USB power supply issue causes BSOD but only during Vista boot!

I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps Windows
Vista.

When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
(before login) I get a BSOD with the error being "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE".
The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB devices disconnected.

But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I can
connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.

My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find (Dr.
Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also tried.
I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the keyboard
and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the wireless
USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old legacy USB
keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.

I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W Antec
unit to a 600W unit.

It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and only
during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But, hello,
Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's some way
to disable this check?

Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just pulling
the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.

Jon

This is not an issue that others are reporting to my knowledge. I would
think that there is some sort of hardware incompatibility between the hub
and the computer, or the drivers (if supplied) and Vista.

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps Windows
>Vista.
>
> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE".
> The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB devices disconnected.
>
> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
> can connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>
> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
> (Dr. Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also
> tried. I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the
> keyboard and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the
> wireless USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old
> legacy USB keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>
> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W Antec
> unit to a 600W unit.
>
> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and only
> during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But, hello,
> Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's some way
> to disable this check?
>
> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
> pulling the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>
> Jon
>

Hmmm i had a similar problem, i found out that a USB device, was sharing the
same IRQ as another device on my computer, causing it to lock up and get the
BSOD, i had to manually change the IRQ settings, it may not be the problem
but u cud give it a go, go to start-control panel-system-device manager-under
the USB devices right click on each one and click on Resource, you will then
see a number next to IRQ, make sure than no devices under that USB list has
the same number, if so, you can change the conflicting device numberanywhere
between 12-15 (these are open IRQS) worth a shot.

"Jon Davis" wrote:

> I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
> Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps Windows
> Vista.
>
> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE".
> The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB devices disconnected.
>
> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I can
> connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>
> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find (Dr.
> Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also tried.
> I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the keyboard
> and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the wireless
> USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old legacy USB
> keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>
> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W Antec
> unit to a 600W unit.
>
> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and only
> during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But, hello,
> Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's some way
> to disable this check?
>
> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just pulling
> the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>
> Jon
>
>

sounds to me like the problem could be with your internal usb controller try
updating it on the device manager also i would try sticking a multimeter to
your power supply inputs and outputs sure youll be able to find the correct
voltage for your controllers on your internet.

"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps Windows
>Vista.
>
> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE".
> The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB devices disconnected.
>
> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
> can connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>
> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
> (Dr. Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also
> tried. I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the
> keyboard and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the
> wireless USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old
> legacy USB keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>
> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W Antec
> unit to a 600W unit.
>
> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and only
> during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But, hello,
> Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's some way
> to disable this check?
>
> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
> pulling the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>
> Jon
>

try here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/941600

"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps Windows
>Vista.
>
> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE".
> The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB devices disconnected.
>
> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
> can connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>
> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
> (Dr. Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also
> tried. I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the
> keyboard and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the
> wireless USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old
> legacy USB keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>
> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W Antec
> unit to a 600W unit.
>
> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and only
> during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But, hello,
> Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's some way
> to disable this check?
>
> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
> pulling the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>
> Jon
>

Do IRQ conflicts cause INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE error?

Jon

"Peadar" <> wrote in message
news:179075C2-D551-445A-A741-...
> Hmmm i had a similar problem, i found out that a USB device, was sharing
> the
> same IRQ as another device on my computer, causing it to lock up and get
> the
> BSOD, i had to manually change the IRQ settings, it may not be the problem
> but u cud give it a go, go to start-control panel-system-device
> manager-under
> the USB devices right click on each one and click on Resource, you will
> then
> see a number next to IRQ, make sure than no devices under that USB list
> has
> the same number, if so, you can change the conflicting device
> numberanywhere
> between 12-15 (these are open IRQS) worth a shot.
>
> "Jon Davis" wrote:
>
>> I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>> Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps
>> Windows
>> Vista.
>>
>> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
>> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being
>> "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE".
>> The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB devices disconnected.
>>
>> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
>> can
>> connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>>
>> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
>> (Dr.
>> Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also
>> tried.
>> I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the keyboard
>> and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the wireless
>> USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old legacy USB
>> keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>>
>> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W
>> Antec
>> unit to a 600W unit.
>>
>> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and
>> only
>> during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But,
>> hello,
>> Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's some
>> way
>> to disable this check?
>>
>> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
>> pulling
>> the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>

> sounds to me like the problem could be with your internal usb controller

Right, hence motherboard replacement, which I don't want to do because once
I plug in and log in, I can use the computer normally. Seems like Vista
should be the one to behave.

