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saneco
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The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster for most systems,
the support ist redicoulous. Non MS-firewalls block the installation! The installation if it works at all causes serious problems even in well operated and serviced PC-systems. The PC-ressources of Home-PCs are severely stressed and at the limit of ressources after installing the new SP2 update. The machine becomes extremely slow! The Installation takes if it works at all, 2 to 3 hours, with download, verification and installation. This is with a fast ADSL-connection. The widely used Norton antyvirus software ist not recognised, instead MS wants to sell now their own AntiVirus-Products. Any preinstalled Firewall will be inactivated and replaced by the MS-builtin firewall. There is no description, that the XP-operating-system ist severely changed with new and for many users absolutely unnecessary junk. In my case die LAN-WEB-connection was destroyed, the PC-IP-Adress was eliminated, no simple help or fix was awailable. I could not get the web-connection to work again. Most desastrous! SP2 can not be uninstalled! in contrast to the support-suggestions! There is no support and no info on this serious malfunction. The only function that was successful, was the XP system recovery function. Make sure, you set XP-recovery piont before using SP2 update! Better don't try to install PC2, this is piece of software junk, use instead the single safety updates for the moment, with the choice manual installation, do not use quick installation. |
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steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:25:03 -0700, saneco
<> wrote: >The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster for most systems, How big was your user sample? From my sample of one I must conclude that SP2 is excellent. That's because it only took 20 minutes and I had no problems at all. Steve -- EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks. Build networks from numeric, text and image files. http://www.easynn.com |
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Dar
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you're right XP SP2 is horrible junk!
recovery point is hit and miss as well. I did set a recovery point before installing SP2 but it's not there now when I need it! I'm going to f-disk and when i come back I'll be in linux Dar. "saneco" wrote: > The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster for most systems, > the support ist redicoulous. Non MS-firewalls block the installation! > The installation if it works at all causes serious problems even in > well operated and serviced PC-systems. The PC-ressources of > Home-PCs are severely stressed and at the limit of ressources after > installing the new SP2 update. The machine becomes extremely slow! > > The Installation takes if it works at all, 2 to 3 hours, with download, > verification and installation. This is with a fast ADSL-connection. > > The widely used Norton antyvirus software ist not recognised, instead > MS wants to sell now their own AntiVirus-Products. Any preinstalled > Firewall will be inactivated and replaced by the MS-builtin firewall. > > There is no description, that the XP-operating-system ist severely > changed with new and for many users absolutely unnecessary junk. > In my case die LAN-WEB-connection was destroyed, the PC-IP-Adress > was eliminated, no simple help or fix was awailable. I could not > get the web-connection to work again. > > Most desastrous! SP2 can not be uninstalled! in contrast to the > support-suggestions! There is no support and no info on this > serious malfunction. > > The only function that was successful, was the XP system recovery function. > Make sure, you set XP-recovery piont before using SP2 update! > > Better don't try to install PC2, this is piece of software junk, use instead > the single safety updates for the moment, with the choice manual > installation, do not use quick installation. > > |
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Dar
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I'm glad MS got it right for someone!
I've got a virually dead machine thanks to SP2 and since 8am this morning I've been posting to all the sites I've used for years to try and get solutions to the SP2 problems. I've never experienced anything like e-mail responses I've got so far,(54 people have e-mailed since 8:30 saying they've experienced the same or similar problems), I'm usualy lucky to get ONE response to a windows tech problem! I don't think the issue is whether you or me or any individual does a user survey, surely it's down to MS to ensure that they're releasing something that won't cause catastrophies on average user machines? Glad you're one of the lucky ones, Dar. "" wrote: > On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 04:25:03 -0700, saneco > <> wrote: > > >The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster for most systems, > > How big was your user sample? > > From my sample of one I must conclude that SP2 is excellent. That's > because it only took 20 minutes and I had no problems at all. > > > Steve > -- > EasyNN-plus. The easy way to build neural networks. > Build networks from numeric, text and image files. > http://www.easynn.com > |
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SP2 Serious Problems...HELP!
