Is the "Up Folder" icon gone forever?

In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of the "Up
Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of the directory
tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality replaced by
the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?

--
Michael Hockstein

"michael" <> wrote in message
newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
> In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of the "Up
> Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of the
> directory
> tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality replaced
> by
> the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?

It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just click on
the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent to "go
up" multiple times in a single click.

OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
--
Michael Hockstein


"Nick" wrote:

> "michael" <> wrote in message
> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of the "Up
> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of the
> > directory
> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality replaced
> > by
> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
>
> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just click on
> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent to "go
> up" multiple times in a single click.
>
>

It's really a great feature called "Bread Crumbs". You can go up 1, 2, 3, 4,
or more folders with a click. Each subsequent folder has a drop down arrow
that you can hover and see all of the folders in that parent folder and
click a folder to go there. If you want to see the path to the current open
folder, click a blank spot in the Address Bar.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"michael" <> wrote in message
news:BAB3BB72-4170-4220-9E0A-...
> OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
> --
> Michael Hockstein
>
>
> "Nick" wrote:
>
>> "michael" <> wrote in message
>> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
>> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of the
>> > "Up
>> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of the
>> > directory
>> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality
>> > replaced
>> > by
>> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
>>
>> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just click
>> on
>> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent to
>> "go
>> up" multiple times in a single click.
>>
>>

I understand the usefulness of the bread crumbs feature but I know a lot of
users do and will want an older style up arrow. I'm sorry, but when 95% of
my navigating is back up just one directory I would like to have a single
button right there that I don't have to think much about. It is always there
and always in the same place relative to the window space. Yes, I know about
the keyboard shortcut ALT-UP. This is great but to use it you have to move
your hands back to the keyboard.

I'm not a UI designer but I know that when I am doing keyboard things I want
keyboard shortcuts and when I am doing mouse things I want mouse shortcuts
that are quick and easy to use and require no thought whatsoever. For
example, I would love to have a temporary number assigned to the top 10
folders in my current view and then hit Alt-0 or Alt-9 to navigate to this
directory. This would enable a keyboard only navigation.

Either way, SP2 for vista would be greatly enhanced with an option to have
the old up arrow returned. I'm all for progress but only when it's progress.
I suppose I'll have to live with the bread crumbs and perhaps I'll get used
to them but it seems like a such a simple thing to add optionally.

Thanks for reading.

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:

> It's really a great feature called "Bread Crumbs". You can go up 1, 2, 3, 4,
> or more folders with a click. Each subsequent folder has a drop down arrow
> that you can hover and see all of the folders in that parent folder and
> click a folder to go there. If you want to see the path to the current open
> folder, click a blank spot in the Address Bar.
>
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "michael" <> wrote in message
> news:BAB3BB72-4170-4220-9E0A-...
> > OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
> > --
> > Michael Hockstein
> >
> >
> > "Nick" wrote:
> >
> >> "michael" <> wrote in message
> >> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
> >> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of the
> >> > "Up
> >> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of the
> >> > directory
> >> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality
> >> > replaced
> >> > by
> >> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
> >>
> >> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just click
> >> on
> >> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent to
> >> "go
> >> up" multiple times in a single click.
> >>
> >>
>
>

Besides ALT+UP, you can select the just the Up Arrow to go up one folder in
the tree or the Left Arrow to go to the Parent folder. 2 clicks on the Left
Arrow will take you to the Parent Folder and collapse the tree to that
folder. If you select a collapsed folder, the Right Arrow key will expand
the folder, etc.

Try something different, besides these there are all kinds of clicks that
can make browsing folders much faster.

I just don't see any usefulness for a button that does exactly what a click
on the bread crumb does?

