Ubuntu really sucks

Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they have the
uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code that doesn't work
on top of more code that doesn't work until they have turned their OS into a
garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for the most part everything worked. Some
things were missing concerning support of newer Eees, but then they released
Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04. 9.04 could only have been released completely untested,
as they missed something as stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which
caused every Intel card out there to crawl during any OpenGL function. There
is no excuse for their release of alpha grade drivers and less than alpha
grade kernel code into their release distribution.

In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as "gold"
"stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing packages and
patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of performance out of their
Eees. We spent days working on documenting all of the fixes that need to be
applied to 9.04 to get it to some semblance of stable. Even then, don't turn
compiz on and suspend because your super cool new "stable" version of xorg
will consistently segfault leaving you at a GDM screen without your data
being saved in any of the applications it unloads out from underneath
itself.

Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and xrandr
can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it thinks it did.
Not only that but since your rfkill devices are re-ordered at boot, the only
way to get the right one is to trigger them both and hope for the best
unless you like nasty greps in something that should respond instantly. When
you consider WIFI if you don't trigger one, sleep, then trigger the other
it's not going to work anyway even though it will think it did. If you
trigger rfkill, but you see that NetworkManager still has your WIFI
disabled, yeah, that's because it's looking at the other one. Oh and don't
put away the force pciehp edit that you put in your menu.list for Jaunty
because even though there's a cool kernel mode setting feature, they still
haven't fixed that bug that's existed since *2.6.28*. No, there is nothing
that I can do about the notifications clogging up your screens, Ubuntu's
shiny new notification system STILL ignores the expiration time option from
notify-send and apparently now defaults to more than 10 seconds before
expiring a notification. Oh and the scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d
yeah they only trigger sometimes now. So, if you have my utilities installed
in 9.10 and you are wondering why it doesn't trigger to powersave when you
unplug power, you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu team for creating even more
bugs in this "great" operating system by switching to devkit rather than
choosing to stick with something stable and mature.

"Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss" <> wrote in message
news:hep10e$5lv$...
> Ubuntu sucks.

And YOU are one of the stupid bastards who have helped MS to use web forums
for Win 7 and not newsgroups.

IDIOT

"Gordon" <> wrote in message
news:eN##...
>
> "Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss" <> wrote in message
> news:hep10e$5lv$...
>> Ubuntu sucks.
>
> And YOU are one of the stupid bastards who have helped MS to use web
> forums for Win 7 and not newsgroups.
>
> IDIOT

Err - Not true <sigh> you NET COP moron. Err. Umm.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:24 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:

> Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they have
> the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code that
> doesn't work on top of more code that doesn't work until they have
> turned their OS into a garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for the most
> part everything worked. Some things were missing concerning support of
> newer Eees, but then they released Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04. 9.04 could only
> have been released completely untested, as they missed something as
> stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which caused every Intel card out
> there to crawl during any OpenGL function. There is no excuse for their
> release of alpha grade drivers and less than alpha grade kernel code
> into their release distribution.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


>
> In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as "gold"
> "stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing packages
> and patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of performance out of
> their Eees. We spent days working on documenting all of the fixes that
> need to be applied to 9.04 to get it to some semblance of stable. Even
> then, don't turn compiz on and suspend because your super cool new
> "stable" version of xorg will consistently segfault leaving you at a GDM
> screen without your data being saved in any of the applications it
> unloads out from underneath itself.
>
> Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and xrandr
> can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it thinks it
> did. Not only that but since your rfkill devices are re-ordered at boot,
> the only way to get the right one is to trigger them both and hope for
> the best unless you like nasty greps in something that should respond
> instantly. When you consider WIFI if you don't trigger one, sleep, then
> trigger the other it's not going to work anyway even though it will
> think it did. If you trigger rfkill, but you see that NetworkManager
> still has your WIFI disabled, yeah, that's because it's looking at the
> other one. Oh and don't put away the force pciehp edit that you put in
> your menu.list for Jaunty because even though there's a cool kernel mode
> setting feature, they still haven't fixed that bug that's existed since
> *2.6.28*. No, there is nothing that I can do about the notifications
> clogging up your screens, Ubuntu's shiny new notification system STILL
> ignores the expiration time option from notify-send and apparently now
> defaults to more than 10 seconds before expiring a notification. Oh and
> the scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d yeah they only trigger
> sometimes now. So, if you have my utilities installed in 9.10 and you
> are wondering why it doesn't trigger to powersave when you unplug power,
> you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu team for creating even more bugs in
> this "great" operating system by switching to devkit rather than
> choosing to stick with something stable and mature.