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I agree with you. After installing this, I can no longer use wireless and my
system is SO SLOW. I am tempted to uninstall this SP2, but I wish that Microsoft would fix the problem. Microsoft, if you are out there, HELP US! "saneco" wrote: > The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster for most systems, > the support ist redicoulous. Non MS-firewalls block the installation! > The installation if it works at all causes serious problems even in > well operated and serviced PC-systems. The PC-ressources of > Home-PCs are severely stressed and at the limit of ressources after > installing the new SP2 update. The machine becomes extremely slow! > > The Installation takes if it works at all, 2 to 3 hours, with download, > verification and installation. This is with a fast ADSL-connection. > > The widely used Norton antyvirus software ist not recognised, instead > MS wants to sell now their own AntiVirus-Products. Any preinstalled > Firewall will be inactivated and replaced by the MS-builtin firewall. > > There is no description, that the XP-operating-system ist severely > changed with new and for many users absolutely unnecessary junk. > In my case die LAN-WEB-connection was destroyed, the PC-IP-Adress > was eliminated, no simple help or fix was awailable. I could not > get the web-connection to work again. > > Most desastrous! SP2 can not be uninstalled! in contrast to the > support-suggestions! There is no support and no info on this > serious malfunction. > > The only function that was successful, was the XP system recovery function. > Make sure, you set XP-recovery piont before using SP2 update! > > Better don't try to install PC2, this is piece of software junk, use instead > the single safety updates for the moment, with the choice manual > installation, do not use quick installation. > > |
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Mike H
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"saneco" <> wrote in message news:FA9EC353-9200-4E61-A462-... > The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster for most systems, > the support ist redicoulous. reply.. many users found information and support in many places and have used the information to apply SP2 successfully.. your apparent inability to do the same is the fault of no one but yourself.. Non MS-firewalls block the installation! reply.. had you found the information on how to apply SP2, you would have disabled the firewall before installation.. > The installation if it works at all causes serious problems even in > well operated and serviced PC-systems. reply.. it categorically does NOT cause problems on well operated and serviced systems, because well operated and serviced system are owned by users who can find and act on information.. The PC-ressources of Home-PCs are severely stressed and at the limit of ressources after > installing the new SP2 update. The machine becomes extremely slow! reply.. it is the responsibility of the computer user/buyer to ensure that the machine has the necessary resources.. MS are not responsible for those people who insist that 128mb, 256mb and small hard drives that were produced with Win 98 installations in mind are anything like enough for the task of running XP in any form.. > > The Installation takes if it works at all, 2 to 3 hours, with download, > verification and installation. This is with a fast ADSL-connection. reply.. dependant also on the general overall speed of the computer in question.. refer to the previous reply line.. a P4 3.0ghz, 1.0gb RAM, large drive and ADSL will do a much faster job that a socket 370 Celeron 333, 256mb RAM and ADSL connection will ever manage.. > > The widely used Norton antyvirus software ist not recognised, reply.. Symantec had time to ensure that users of their products were made aware of any problems.. some users appear to be aware, others do not.. Symantec is still working on fixes for some of their products.. > MS wants to sell now their own AntiVirus-Products. Any preinstalled > Firewall will be inactivated and replaced by the MS-builtin firewall. reply.. MS have no firewall to sell.. the SP2 firewall is enabled by default in order to protect the initial installation when connected to the internet.. that is a good thing as some users still have no idea what a firewall is or does.. scary.. > > There is no description, that the XP-operating-system ist severely > changed with new and for many users absolutely unnecessary junk. reply.. any update that is as large as SP2 is obviously going to change more than a couple of items.. the term 'uneccessary junk' is purely subjective.. I will ignore that remark.. > In my case die LAN-WEB-connection was destroyed, the PC-IP-Adress > was eliminated, no simple help or fix was awailable. I could