Use of a WLE 2009 version on Vista/Win7 is not a forever possibility

I started using OE long ago and got accustomed to how it worked, so WLM just
seemed like the natural progression of that. It's a real shame about WLM
2011 being so anti-UseNet, because if it wasn't for that, I would probably
just learn to get proficient with it's new scheme. As for the time being,
WLM 2009 works well for me, and is easy to configure. Whenever MS drops it,
hopefully they'll have something more useful than the 2011 version to move
to.

On 3/24/2011 6:24 PM, KCB wrote:
> I started using OE long ago and got accustomed to how it worked, so WLM
> just seemed like the natural progression of that. It's a real shame
> about WLM 2011 being so anti-UseNet, because if it wasn't for that, I
> would probably just learn to get proficient with it's new scheme. As for
> the time being, WLM 2009 works well for me, and is easy to configure.
> Whenever MS drops it, hopefully they'll have something more useful than
> the 2011 version to move to.

The good news is that Microsoft is not the "only game in town"

Hi, KCB.

> It's a real shame about WLM 2011 being so anti-UseNet,

I don't agree with that remark. So far as I can see, WLM 2011 is no more
anti-Usenet than it is anti-email. Its irritations - improper quoting, use
of the Ribbon UI, etc. - apply equally to email and newsgroups.

Microsoft itself is anti-newsgroups and, as we all know, has shut down its
own news servers and newsgroups and moved its support to web forums. But I
still use WLM 2011 every day for Usenet newsgroups on my ISP's news server -
including several like this one that used to be hosted on the Microsoft news
server. While it took some getting used to, I am now about as comfy here as
I was in OE. ;<) (But I used to follow about 3 dozen MS newsgroups with
hundreds of posts per day; now only a handful of NGs have more than a dozen
posts daily.)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-9/30/10)
Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3508.1109) in Win7 Ultimate x64
SP1


"KCB" wrote in message news:imggan$mu2$...

I started using OE long ago and got accustomed to how it worked, so WLM just
seemed like the natural progression of that. It's a real shame about WLM
2011 being so anti-UseNet, because if it wasn't for that, I would probably
just learn to get proficient with it's new scheme. As for the time being,
WLM 2009 works well for me, and is easy to configure. Whenever MS drops it,
hopefully they'll have something more useful than the 2011 version to move
to.

It might be helpful (at least for discussion sake)if 'anti-Usenet' was
further defined or at least what feature (lack of) most applies in WLM
(e.g. prepended '>' for prior text, conversation threading moving new posts
to the top, etc).

Msft has had a loyal following for its 'free' products for newsgroups.
IMN(OE's predecessor), OE, WM and with each release some improvements and
carry over of old and new inherent problems. Some addressed, other issues
never fixed. WLM's evolution of user preferences afaics pretty much
follows that same pattern (since preference should include the total
population preference not just Usenet folks)

There is one important piece that I try to ensure folks understand (not all
are willing to listen either <g>). One single word in the name of the
program gives the largest clue which intended audience is being targeted
(and has been for some time) for all the current WLE suite of programs and
more importantly where focus (including resources, budget) will be
dedicated.

The 'single word' ? ---> ****Live****

I.e. By design and obvious integration (amongst other WLE applications and
web services) it is first and foremost for use with a Live ID. And that,
without any doubt imo, means the Hotmail and Messenger user base (outside
of Windows and Office those remain Msft's largest public non business
customer population) will remain for the 'foreseeable future' the targeted
audience which also indicates that UseNet is not and unlikely will ever be
a priority.

Like others, I'm disappointed in the closure of the Msft newsgroups and the
switch to forums though not necessarily from the loss of information (and
entertainment value) but the loss of some talented individuals who prefer
not to participate in the web forums.

Whether we (you, I, others) like it or not...it remains a 'Live'
product...and for a free suite of multiple applications for mail, news,
photos, video, blogging, messaging, social communication, sync across
multiple pcs etc. even with its real or perceived shortcomings it performs
quite well for its intended purpose --> Live.