You no likey; you no gotta usey. Open Source is all about CHOICE.

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:56:41 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:

> "ray" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:24 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>
>>> Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they have
>>> the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code that
>>> doesn't work on top of more code that doesn't work until they have
>>> turned their OS into a garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for the most
>>> part everything worked. Some things were missing concerning support of
>>> newer Eees, but then they released Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04. 9.04 could only
>>> have been released completely untested, as they missed something as
>>> stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which caused every Intel card
>>> out there to crawl during any OpenGL function. There is no excuse for
>>> their release of alpha grade drivers and less than alpha grade kernel
>>> code into their release distribution.
>>
>> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>> In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as "gold"
>>> "stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing
>>> packages and patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of
>>> performance out of their Eees. We spent days working on documenting
>>> all of the fixes that need to be applied to 9.04 to get it to some
>>> semblance of stable. Even then, don't turn compiz on and suspend
>>> because your super cool new "stable" version of xorg will consistently
>>> segfault leaving you at a GDM screen without your data being saved in
>>> any of the applications it unloads out from underneath itself.
>>>
>>> Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and
>>> xrandr can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it
>>> thinks it did. Not only that but since your rfkill devices are
>>> re-ordered at boot, the only way to get the right one is to trigger
>>> them both and hope for the best unless you like nasty greps in
>>> something that should respond instantly. When you consider WIFI if you
>>> don't trigger one, sleep, then trigger the other it's not going to
>>> work anyway even though it will think it did. If you trigger rfkill,
>>> but you see that NetworkManager still has your WIFI disabled, yeah,
>>> that's because it's looking at the other one. Oh and don't put away
>>> the force pciehp edit that you put in your menu.list for Jaunty
>>> because even though there's a cool kernel mode setting feature, they
>>> still haven't fixed that bug that's existed since *2.6.28*. No, there
>>> is nothing that I can do about the notifications clogging up your
>>> screens, Ubuntu's shiny new notification system STILL ignores the
>>> expiration time option from notify-send and apparently now defaults to
>>> more than 10 seconds before expiring a notification. Oh and the
>>> scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d yeah they only trigger sometimes
>>> now. So, if you have my utilities installed in 9.10 and you are
>>> wondering why it doesn't trigger to powersave when you unplug power,
>>> you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu team for creating even more bugs in
>>> this "great" operating system by switching to devkit rather than
>>> choosing to stick with something stable and mature.
>>
>> You no likey; you no gotta usey. Open Source is all about CHOICE.
>
> With Open Source, most choose NOT to use Open Source. Ever wonder why
> Ubuntu is on very few desktops even though Ubuntu is FREE and has been
> FREE for years? Maybe it's because the product sucks and everyone knows
> it except you and Alias.

Or, it could have something to do with the fact that it's virtually
impossible for the average consumer to even find it pre-loaded. BTW -
you'd have a hard sell to the patrons at the local library. 13 of 14
public access internet computers run Linux (not all Ubuntu, BTW) and they
seem to get along fine.