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"feltstone" <> wrote in message
news:B7F00060-EB67-46CE-8F97-...
>
> I understand the usefulness of the bread crumbs feature but I know a lot
> of
> users do and will want an older style up arrow. I'm sorry, but when 95%
> of
> my navigating is back up just one directory I would like to have a single
> button right there that I don't have to think much about. It is always
> there
> and always in the same place relative to the window space. Yes, I know
> about
> the keyboard shortcut ALT-UP. This is great but to use it you have to
> move
> your hands back to the keyboard.
>
> I'm not a UI designer but I know that when I am doing keyboard things I
> want
> keyboard shortcuts and when I am doing mouse things I want mouse shortcuts
> that are quick and easy to use and require no thought whatsoever. For
> example, I would love to have a temporary number assigned to the top 10
> folders in my current view and then hit Alt-0 or Alt-9 to navigate to this
> directory. This would enable a keyboard only navigation.
>
> Either way, SP2 for vista would be greatly enhanced with an option to have
> the old up arrow returned. I'm all for progress but only when it's
> progress.
> I suppose I'll have to live with the bread crumbs and perhaps I'll get
> used
> to them but it seems like a such a simple thing to add optionally.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:
>
>> It's really a great feature called "Bread Crumbs". You can go up 1, 2, 3,
>> 4,
>> or more folders with a click. Each subsequent folder has a drop down
>> arrow
>> that you can hover and see all of the folders in that parent folder and
>> click a folder to go there. If you want to see the path to the current
>> open
>> folder, click a blank spot in the Address Bar.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ronnie Vernon
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "michael" <> wrote in message
>> news:BAB3BB72-4170-4220-9E0A-...
>> > OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
>> > --
>> > Michael Hockstein
>> >
>> >
>> > "Nick" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "michael" <> wrote in message
>> >> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
>> >> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of
>> >> > the
>> >> > "Up
>> >> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of the
>> >> > directory
>> >> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality
>> >> > replaced
>> >> > by
>> >> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
>> >>
>> >> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just
>> >> click
>> >> on
>> >> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent to
>> >> "go
>> >> up" multiple times in a single click.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>

The up button is a psycho-motor skill. That means it requires almost no
thinking. Your neurons have grown that way. The bread crumb requires
thinking and decision making. It is slower. People's sense of time slow when
they are thinking and making decisons so bread crumbs are a bad idea.

I always set Explorer to show full path in address bar, If I wanted to jump
up two levels then I swiped the mouse over the end of the path selecting the
sub folders, right click the selected text, Delete, click Go button. So the
"bread crumb feature" offers nothing new.

But I would normally just hit the Up button 4 times. Lot quicker.

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Besides ALT+UP, you can select the just the Up Arrow to go up one folder
> in the tree or the Left Arrow to go to the Parent folder. 2 clicks on the
> Left Arrow will take you to the Parent Folder and collapse the tree to
> that folder. If you select a collapsed folder, the Right Arrow key will
> expand the folder, etc.
>
> Try something different, besides these there are all kinds of clicks that
> can make browsing folders much faster.
>
> I just don't see any usefulness for a button that does exactly what a
> click on the bread crumb does?
>
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "feltstone" <> wrote in message
> news:B7F00060-EB67-46CE-8F97-...
>>
>> I understand the usefulness of the bread crumbs feature but I know a lot
>> of
>> users do and will want an older style up arrow. I'm sorry, but when 95%
>> of
>> my navigating is back up just one directory I would like to have a single
>> button right there that I don't have to think much about. It is always
>> there
>> and always in the same place relative to the window space. Yes, I know
>> about
>> the keyboard shortcut ALT-UP. This is great but to use it you have to
>> move
>> your hands back to the keyboard.
>>
>> I'm not a UI designer but I know that when I am doing keyboard things I
>> want
>> keyboard shortcuts and when I am doing mouse things I want mouse
>> shortcuts
>> that are quick and easy to use and require no thought whatsoever. For
>> example, I would love to have a temporary number assigned to the top 10
>> folders in my current view and then hit Alt-0 or Alt-9 to navigate to
>> this
>> directory. This would enable a keyboard only navigation.
>>
>> Either way, SP2 for vista would be greatly enhanced with an option to
>> have
>> the old up arrow returned. I'm all for progress but only when it's
>> progress.
>> I suppose I'll have to live with the bread crumbs and perhaps I'll get
>> used
>> to them but it seems like a such a simple thing to add optionally.
>>
>> Thanks for reading.
>>
>> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:
>>
>>> It's really a great feature called "Bread Crumbs". You can go up 1, 2,
>>> 3, 4,
>>> or more folders with a click. Each subsequent folder has a drop down
>>> arrow
>>> that you can hover and see all of the folders in that parent folder and
>>> click a folder to go there. If you want to see the path to the current
>>> open
>>> folder, click a blank spot in the Address Bar.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ronnie Vernon
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>
>>>
>>> "michael" <> wrote in message
>>> news:BAB3BB72-4170-4220-9E0A-...
>>> > OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
>>> > --
>>> > Michael Hockstein
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Nick" wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> "michael" <> wrote in message
>>> >> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
>>> >> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > "Up
>>> >> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of the
>>> >> > directory
>>> >> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality
>>> >> > replaced
>>> >> > by
>>> >> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
>>> >>
>>> >> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just
>>> >> click
>>> >> on
>>> >> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent
>>> >> to
>>> >> "go
>>> >> up" multiple times in a single click.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
>

I actually felt the same way when we first started beta testing, old habits
die hard.