not > get the web-connection to work again. reply.. again, had you done any reearch at all, you may well have been able to overcome this problem.. > > Most desastrous! SP2 can not be uninstalled! in contrast to the > support-suggestions! There is no support and no info on this > serious malfunction. reply.. for many, a visit to ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS is all that is required.. did you look there?.. > > The only function that was successful, was the XP system recovery > function. > Make sure, you set XP-recovery piont before using SP2 update!.. reply.. SP2 sets its own recovery point in case of failure.. > > Better don't try to install PC2, this is piece of software junk, use > instead > the single safety updates for the moment, with the choice manual > installation, do not use quick installation. reply.. this statement is made on the basis that YOU had problems.. your problems arise from not researching.. nobody was forcing you to install SP2.. nobody said that you should not wait for fixes to 3rd party software before installing SP2.. The moral here is to research.. typing queries into a Google search brings up all kinds of help and support.. try using the facility instead of coming here and complaining that MS screwed up.. YOU screwed up.. live with it.. learn from it.. > |
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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There already were Beta versions of SP-2 available (RC-1 & RC-2)
available to everyone for several months before the final release of SP-2. Anyone that had concerns about their particular system could have tried them However what would you expect? The result would possibly be similar. Such testing is often better for businesses since they often have several machines and can adequately test on a small sampling and evaluate the affect if it was installed on all their systems. No one said SP-2 is "required", other than you that is. If you do not want to install SP-2 or want to wait, that is your choice. There is even a tool to help if you still want other Critical Updates through Automatic Update: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2aumng.mspx -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "jbelk" <> wrote in message news:317901c4a3ff$d3a6f9e0$... > Some of your points I will agree with but with others I > would choose to disagree. The primary one that I would > disagree with is your last point. Any upgrade that > requires a user to spend time searching for research on > issues and fixes for these issues before they install an > upgrade for a system that they paid money for has to be > considered suspect. I believe that Microsoft was perhaps > a little hasty in their desire to get something out to > counter the security issues that have impacted their > product that they rushed out a product. The upgrade > package should have been submitted perhaps as a general > beta version than being put on their required download > list. This would have allowed a more general overview of > the various issues prior to making this a "required" > download. I agree with you that a lot of people are not > aware of how to properly protect their home system and > thus allow hackers to damage the internet for all users. > I believe that Microsoft should address these security > issues but since MS is the defacto OS for the masses it > behoves them to consider that fact before placing > something this major available to the public. > >>-----Original Message----- >> >>"saneco" <> wrote in > message >>news:FA9EC353-9200-4E61-A462- > ... >>> The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster > for most systems, >>> the support ist redicoulous. >> >>reply.. many users found information and support in many > places and have >>used the information to apply SP2 successfully.. your > apparent inability to >>do the same is the fault of no one but yourself.. >> >> >>Non MS-firewalls block the installation! >> >>reply.. had you found the information on how to apply > SP2, you would have >>disabled the firewall before installation.. >> >> >>> The installation if it works at all causes serious > problems even in >>> well operated and serviced PC-systems. >> >>reply.. it categorically does NOT cause problems on well > operated and >>serviced systems, because well operated and serviced > system are owned by >>users who can find and act on information.. >> >> The PC-ressources of Home-PCs are severely stressed > and at the limit of >>ressources after >>> installing the new SP2 update. The machine becomes > extremely slow! >> >>reply.. it is the responsibility of the computer > user/buyer to ensure that >>the machine has the necessary resources.. MS are not > responsible for those >>people who insist that 128mb, 256mb and small hard > drives that were