ray wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:56:41 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>
>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:24 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they have
>>>> the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code that
>>>> doesn't work on top of more code that doesn't work until they have
>>>> turned their OS into a garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for the most
>>>> part everything worked. Some things were missing concerning support of
>>>> newer Eees, but then they released Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04. 9.04 could only
>>>> have been released completely untested, as they missed something as
>>>> stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which caused every Intel card
>>>> out there to crawl during any OpenGL function. There is no excuse for
>>>> their release of alpha grade drivers and less than alpha grade kernel
>>>> code into their release distribution.
>>> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as "gold"
>>>> "stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing
>>>> packages and patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of
>>>> performance out of their Eees. We spent days working on documenting
>>>> all of the fixes that need to be applied to 9.04 to get it to some
>>>> semblance of stable. Even then, don't turn compiz on and suspend
>>>> because your super cool new "stable" version of xorg will consistently
>>>> segfault leaving you at a GDM screen without your data being saved in
>>>> any of the applications it unloads out from underneath itself.
>>>>
>>>> Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and
>>>> xrandr can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it
>>>> thinks it did. Not only that but since your rfkill devices are
>>>> re-ordered at boot, the only way to get the right one is to trigger
>>>> them both and hope for the best unless you like nasty greps in
>>>> something that should respond instantly. When you consider WIFI if you
>>>> don't trigger one, sleep, then trigger the other it's not going to
>>>> work anyway even though it will think it did. If you trigger rfkill,
>>>> but you see that NetworkManager still has your WIFI disabled, yeah,
>>>> that's because it's looking at the other one. Oh and don't put away
>>>> the force pciehp edit that you put in your menu.list for Jaunty
>>>> because even though there's a cool kernel mode setting feature, they
>>>> still haven't fixed that bug that's existed since *2.6.28*. No, there
>>>> is nothing that I can do about the notifications clogging up your
>>>> screens, Ubuntu's shiny new notification system STILL ignores the
>>>> expiration time option from notify-send and apparently now defaults to
>>>> more than 10 seconds before expiring a notification. Oh and the
>>>> scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d yeah they only trigger sometimes
>>>> now. So, if you have my utilities installed in 9.10 and you are
>>>> wondering why it doesn't trigger to powersave when you unplug power,
>>>> you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu team for creating even more bugs in
>>>> this "great" operating system by switching to devkit rather than
>>>> choosing to stick with something stable and mature.
>>> You no likey; you no gotta usey. Open Source is all about CHOICE.
>> With Open Source, most choose NOT to use Open Source. Ever wonder why
>> Ubuntu is on very few desktops even though Ubuntu is FREE and has been
>> FREE for years? Maybe it's because the product sucks and everyone knows
>> it except you and Alias.
>
> Or, it could have something to do with the fact that it's virtually
> impossible for the average consumer to even find it pre-loaded. BTW -
> you'd have a hard sell to the patrons at the local library. 13 of 14
> public access internet computers run Linux (not all Ubuntu, BTW) and they
> seem to get along fine.

You're replying to a moronic True Microsoft Believer. You'd do better
with a rock.

Alias

ray wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:26:34 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>
>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:56:41 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:24 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they
>>>>>> have the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code
>>>>>> that doesn't work on top of more code that doesn't work until they
>>>>>> have turned their OS into a garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for
>>>>>> the most part everything worked. Some things were missing concerning
>>>>>> support of newer Eees, but then they released Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04.
>>>>>> 9.04 could only have been released completely untested, as they
>>>>>> missed something as stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which
>>>>>> caused every Intel card out there to crawl during any OpenGL
>>>>>> function. There is no excuse for their release of alpha grade
>>>>>> drivers and less than alpha grade kernel code into their release
>>>>>> distribution.
>>>>> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as "gold"
>>>>>> "stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing
>>>>>> packages and patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of
>>>>>> performance out of their Eees. We spent days working on documenting
>>>>>> all of the fixes that need to be applied to 9.04 to get it to some
>>>>>> semblance of stable. Even then, don't turn compiz on and suspend
>>>>>> because your super cool new "stable" version of xorg will
>>>>>> consistently segfault leaving you at a GDM screen without your data
>>>>>> being saved in any of the applications it unloads out from
>>>>>> underneath itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and
>>>>>> xrandr can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it
>>>>>> thinks it did. Not only that but since your rfkill devices are
>>>>>> re-ordered at boot, the only way to get the right one is to trigger
>>>>>> them both and hope for the best unless you like nasty greps in
>>>>>> something that should respond instantly. When you consider WIFI if
>>>>>> you don't trigger one, sleep, then trigger the other it's not going
>>>>>> to work anyway even though it will think it did. If you trigger
>>>>>> rfkill, but you see that NetworkManager still has your WIFI
>>>>>> disabled, yeah, that's because it's looking at the other one. Oh and
>>>>>> don't put away the force pciehp edit that you put in your menu.list
>>>>>> for Jaunty because even though there's a cool kernel mode setting
>>>>>> feature, they still haven't fixed that bug that's existed since
>>>>>> *2.6.28*. No, there is nothing that I can do about the notifications
>>>>>> clogging up your screens, Ubuntu's shiny new notification system
>>>>>> STILL ignores the expiration time option from notify-send and
>>>>>> apparently now defaults to more than 10 seconds before expiring a
>>>>>> notification. Oh and the scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d yeah
>>>>>> they only trigger sometimes now. So, if you have my utilities
>>>>>> installed in 9.10 and you are wondering why it doesn't trigger to
>>>>>> powersave when you unplug power, you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu
>>>>>> team for creating even more bugs in this "great" operating system by
>>>>>> switching to devkit rather than choosing to stick with something
>>>>>> stable and mature.
>>>>> You no likey; you no gotta usey. Open Source is all about CHOICE.
>>>> With Open Source, most choose NOT to use Open Source. Ever wonder why
>>>> Ubuntu is on very few desktops even though Ubuntu is FREE and has been
>>>> FREE for years? Maybe it's because the product sucks and everyone
>>>> knows it except you and Alias.
>>> Or, it could have something to do with the fact that it's virtually
>>> impossible for the average consumer to even find it pre-loaded. BTW -
>>> you'd have a hard sell to the patrons at the local library. 13 of 14
>>> public access internet computers run Linux (not all Ubuntu, BTW) and
>>> they seem to get along fine.
>> Of course they are. At the library all they do is search the web or
>> read e-mail. Ubuntu is capable of doing that.
>>
>> For most people, Ubuntu/Linux isn't an option because they want an
>> Operating System that works and they don't want to have to use cryptic
>> line commands to get that junk working.
>
> Ah - I see you've not even tried it.