Once the initial shock was over, I found that bread crumbs work very well. I
like the idea of being able to return to a previous folder that may be
several steps back from whatever folder I'm current in, with a single click.
Also, there is a small arrow wedged in between the Forward button and the
Path bar that gives you a way to go back to any previous place, in the
current session. You can also get the full path in the address bar by simply
clicking an empty spot there and return to the bread crumb view by hitting
escape or clicking anywhere in the current folder.

I just find the whole setup to be faster, much more intuitive, and
versatile, once you get used to it.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


<.> wrote in message news:...
> The up button is a psycho-motor skill. That means it requires almost no
> thinking. Your neurons have grown that way. The bread crumb requires
> thinking and decision making. It is slower. People's sense of time slow
> when they are thinking and making decisons so bread crumbs are a bad idea.
>
> I always set Explorer to show full path in address bar, If I wanted to
> jump up two levels then I swiped the mouse over the end of the path
> selecting the sub folders, right click the selected text, Delete, click Go
> button. So the "bread crumb feature" offers nothing new.
>
> But I would normally just hit the Up button 4 times. Lot quicker.
>
> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Besides ALT+UP, you can select the just the Up Arrow to go up one folder
>> in the tree or the Left Arrow to go to the Parent folder. 2 clicks on the
>> Left Arrow will take you to the Parent Folder and collapse the tree to
>> that folder. If you select a collapsed folder, the Right Arrow key will
>> expand the folder, etc.
>>
>> Try something different, besides these there are all kinds of clicks that
>> can make browsing folders much faster.
>>
>> I just don't see any usefulness for a button that does exactly what a
>> click on the bread crumb does?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ronnie Vernon
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "feltstone" <> wrote in message
>> news:B7F00060-EB67-46CE-8F97-...
>>>
>>> I understand the usefulness of the bread crumbs feature but I know a lot
>>> of
>>> users do and will want an older style up arrow. I'm sorry, but when 95%
>>> of
>>> my navigating is back up just one directory I would like to have a
>>> single
>>> button right there that I don't have to think much about. It is always
>>> there
>>> and always in the same place relative to the window space. Yes, I know
>>> about
>>> the keyboard shortcut ALT-UP. This is great but to use it you have to
>>> move
>>> your hands back to the keyboard.
>>>
>>> I'm not a UI designer but I know that when I am doing keyboard things I
>>> want
>>> keyboard shortcuts and when I am doing mouse things I want mouse
>>> shortcuts
>>> that are quick and easy to use and require no thought whatsoever. For
>>> example, I would love to have a temporary number assigned to the top 10
>>> folders in my current view and then hit Alt-0 or Alt-9 to navigate to
>>> this
>>> directory. This would enable a keyboard only navigation.
>>>
>>> Either way, SP2 for vista would be greatly enhanced with an option to
>>> have
>>> the old up arrow returned. I'm all for progress but only when it's
>>> progress.
>>> I suppose I'll have to live with the bread crumbs and perhaps I'll get
>>> used
>>> to them but it seems like a such a simple thing to add optionally.
>>>
>>> Thanks for reading.
>>>
>>> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's really a great feature called "Bread Crumbs". You can go up 1, 2,
>>>> 3, 4,
>>>> or more folders with a click. Each subsequent folder has a drop down
>>>> arrow
>>>> that you can hover and see all of the folders in that parent folder and
>>>> click a folder to go there. If you want to see the path to the current
>>>> open
>>>> folder, click a blank spot in the Address Bar.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ronnie Vernon
>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "michael" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:BAB3BB72-4170-4220-9E0A-...
>>>> > OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
>>>> > --
>>>> > Michael Hockstein
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Nick" wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> "michael" <> wrote in message
>>>> >> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
>>>> >> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > "Up
>>>> >> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > directory
>>>> >> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality
>>>> >> > replaced
>>>> >> > by
>>>> >> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just
>>>> >> click
>>>> >> on
>>>> >> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> "go
>>>> >> up" multiple times in a single click.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>

Hi Ronnie,

Try copying and pasting a folder like this:

C:\Program Files\ComPlus Applications\{86269A1B-CF38-11D1-AADD-00C04FA30E92}

into you're Start->Run window. On my new vista laptop this window will pop
up and I cannot see the parent folder. And there is no history to browse
through. I have to maximize my window and then evaluate where on the
screenspace is the parent folder and then click it.