produced >>with Win 98 installations in mind are anything like > enough for the task of >>running XP in any form.. >>> >>> The Installation takes if it works at all, 2 to 3 > hours, with download, >>> verification and installation. This is with a fast > ADSL-connection. >> >>reply.. dependant also on the general overall speed of > the computer in >>question.. refer to the previous reply line.. a P4 > 3.0ghz, 1.0gb RAM, large >>drive and ADSL will do a much faster job that a socket > 370 Celeron 333, >>256mb RAM and ADSL connection will ever manage.. >>> >>> The widely used Norton antyvirus software ist not > recognised, >> >> >>reply.. Symantec had time to ensure that users of their > products were made >>aware of any problems.. some users appear to be aware, > others do not.. >>Symantec is still working on fixes for some of their > products.. >> >> >>> MS wants to sell now their own AntiVirus-Products. Any > preinstalled >>> Firewall will be inactivated and replaced by the MS- > builtin firewall. >> >>reply.. MS have no firewall to sell.. the SP2 firewall > is enabled by default >>in order to protect the initial installation when > connected to the >>internet.. that is a good thing as some users still have > no idea what a >>firewall is or does.. scary.. >>> >>> There is no description, that the XP-operating-system > ist severely >>> changed with new and for many users absolutely > unnecessary junk. >> >>reply.. any update that is as large as SP2 is obviously > going to change more >>than a couple of items.. the term 'uneccessary junk' is > purely subjective.. >>I will ignore that remark.. >> >> >>> In my case die LAN-WEB-connection was destroyed, the > PC-IP-Adress >>> was eliminated, no simple help or fix was awailable. I > could not >>> get the web-connection to work again. >> >>reply.. again, had you done any reearch at all, you may > well have been able >>to overcome this problem.. >>> >>> Most desastrous! SP2 can not be uninstalled! in > contrast to the >>> support-suggestions! There is no support and no info > on this >>> serious malfunction. >> >>reply.. for many, a visit to ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS is all > that is required.. >>did you look there?.. >>> >>> The only function that was successful, was the XP > system recovery >>> function. >>> Make sure, you set XP-recovery piont before using SP2 > update!.. >> >>reply.. SP2 sets its own recovery point in case of > failure.. >>> >>> Better don't try to install PC2, this is piece of > software junk, use >>> instead >>> the single safety updates for the moment, with the > choice manual >>> installation, do not use quick installation. >> >>reply.. this statement is made on the basis that YOU had > problems.. your >>problems arise from not researching.. nobody was forcing > you to install >>SP2.. nobody said that you should not wait for fixes to > 3rd party software >>before installing SP2.. >> >>The moral here is to research.. typing queries into a > Google search brings >>up all kinds of help and support.. try using the > facility instead of coming >>here and complaining that MS screwed up.. YOU screwed > up.. live with it.. >>learn from it.. >> >> >>> >> >> >>. >> |
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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"saneco" <> wrote in message
news:FA9EC353-9200-4E61-A462-... > The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster for most > systems, There has been a great deal of information, in and out of Microsoft. > the support ist redicoulous. Non MS-firewalls block the > installation! Really, not mine and others that I also know. > The installation if it works at all causes serious problems even in > well operated and serviced PC-systems. The PC-ressources of > Home-PCs are severely stressed and at the limit of ressources after > installing the new SP2 update. The machine becomes extremely slow! The installation works most of the time. It happens but not much that "PCs are severely stressed..." However it is normal and expected for the computer to be slower for about three days, the time it takes the prefetch file to rebuild. Taking drastic action before then is pointless. > > The Installation takes if it works at all, 2 to 3 hours, with > download, > verification and installation. This is with a fast ADSL-connection. Really? that is several times longer than it has taken me. > > The widely used Norton antyvirus software ist not recognised, > instead > MS wants to sell now their own AntiVirus-Products Microsoft does not sell antivirus. All recent versions of Norton are prcognized. However Norton needs to make an update available before the status can be monitored. That is the responsibility of the AV manufacturer if they decide to let Windows monitor their status. .. Any preinstalled > Firewall will be