Microsoft said it. The Nymshifter believed it and that settled it.

Alias

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:26:34 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:

> "ray" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:56:41 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>
>>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:24 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they
>>>>> have the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code
>>>>> that doesn't work on top of more code that doesn't work until they
>>>>> have turned their OS into a garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for
>>>>> the most part everything worked. Some things were missing concerning
>>>>> support of newer Eees, but then they released Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04.
>>>>> 9.04 could only have been released completely untested, as they
>>>>> missed something as stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which
>>>>> caused every Intel card out there to crawl during any OpenGL
>>>>> function. There is no excuse for their release of alpha grade
>>>>> drivers and less than alpha grade kernel code into their release
>>>>> distribution.
>>>>
>>>> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as "gold"
>>>>> "stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing
>>>>> packages and patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of
>>>>> performance out of their Eees. We spent days working on documenting
>>>>> all of the fixes that need to be applied to 9.04 to get it to some
>>>>> semblance of stable. Even then, don't turn compiz on and suspend
>>>>> because your super cool new "stable" version of xorg will
>>>>> consistently segfault leaving you at a GDM screen without your data
>>>>> being saved in any of the applications it unloads out from
>>>>> underneath itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and
>>>>> xrandr can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it
>>>>> thinks it did. Not only that but since your rfkill devices are
>>>>> re-ordered at boot, the only way to get the right one is to trigger
>>>>> them both and hope for the best unless you like nasty greps in
>>>>> something that should respond instantly. When you consider WIFI if
>>>>> you don't trigger one, sleep, then trigger the other it's not going
>>>>> to work anyway even though it will think it did. If you trigger
>>>>> rfkill, but you see that NetworkManager still has your WIFI
>>>>> disabled, yeah, that's because it's looking at the other one. Oh and
>>>>> don't put away the force pciehp edit that you put in your menu.list
>>>>> for Jaunty because even though there's a cool kernel mode setting
>>>>> feature, they still haven't fixed that bug that's existed since
>>>>> *2.6.28*. No, there is nothing that I can do about the notifications
>>>>> clogging up your screens, Ubuntu's shiny new notification system
>>>>> STILL ignores the expiration time option from notify-send and
>>>>> apparently now defaults to more than 10 seconds before expiring a
>>>>> notification. Oh and the scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d yeah
>>>>> they only trigger sometimes now. So, if you have my utilities
>>>>> installed in 9.10 and you are wondering why it doesn't trigger to
>>>>> powersave when you unplug power, you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu
>>>>> team for creating even more bugs in this "great" operating system by
>>>>> switching to devkit rather than choosing to stick with something
>>>>> stable and mature.
>>>>
>>>> You no likey; you no gotta usey. Open Source is all about CHOICE.
>>>
>>> With Open Source, most choose NOT to use Open Source. Ever wonder why
>>> Ubuntu is on very few desktops even though Ubuntu is FREE and has been
>>> FREE for years? Maybe it's because the product sucks and everyone
>>> knows it except you and Alias.
>>
>> Or, it could have something to do with the fact that it's virtually
>> impossible for the average consumer to even find it pre-loaded. BTW -
>> you'd have a hard sell to the patrons at the local library. 13 of 14
>> public access internet computers run Linux (not all Ubuntu, BTW) and
>> they seem to get along fine.
>
> Of course they are. At the library all they do is search the web or
> read e-mail. Ubuntu is capable of doing that.