Every time I click on the bread crumb links I have to think about
<i>where</i> to click. Every time I click on my history back button (or the
middle arrow drop-down) I have to think about where I came from. Or I just
click on it and it might not take me where I want to go. The back button
will work a lot of the time but not always.

I don't know if you have any real sway with Microsoft on this issue but I
know of enough users who would like the option of the old up arrow. Why is
that such a difficult thing? The bread crumbs feature and history buttons
might be the easiest way for you to navigate but I can logically see flaws in
this interface. At least from a productivity standpoint.

Either way, it appears Microsoft hasn't listened to complaints from users
who miss the old way. And I believe it's just not missing old habits but a
serious downgrade in simplicity. Let's keep the bread crumbs but have the
option of having an "up folder" arrow.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I will keep trying not to hate it this
new OS and try and stop looking for ways to downgrade without paying more
money.


"Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:

> I actually felt the same way when we first started beta testing, old habits
> die hard.
>
> Once the initial shock was over, I found that bread crumbs work very well. I
> like the idea of being able to return to a previous folder that may be
> several steps back from whatever folder I'm current in, with a single click.
> Also, there is a small arrow wedged in between the Forward button and the
> Path bar that gives you a way to go back to any previous place, in the
> current session. You can also get the full path in the address bar by simply
> clicking an empty spot there and return to the bread crumb view by hitting
> escape or clicking anywhere in the current folder.
>
> I just find the whole setup to be faster, much more intuitive, and
> versatile, once you get used to it.
>
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
>
> <.> wrote in message news:...
> > The up button is a psycho-motor skill. That means it requires almost no
> > thinking. Your neurons have grown that way. The bread crumb requires
> > thinking and decision making. It is slower. People's sense of time slow
> > when they are thinking and making decisons so bread crumbs are a bad idea.
> >
> > I always set Explorer to show full path in address bar, If I wanted to
> > jump up two levels then I swiped the mouse over the end of the path
> > selecting the sub folders, right click the selected text, Delete, click Go
> > button. So the "bread crumb feature" offers nothing new.
> >
> > But I would normally just hit the Up button 4 times. Lot quicker.
> >
> > "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <> wrote in message
> > news:%...
> >> Besides ALT+UP, you can select the just the Up Arrow to go up one folder
> >> in the tree or the Left Arrow to go to the Parent folder. 2 clicks on the
> >> Left Arrow will take you to the Parent Folder and collapse the tree to
> >> that folder. If you select a collapsed folder, the Right Arrow key will
> >> expand the folder, etc.
> >>
> >> Try something different, besides these there are all kinds of clicks that
> >> can make browsing folders much faster.
> >>
> >> I just don't see any usefulness for a button that does exactly what a
> >> click on the bread crumb does?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Ronnie Vernon
> >> Microsoft MVP
> >> Windows Shell/User
> >>
> >>
> >> "feltstone" <> wrote in message
> >> news:B7F00060-EB67-46CE-8F97-...
> >>>
> >>> I understand the usefulness of the bread crumbs feature but I know a lot
> >>> of
> >>> users do and will want an older style up arrow. I'm sorry, but when 95%
> >>> of
> >>> my navigating is back up just one directory I would like to have a
> >>> single
> >>> button right there that I don't have to think much about. It is always
> >>> there
> >>> and always in the same place relative to the window space. Yes, I know
> >>> about
> >>> the keyboard shortcut ALT-UP. This is great but to use it you have to
> >>> move
> >>> your hands back to the keyboard.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not a UI designer but I know that when I am doing keyboard things I
> >>> want
> >>> keyboard shortcuts and when I am doing mouse things I want mouse
> >>> shortcuts
> >>> that are quick and easy to use and require no thought whatsoever. For
> >>> example, I would love to have a temporary number assigned to the top 10
> >>> folders in my current view and then hit Alt-0 or Alt-9 to navigate to
> >>> this
> >>> directory. This would enable a keyboard only navigation.
> >>>
> >>> Either way, SP2 for vista would be greatly enhanced with an option to
> >>> have
> >>> the old up arrow returned. I'm all for progress but only when it's
> >>> progress.
> >>> I suppose I'll have to live with the bread crumbs and perhaps I'll get
> >>> used
> >>> to them but it seems like a such a simple thing to add optionally.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for reading.
> >>>
> >>> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's really a great feature called "Bread Crumbs". You can go up 1, 2,
> >>>> 3, 4,
> >>>> or more folders with a click. Each subsequent folder has a drop down
> >>>> arrow
> >>>> that you can hover and see all of the folders in that parent folder and
> >>>> click a folder to go there. If you want to see the path to the current
> >>>> open
> >>>> folder, click a blank spot in the Address Bar.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Ronnie Vernon
> >>>> Microsoft MVP
> >>>> Windows Shell/User
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "michael" <> wrote in message
> >>>> news:BAB3BB72-4170-4220-9E0A-...
> >>>> > OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > Michael Hockstein
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > "Nick" wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >> "michael" <> wrote in message
> >>>> >> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
> >>>> >> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence of
> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >> > "Up
> >>>> >> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of
> >>>> >> > the
> >>>> >> > directory
> >>>> >> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality
> >>>> >> > replaced
> >>>> >> > by
> >>>> >> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now just
> >>>> >> click
> >>>> >> on
> >>>> >> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other parent
> >>>> >> to
> >>>> >> "go
> >>>> >> up" multiple times in a single click.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>