Jon

"matt hopkins" <> wrote in message
news:64DF9ACA-724D-4A60-A1C0-...
> sounds to me like the problem could be with your internal usb controller
> try updating it on the device manager also i would try sticking a
> multimeter to your power supply inputs and outputs sure youll be able to
> find the correct voltage for your controllers on your internet.
>
> "Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>>Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps
>>Windows Vista.
>>
>> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
>> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being
>> "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE". The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB
>> devices disconnected.
>>
>> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
>> can connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>>
>> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
>> (Dr. Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also
>> tried. I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the
>> keyboard and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the
>> wireless USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old
>> legacy USB keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>>
>> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W
>> Antec unit to a 600W unit.
>>
>> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and
>> only during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But,
>> hello, Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's
>> some way to disable this check?
>>
>> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
>> pulling the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>

Thanks. None of those relate to INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE

Jon


"Kue2" <> wrote in message
news:...
> try here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/941600
>
> "Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>>Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps
>>Windows Vista.
>>
>> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
>> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being
>> "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE". The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB
>> devices disconnected.
>>
>> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
>> can connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>>
>> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
>> (Dr. Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also
>> tried. I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the
>> keyboard and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the
>> wireless USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old
>> legacy USB keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>>
>> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W
>> Antec unit to a 600W unit.
>>
>> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and
>> only during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But,
>> hello, Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's
>> some way to disable this check?
>>
>> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
>> pulling the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>

Someone reported that Vista + VMWare + Wireless keyboard/mouse ==
INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE error. But that was on Vista x64. I have a wireless
keyboard/mouse, I just uninstalled VMWare. (Crossing fingers.)

http://www.google.com/search?q=internal_power_error+usb

Jon


"Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
news:...
> This is not an issue that others are reporting to my knowledge. I would
> think that there is some sort of hardware incompatibility between the hub
> and the computer, or the drivers (if supplied) and Vista.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>
>
> "Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>>Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps
>>Windows Vista.
>>
>> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
>> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being
>> "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE". The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB
>> devices disconnected.
>>
>> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
>> can connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>>
>> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
>> (Dr. Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had also
>> tried. I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook the
>> keyboard and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub, and the
>> wireless USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from some old
>> legacy USB keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem arose.
>>
>> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W
>> Antec unit to a 600W unit.
>>
>> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and
>> only during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But,
>> hello, Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's
>> some way to disable this check?
>>
>> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
>> pulling the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>

... But I'm downloading and installing anyway

Jon

"Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Thanks. None of those relate to INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE
>
> Jon
>
>
> "Kue2" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> try here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/941600
>>
>> "Jon Davis" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>I have a weird problem. I don't want to replace my motherboard (MSI P965
>>>Platinum), but I don't know what else this could be, except perhaps
>>>Windows Vista.
>>>
>>> When I boot up, around the time that it switches to high-resolution view
>>> (before login) I get a BSOD with the error being
>>> "INTERNAL_POWER_FAILURE". The BSOD goes away if I boot with ALL USB
>>> devices disconnected.
>>>
>>> But here's where I suspect it's Vista: once I get to the login screen, I
>>> can connect my USB hub and carry on like there's no problem.
>>>
>>> My USB hub is a the absolute best $60 high-powered USB hub I could find
>>> (Dr. Bott T7Hub), and it replaces a generic high-power USB hub I had
>>> also tried. I've found that the problem still exists even if I just hook
>>> the keyboard and mouse alone directly to the computer and no USB hub,
>>> and the wireless USB keyboard/mouse combo is also newly replaced from
>>> some old legacy USB keyboard and PS/2 mouse from long after the problem
>>> arose.
>>>
>>> I've replaced the chassis power supply as well, going up from a 500W
>>> Antec unit to a 600W unit.
>>>
>>> It seems Vista is doing some lame equalibrium test during boot-up and
>>> only during boot-up, and puking when it sees there's something odd. But,
>>> hello, Microsoft, that's the BIOS's job, not yours!! I wonder if there's
>>> some way to disable this check?
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, I've been using my compuer for about ten months now, just
>>> pulling the plug on the USB hub uplink until I get to the login screen.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>
>