Certainly they do that. They also receive and send e-mail, write reports
(using abiword and/or OpenOffice), do database and spreadsheets, edit web
pages, edit and resize photos . . . Pretty much what anyone else would
do. Ubuntu and other Linux distributions are capable of doing that.

>
> For most people, Ubuntu/Linux isn't an option because they want an
> Operating System that works and they don't want to have to use cryptic
> line commands to get that junk working.

Certainly you may do that if you wish - you also don't have to if you
don't want to - you'd see if you ever even tried it!

Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:hepeb5$8ar$...
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:26:34 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:56:41 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:24 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they
>>>>>>>> have the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code
>>>>>>>> that doesn't work on top of more code that doesn't work until they
>>>>>>>> have turned their OS into a garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for
>>>>>>>> the most part everything worked. Some things were missing
>>>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>>> support of newer Eees, but then they released Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04.
>>>>>>>> 9.04 could only have been released completely untested, as they
>>>>>>>> missed something as stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which
>>>>>>>> caused every Intel card out there to crawl during any OpenGL
>>>>>>>> function. There is no excuse for their release of alpha grade
>>>>>>>> drivers and less than alpha grade kernel code into their release
>>>>>>>> distribution.
>>>>>>> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as
>>>>>>>> "gold"
>>>>>>>> "stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing
>>>>>>>> packages and patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of
>>>>>>>> performance out of their Eees. We spent days working on documenting
>>>>>>>> all of the fixes that need to be applied to 9.04 to get it to some
>>>>>>>> semblance of stable. Even then, don't turn compiz on and suspend
>>>>>>>> because your super cool new "stable" version of xorg will
>>>>>>>> consistently segfault leaving you at a GDM screen without your data
>>>>>>>> being saved in any of the applications it unloads out from
>>>>>>>> underneath itself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and
>>>>>>>> xrandr can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it
>>>>>>>> thinks it did. Not only that but since your rfkill devices are
>>>>>>>> re-ordered at boot, the only way to get the right one is to trigger
>>>>>>>> them both and hope for the best unless you like nasty greps in
>>>>>>>> something that should respond instantly. When you consider WIFI if
>>>>>>>> you don't trigger one, sleep, then trigger the other it's not going
>>>>>>>> to work anyway even though it will think it did. If you trigger
>>>>>>>> rfkill, but you see that NetworkManager still has your WIFI
>>>>>>>> disabled, yeah, that's because it's looking at the other one. Oh
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> don't put away the force pciehp edit that you put in your menu.list
>>>>>>>> for Jaunty because even though there's a cool kernel mode setting
>>>>>>>> feature, they still haven't fixed that bug that's existed since
>>>>>>>> *2.6.28*. No, there is nothing that I can do about the
>>>>>>>> notifications
>>>>>>>> clogging up your screens, Ubuntu's shiny new notification system
>>>>>>>> STILL ignores the expiration time option from notify-send and
>>>>>>>> apparently now defaults to more than 10 seconds before expiring a
>>>>>>>> notification. Oh and the scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d yeah
>>>>>>>> they only trigger sometimes now. So, if you have my utilities
>>>>>>>> installed in 9.10 and you are wondering why it doesn't trigger to
>>>>>>>> powersave when you unplug power, you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu
>>>>>>>> team for creating even more bugs in this "great" operating
>>>>>>>> system by
>>>>>>>> switching to devkit rather than choosing to stick with something
>>>>>>>> stable and mature.
>>>>>>> You no likey; you no gotta usey. Open Source is all about CHOICE.
>>>>>> With Open Source, most choose NOT to use Open Source. Ever wonder
>>>>>> why
>>>>>> Ubuntu is on very few desktops even though Ubuntu is FREE and has
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> FREE for years? Maybe it's because the product sucks and everyone
>>>>>> knows it except you and Alias.
>>>>> Or, it could have something to do with the fact that it's virtually
>>>>> impossible for the average consumer to even find it pre-loaded. BTW -
>>>>> you'd have a hard sell to the patrons at the local library. 13 of 14
>>>>> public access internet computers run Linux (not all Ubuntu, BTW) and
>>>>> they seem to get along fine.
>>>> Of course they are. At the library all they do is search the web or
>>>> read e-mail. Ubuntu is capable of doing that.
>>>>
>>>> For most people, Ubuntu/Linux isn't an option because they want an
>>>> Operating System that works and they don't want to have to use cryptic
>>>> line commands to get that junk working.
>>>
>>> Ah - I see you've not even tried it.
>>
>> Microsoft said it. The Nymshifter believed it and that settled it.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Horseshit!
>
>

You spread a lot of that around too.