Feltstone

I understand what you are saying and don't worry, your concerns and
preferences are being heard. Usually changes to the UI are changed as part
of a service pack, as opposed to a hotfix.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"feltstone" <> wrote in message
news:C9605558-E57D-40DA-A9C7-...
> Hi Ronnie,
>
> Try copying and pasting a folder like this:
>
> C:\Program Files\ComPlus
> Applications\{86269A1B-CF38-11D1-AADD-00C04FA30E92}
>
> into you're Start->Run window. On my new vista laptop this window will
> pop
> up and I cannot see the parent folder. And there is no history to browse
> through. I have to maximize my window and then evaluate where on the
> screenspace is the parent folder and then click it.
>
> Every time I click on the bread crumb links I have to think about
> <i>where</i> to click. Every time I click on my history back button (or
> the
> middle arrow drop-down) I have to think about where I came from. Or I
> just
> click on it and it might not take me where I want to go. The back button
> will work a lot of the time but not always.
>
> I don't know if you have any real sway with Microsoft on this issue but I
> know of enough users who would like the option of the old up arrow. Why
> is
> that such a difficult thing? The bread crumbs feature and history buttons
> might be the easiest way for you to navigate but I can logically see flaws
> in
> this interface. At least from a productivity standpoint.
>
> Either way, it appears Microsoft hasn't listened to complaints from users
> who miss the old way. And I believe it's just not missing old habits but
> a
> serious downgrade in simplicity. Let's keep the bread crumbs but have the
> option of having an "up folder" arrow.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the suggestions. I will keep trying not to hate it
> this
> new OS and try and stop looking for ways to downgrade without paying more
> money.
>
>
> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:
>
>> I actually felt the same way when we first started beta testing, old
>> habits
>> die hard.
>>
>> Once the initial shock was over, I found that bread crumbs work very
>> well. I
>> like the idea of being able to return to a previous folder that may be
>> several steps back from whatever folder I'm current in, with a single
>> click.
>> Also, there is a small arrow wedged in between the Forward button and the
>> Path bar that gives you a way to go back to any previous place, in the
>> current session. You can also get the full path in the address bar by
>> simply
>> clicking an empty spot there and return to the bread crumb view by
>> hitting
>> escape or clicking anywhere in the current folder.
>>
>> I just find the whole setup to be faster, much more intuitive, and
>> versatile, once you get used to it.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ronnie Vernon
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> <.> wrote in message news:...
>> > The up button is a psycho-motor skill. That means it requires almost no
>> > thinking. Your neurons have grown that way. The bread crumb requires
>> > thinking and decision making. It is slower. People's sense of time slow
>> > when they are thinking and making decisons so bread crumbs are a bad
>> > idea.
>> >
>> > I always set Explorer to show full path in address bar, If I wanted to
>> > jump up two levels then I swiped the mouse over the end of the path
>> > selecting the sub folders, right click the selected text, Delete, click
>> > Go
>> > button. So the "bread crumb feature" offers nothing new.
>> >
>> > But I would normally just hit the Up button 4 times. Lot quicker.
>> >
>> > "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <> wrote in message
>> > news:%...
>> >> Besides ALT+UP, you can select the just the Up Arrow to go up one
>> >> folder
>> >> in the tree or the Left Arrow to go to the Parent folder. 2 clicks on
>> >> the
>> >> Left Arrow will take you to the Parent Folder and collapse the tree to
>> >> that folder. If you select a collapsed folder, the Right Arrow key