inactivated and replaced by the MS-builtin > firewall. Mine wasn't, in fact you can change at any time which you want to use. > > There is no description, that the XP-operating-system ist severely > changed with new and for many users absolutely unnecessary junk. > In my case die LAN-WEB-connection was destroyed, the PC-IP-Adress > was eliminated, no simple help or fix was awailable. I could not > get the web-connection to work again. Things happen in some cases. Most often the fix is quick and simple. > > Most desastrous! SP2 can not be uninstalled! in contrast to the > support-suggestions! There is no support and no info on this > serious malfunction. Yes it can, 2 ways. Add/Remove Programs System Restore > > The only function that was successful, was the XP system recovery > function. > Make sure, you set XP-recovery piont before using SP2 update! You mean system Restore? > > Better don't try to install PC2, this is piece of software junk, use > instead > the single safety updates for the moment, with the choice manual > installation, do not use quick installation. Do you mean Network Installation? Or what is "single safety updates for the moment, with the choice manualinstallation" Nothing can guarantee a flawless installation, but research and preparation can go a long way: http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/xpsp2.htm http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/spackins.htm -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ |
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Dar
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In reply to Mike H. I would like to point out that I received SP2 as an
automatic update which downloded and installed without my intervention or providing any advice. I agreed to this download and install contract with Microsoft because I wanted to receive critical updates for my computer which I need for when I work from home. I followed ALL onscreen instructions as provided but the point is that that the product malfunctioned very badly. Your argument that all computer users need to be fully experienced in every aspect of operating system technology is as completely spurious as suggesting that every car driver needs to be a fully qualified mechanic. Every car driver needs to be qualfied in how to drive a car not how to build and repair it. I didn't go to a 'back-street garage' to service my computer I went to the manufacturer - Microsoft - who gave me back a piece of junk. I wouldn't accept that from a car manufacturer and I don't see why I should accept it from a software manufacturer. If you have the time and interest to invest in operating system software engineering then good luck to you, but don't expect everyone else to share your interests or have the same priorities in life. "Mike H" wrote: > JB > > If you were to apply your thinking to computing in general, we would never > have made it past running DOS 2.11 on an 8086 processor.. look at how many > people try to load XP on a machine that was essentially designed for Win 95, > but just happened to be sold with Win 98.. are you telling us that it is not > the responsibility of the computer user to research whether or not the old > computer can handle XP?.. Microsoft have no control over what people try to > do with the Windows product line.. it is their job to produce > software/hardware and our job to learn how to use it.. > > Mike H > > "jbelk" <> wrote in message > news:317901c4a3ff$d3a6f9e0$... > > Some of your points I will agree with but with others I > > would choose to disagree. The primary one that I would > > disagree with is your last point. Any upgrade that > > requires a user to spend time searching for research on > > issues and fixes for these issues before they install an > > upgrade for a system that they paid money for has to be > > considered suspect. I believe that Microsoft was perhaps > > a little hasty in their desire to get something out to > > counter the security issues that have impacted their > > product that they rushed out a product. The upgrade > > package should have been submitted perhaps as a general > > beta version than being put on their required download > > list. This would have allowed a more general overview of > > the various issues prior to making this a "required" > > download. I agree with you that a lot of people are not > > aware of how to properly protect their home system and > > thus allow hackers to damage the internet for all users. > > I believe that Microsoft should address these security > > issues but since MS is the defacto OS for the masses it > > behoves them to consider that fact before placing > > something this major available to the public. > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >> > >>"saneco" <> wrote in > > message > >>news:FA9EC353-9200-4E61-A462- > > ... > >>> The poor Information on update SP2 is a major desaster > > for most systems, > >>> the support ist redicoulous. > >> > >>reply.. many users found information and support in many > > places and have > >>used the information to apply SP2 successfully.. your > > apparent inability to > >>do the same is the fault of no one but yourself.. > >> > >> > >>Non MS-firewalls block the installation! > >> > >>reply.. had you found the information on how to apply > > SP2, you would have > >>disabled the firewall before installation.. > >> > >> > >>> The installation if it works at all causes serious > > problems even in > >>> well operated and serviced PC-systems. > >> > >>reply.. it categorically does NOT cause problems on well > > operated and > >>serviced systems, because well operated and serviced > > system are owned by > >>users who can find and act on information.. > >> > >> The PC-ressources of Home-PCs are severely stressed > > and at the limit of > >>ressources after > >>> installing the new SP2 update. The machine becomes > > extremely slow! > >> > >>reply.. it is the responsibility of the computer > > user/buyer to ensure that > >>the machine has the necessary resources.. MS are not > > responsible for those > >>people who insist that 128mb, 256mb and small hard > > drives that were produced > >>with Win 98 installations in mind are anything like > > enough for the task of > >>running XP in any form.. > >>> > >>> The Installation takes if it works at all, 2 to 3 > > hours, with download, > >>> verification and installation. This is with a fast > > ADSL-connection. > >> > >>reply.. dependant also on the general overall speed of > > the computer in > >>question.. refer to the previous reply line.. a P4 > > 3.0ghz, 1.0gb RAM, large > >>drive and ADSL will do a much faster job that a socket > > 370 Celeron 333, > >>256mb RAM and ADSL connection will ever manage.. > >>> > >>> The widely used Norton antyvirus software ist not > > recognised, > >> > >> > >>reply.. Symantec had time to ensure that users of their > > products were made > >>aware of any problems.. some users appear to be aware, > > others do not.. > >>Symantec is still working on fixes for some of their > > products.. > >> > >> > >>> MS wants to sell now their own AntiVirus-Products. Any > > preinstalled > >>> Firewall will be inactivated and replaced by the MS- > > builtin firewall. > >> > >>reply.. MS have no firewall to sell.. the SP2 firewall > > is enabled by default > >>in order to protect the initial installation when > > connected to the > >>internet.. that is a good thing as some users still have > > no idea what a > >>firewall is or does.. scary.. > >>> > >>> There is no description, that the XP-operating-system > > ist severely > >>> changed with new and for many users absolutely > > unnecessary junk. > >> > >>reply.. any update that is as large as SP2 is obviously > > going to change more > >>than a couple of items.. the term 'uneccessary junk' is > > purely subjective.. > >>I will ignore that remark.. > >> > >> > >>> In my case die LAN-WEB-connection was destroyed, the > > PC-IP-Adress > >>> was eliminated, no simple help or fix was awailable. I > > could not > >>> get the web-connection to work again. > >> > >>reply.. again, had you done any reearch at all, you may > > well have been able > >>to overcome this problem.. > >>> > >>> Most desastrous! SP2 can not be uninstalled! in > > contrast to the > >>> support-suggestions! There is no support and no info > > on this > >>> serious malfunction. > >> > >>reply.. for many, a visit to ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS is all > > that is required.. > >>did you look there?.. > >>> > >>> The only function that was successful, was the XP > > system recovery > >>> function. > >>> Make sure, you set XP-recovery piont before using SP2 > > update!.. > >> > >>reply.. SP2 sets its own recovery point in case of > > failure.. > >>> > >>> Better don't try to install PC2, this is piece of > > software junk, use > >>> instead > >>> the single safety updates for the moment, with the > > choice manual > >>> installation, do not use quick installation. > >> > >>reply.. this statement is made on the basis that YOU had > > problems.. your > >>problems arise from not researching.. nobody was forcing > > you to install > >>SP2.. nobody said that you should not wait for fixes to > > 3rd party software > >>before installing SP2.. > >> > >>The moral here is to research.. typing queries into a > > Google search brings > >>up all kinds of help and support.. try using the > > facility instead of coming > >>here and complaining that MS screwed up.. YOU screwed > > up.. live with it.. > >>learn from it.. > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >>. > >> > > > |
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