Alias

Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:hep5op$4mo$...
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:56:41 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ray" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:07:24 -0800, Ezeloe Blanche Cloeiss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu sucks. Instead of moving forward with every release, they have
>>>>>> the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code that
>>>>>> doesn't work on top of more code that doesn't work until they have
>>>>>> turned their OS into a garbage salad. 8.10 was GREAT, and for the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> part everything worked. Some things were missing concerning
>>>>>> support of
>>>>>> newer Eees, but then they released Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04. 9.04 could
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> have been released completely untested, as they missed something as
>>>>>> stupid as the Intel tiling kernel bug which caused every Intel card
>>>>>> out there to crawl during any OpenGL function. There is no excuse for
>>>>>> their release of alpha grade drivers and less than alpha grade kernel
>>>>>> code into their release distribution.
>>>>> If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to work around all of the bugs that 9.04 released as "gold"
>>>>>> "stable" code, one must spend at a minimum 30 minutes replacing
>>>>>> packages and patching mtrr bugs to get a reasonable level of
>>>>>> performance out of their Eees. We spent days working on documenting
>>>>>> all of the fixes that need to be applied to 9.04 to get it to some
>>>>>> semblance of stable. Even then, don't turn compiz on and suspend
>>>>>> because your super cool new "stable" version of xorg will
>>>>>> consistently
>>>>>> segfault leaving you at a GDM screen without your data being saved in
>>>>>> any of the applications it unloads out from underneath itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now we have Karmic coming down the pike in just a few weeks, and
>>>>>> xrandr can't even take you from 1024x600 to 800x600 even though it
>>>>>> thinks it did. Not only that but since your rfkill devices are
>>>>>> re-ordered at boot, the only way to get the right one is to trigger
>>>>>> them both and hope for the best unless you like nasty greps in
>>>>>> something that should respond instantly. When you consider WIFI if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> don't trigger one, sleep, then trigger the other it's not going to
>>>>>> work anyway even though it will think it did. If you trigger rfkill,
>>>>>> but you see that NetworkManager still has your WIFI disabled, yeah,
>>>>>> that's because it's looking at the other one. Oh and don't put away
>>>>>> the force pciehp edit that you put in your menu.list for Jaunty
>>>>>> because even though there's a cool kernel mode setting feature, they
>>>>>> still haven't fixed that bug that's existed since *2.6.28*. No, there
>>>>>> is nothing that I can do about the notifications clogging up your
>>>>>> screens, Ubuntu's shiny new notification system STILL ignores the
>>>>>> expiration time option from notify-send and apparently now
>>>>>> defaults to
>>>>>> more than 10 seconds before expiring a notification. Oh and the
>>>>>> scripts that live in /etc/pm/power.d yeah they only trigger sometimes
>>>>>> now. So, if you have my utilities installed in 9.10 and you are
>>>>>> wondering why it doesn't trigger to powersave when you unplug power,
>>>>>> you can thank the wonderful Ubuntu team for creating even more
>>>>>> bugs in
>>>>>> this "great" operating system by switching to devkit rather than
>>>>>> choosing to stick with something stable and mature.
>>>>> You no likey; you no gotta usey. Open Source is all about CHOICE.
>>>> With Open Source, most choose NOT to use Open Source. Ever wonder why
>>>> Ubuntu is on very few desktops even though Ubuntu is FREE and has been
>>>> FREE for years? Maybe it's because the product sucks and everyone
>>>> knows
>>>> it except you and Alias.
>>>
>>> Or, it could have something to do with the fact that it's virtually
>>> impossible for the average consumer to even find it pre-loaded. BTW -
>>> you'd have a hard sell to the patrons at the local library. 13 of 14
>>> public access internet computers run Linux (not all Ubuntu, BTW) and
>>> they seem to get along fine.
>>
>> You're replying to a moronic True Microsoft Believer. You'd do better
>> with a rock.
>>
>> Alias
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> Look who the cat dragged in. Mr. Ubuntu himself. You don't like my
> posts, then don't reply.

I wasn't replying to you.

> I am telling the truth. Most people reject
> Ubuntu as total garbage after they install it. All it takes is about an
> hour to realize what a piece of **** Ubuntu really is.

You never installed it or used it so you are no one to talk.

Alias
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