>> >> will
>> >> expand the folder, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Try something different, besides these there are all kinds of clicks
>> >> that
>> >> can make browsing folders much faster.
>> >>
>> >> I just don't see any usefulness for a button that does exactly what a
>> >> click on the bread crumb does?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Ronnie Vernon
>> >> Microsoft MVP
>> >> Windows Shell/User
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "feltstone" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:B7F00060-EB67-46CE-8F97-...
>> >>>
>> >>> I understand the usefulness of the bread crumbs feature but I know a
>> >>> lot
>> >>> of
>> >>> users do and will want an older style up arrow. I'm sorry, but when
>> >>> 95%
>> >>> of
>> >>> my navigating is back up just one directory I would like to have a
>> >>> single
>> >>> button right there that I don't have to think much about. It is
>> >>> always
>> >>> there
>> >>> and always in the same place relative to the window space. Yes, I
>> >>> know
>> >>> about
>> >>> the keyboard shortcut ALT-UP. This is great but to use it you have
>> >>> to
>> >>> move
>> >>> your hands back to the keyboard.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not a UI designer but I know that when I am doing keyboard things
>> >>> I
>> >>> want
>> >>> keyboard shortcuts and when I am doing mouse things I want mouse
>> >>> shortcuts
>> >>> that are quick and easy to use and require no thought whatsoever.
>> >>> For
>> >>> example, I would love to have a temporary number assigned to the top
>> >>> 10
>> >>> folders in my current view and then hit Alt-0 or Alt-9 to navigate to
>> >>> this
>> >>> directory. This would enable a keyboard only navigation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Either way, SP2 for vista would be greatly enhanced with an option to
>> >>> have
>> >>> the old up arrow returned. I'm all for progress but only when it's
>> >>> progress.
>> >>> I suppose I'll have to live with the bread crumbs and perhaps I'll
>> >>> get
>> >>> used
>> >>> to them but it seems like a such a simple thing to add optionally.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for reading.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> It's really a great feature called "Bread Crumbs". You can go up 1,
>> >>>> 2,
>> >>>> 3, 4,
>> >>>> or more folders with a click. Each subsequent folder has a drop down
>> >>>> arrow
>> >>>> that you can hover and see all of the folders in that parent folder
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> click a folder to go there. If you want to see the path to the
>> >>>> current
>> >>>> open
>> >>>> folder, click a blank spot in the Address Bar.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ronnie Vernon
>> >>>> Microsoft MVP
>> >>>> Windows Shell/User
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "michael" <> wrote in message
>> >>>> news:BAB3BB72-4170-4220-9E0A-...
>> >>>> > OK! I get it. Now I'll see if I like it.
>> >>>> > --
>> >>>> > Michael Hockstein
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > "Nick" wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >> "michael" <> wrote in message
>> >>>> >> newsDA51817-B145-40AB-ABDA-...
>> >>>> >> > In the new Windows Explorer of Vista, I've noticed the absence
>> >>>> >> > of
>> >>>> >> > the
>> >>>> >> > "Up
>> >>>> >> > Folder" icon (the one that let you move up to the next level of
>> >>>> >> > the
>> >>>> >> > directory
>> >>>> >> > tree with one click). Is it gone forever? Was the functionality
>> >>>> >> > replaced
>> >>>> >> > by
>> >>>> >> > the "Back" arrow or the "Folders" pane?
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> It's been replaced by the enhanced address bar... you can now
>> >>>> >> just
>> >>>> >> click
>> >>>> >> on
>> >>>> >> the name of the parent folder to go up to that, or any other
>> >>>> >> parent
>> >>>> >> to
>> >>>> >> "go
>> >>>> >> up" multiple times in a single click.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>>