--
....winston
msft mvp mail

"KCB" wrote in message news:imggan$mu2$...

I started using OE long ago and got accustomed to how it worked, so WLM
just
seemed like the natural progression of that. It's a real shame about WLM
2011 being so anti-UseNet, because if it wasn't for that, I would probably
just learn to get proficient with it's new scheme. As for the time being,
WLM 2009 works well for me, and is easy to configure. Whenever MS drops
it,
hopefully they'll have something more useful than the 2011 version to move
to.

"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:imhf9a$d4v$...
> It might be helpful (at least for discussion sake)if 'anti-Usenet' was
> further defined or at least what feature (lack of) most applies in WLM
> (e.g. prepended '>' for prior text, conversation threading moving new
> posts to the top, etc).

The reason I say "anti-Usenet" is specifically because of the lack of
quotation attribution marks (>). The code has been IN their programs for
this simple mark, for years, yet for some reason they deleted it in 2011.
Did the base code change so much that there was no possible way for it to
remain? That just doesn't seem plausible.

Like Magnus said, there are many other options available, but you all know
how it is to get used to using something on a daily basis. Every other
program, because it's different, just doesn't feel right. I've been testing
Xnews, XanaNews, and Gravity, for about the last month, and none of them
feel "right". And that's not saying they aren't great for a lot of people,
because I know they are.

I'm just ranting about the WLM change because, although some might say they
did it for the broader good, it seems they didn't take into account all of
the long-time users who started with Mail and have stayed the course
throughout.

I remarked on this quite a few months ago in this forum (prior to Msft
shutting down the msnews server)

The feature was present in prior WLM versions.
It did not function in the beta versions (public and private), thus it was
removed from the final version.

Why ?

Imo, rather than release it as an option that was not functional and having
to address support issues on the lack of feature present but not
functional, it was easier to remove the feature and if questioned the
**only** answer that support needs to provide is 'Feature removed by design
intent' and optionally (if support chooses to do so) to instruct the
questioner to submit feedback.

I.e. the loss of the feature is disappointing, but the removal was more
strategic regarding the support side

If its any consolation, it is recognized as a valid issue...whether or not
resources (and $$$) will be assigned to resolve is unknown...which is why
feedback at this stage (I'm doubtful it will be resolved in a QFE fix
[though I'd like to see it ]) with Wave 5 in the distant future needs to be
sent by any interested parties...though with declining Usenet usage and
increasing use of Html in WLM (which does provide an attribution of
previous replies using a vertical bar [like OE and WM in html mode]....that
'interested party' voice is getting weaker over time.


--
....winston
msft mvp mail

"KCB" wrote in message news:imip4e$1la$...


"...winston" <> wrote in message
news:imhf9a$d4v$...
> It might be helpful (at least for discussion sake)if 'anti-Usenet' was
> further defined or at least what feature (lack of) most applies in WLM
> (e.g. prepended '>' for prior text, conversation threading moving new
> posts to the top, etc).

The reason I say "anti-Usenet" is specifically because of the lack of
quotation attribution marks (>). The code has been IN their programs for
this simple mark, for years, yet for some reason they deleted it in 2011.
Did the base code change so much that there was no possible way for it to
remain? That just doesn't seem plausible.

Like Magnus said, there are many other options available, but you all know
how it is to get used to using something on a daily basis. Every other
program, because it's different, just doesn't feel right. I've been
testing
Xnews, XanaNews, and Gravity, for about the last month, and none of them
feel "right". And that's not saying they aren't great for a lot of people,
because I know they are.

I'm just ranting about the WLM change because, although some might say they
did it for the broader good, it seems they didn't take into account all of
the long-time users who started with Mail and have stayed the course
throughout.

....winston wrote:
> I remarked on this quite a few months ago in this forum (prior to Msft
> shutting down the msnews server)
>


You have also abused and molested so many young boys whatever you say
has not meaning to the rest of us. You should be arrested and executed.