user account out of control

on my vista for everything that user account normally ask for the norma
permission window comes up and ask for continue, but then it says yo
need permission to access this file and only states try again, but the
it keeps on saying try again over and over again. now i can't d
anything and even when i change accounts it starts this process over an
over again

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emilevp23

emilevp23;806169 Wrote:
> on my vista for everything that user account normally ask for the normal
> permission window comes up and ask for continue, but then it says you
> need permission to access this file and only states try again, but then
> it keeps on saying try again over and over again. now i can't do
> anything and even when i change accounts it starts this process over and
> over again.
What were you trying to do when you were asked "permission " ? Plase
be specific.


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t-4-2

"emilevp23" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> on my vista for everything that user account normally ask for the normal
> permission window comes up and ask for continue, but then it says you
> need permission to access this file and only states try again, but then
> it keeps on saying try again over and over again. now i can't do
> anything and even when i change accounts it starts this process over and
> over again.
>

That's because none of the accounts you are using have the proper
permissions for the folder and/or files within the folder.

Even if you're logged into Vista with an Admin account, the Admin account is
really only a Standard user account with Standard user privileges in a lot
of cases. That's why you get the permissions to continue if you are Admin or
a Standard user, with UAC enabled.

As a user when you start having problems with permissions for folder or file
in a folder, you have to look at what rights your account has as a user on
the folder or a file within the folder.

Read the information in the link.
<http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2464a180-e5dc-45d1-a2b8-3c8a2b571e9d1033.mspx>

Look at the Administrators account rights which is below, when you have read
the information in the link above, and you're looking at the screens in
Vista You'll see it has Full rights. Well, it better have Full rights.

* Administrators (cumputername\administrators)

However, you need a second account added to the folder or file within the
folder. That account will be your account ID that you are logged in with on
the computer.

You need your user-id account on the folder because of another account you
will see.

* User (computername\users) which doesn't have the same rights as the Admin
account. Yes, you are a User as Vista looks at all accounts.

So make it see your logged-in user account with its permissions too.

The link below has some pictures that are kind of in the ballpark of the
Vista screens in this area.

What you going to do to add your logged-in user id on the file or folder by
doing the follow:

1) use the Edit button
2) use the Add button
3) enter in your logged-in user-id
4) use the CheckName button
5) If user-id line is underscored, the user ID is OK.
6) set the new user-id accounts permissions to match Administrators'
permissions of (Full Control)

http://cc.jlab.org/docs/services/win...rmissions.html

Now you can do that on the folder which sets it for all files in the folder
or on the file itself in the folder.

Or you can user Explore and right click the <C> drive select
Properties/Security Tab add the account which will do it for all folders and
files in the folders. If it stops keep hitting the Continue button.

Mr. Arnold;951703 Wrote:
> "emilevp23" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> > on my vista for everything that user account normally ask for th
> normal
> > permission window comes up and ask for continue, but then it say
> you
> > need permission to access this file and only states try again, bu
> then
> > it keeps on saying try again over and over again. now i can't do
> > anything and even when i change accounts it starts this process ove
> and
> > over again.
> >
>
> That's because none of the accounts you are using have the proper
> permissions for the folder and/or files within the folder.
>
> Even if you're logged into Vista with an Admin account, the Admi
> account is
> really only a Standard user account with Standard user privileges in
> lot
> of cases. That's why you get the permissions to continue if you ar
> Admin or
> a Standard user, with UAC enabled.
>
> As a user when you start having problems with permissions for folder o
> file
> in a folder, you have to look at what rights your account has as a use
> on
> the folder or a file within the folder.
>
> Read the information in the link.
> <http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/2464a180-e5dc-45d1-a2b8-3c8a2b571e9d1033.mspx>
>
> