain stupid, it would ask us
> ONCE to approve a new or unknown program, instead of asking us over and
> over again to approve it. That is what Leapard on my Powermac does.
>
> Did Microsoft implement it this way because they don't have faith in
> their ability to keep a database of 'approved programs' secure from
> hackers?
>
> The most concise example of user interface stupidity is that I have to
> approve the Microsoft disk cleanup utility to run EACH time I run it.
> Moronic software.
>
> And, if you disable UAC, Microsoft Vista will nag you to death to turn
> it back on.
>
> Another way that UAC bites me on the rear is when I attempt to update
> my Jeppesen Jeppview 3 approach charts. If I don't sit by the computer,
> and stay
> ready to approve the just downloaded update to run, it times out, and I
> have
> to start the whole update download again. This is on my Windows Vista
> Home
> Basic machine.
>
> I currently own three computers running Vista, and three that still run
> WinXP. I also use my PowerMac, running Leapard OS. I also operate a
> couple of Linux machines.
> I'm a software engineer, and understand a fair amount about security
> issues.
>
> The emperor is wearing no clothes. But no doubt, people on this forum
> will reply telling me how wonderful UAC is, and why I should blindly
> love it as they do.

Five Misunderstood Features in Windows Vista
¡E User Account Control
¡E Image management
¡E Display Driver Model
¡E Search
¡E 64 bit architecture
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:50:54 -0000, "Gordon"
<> wrote:

>>
>> One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security,
>> while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run.
>> That is just plain stupid,
>
>Not at all. All OS's that are FAR more secure than Windows have the same
>function. (Linux, Unix, MAC etc etc.) Get used to it.

But they managed to implement it in a selective fashion only when
needed so that it doesn't needlessly **** off the user community. That
would be the difference between "proper security" and "blanket denial
of access".

> Five Misunderstood Features in Windows Vista
> ¡E User Account Control
> ¡E Image management
> ¡E Display Driver Model
> ¡E Search
> ¡E 64 bit architecture
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...DisplayLang=en

I understand it, and it's intent.
Too bad they did such a **** poor job of implementing it.
But after seeing the how the rest of the OS was designed, it's no surprise.

"cjshaker" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Microsoft continues to wonder why Vista does not sell as well as they
> hoped.
>
> One of the reasons is the UAC. It supposedly increases our security,
> while asking us over and over again to approve the SAME program to run.


Then that same program is not Vista compliant......complain to the vendors
not MS...
The whole essence of computer security is to run as a Standard User NOT an
Admin. Thus Linux, Unix and MAC.

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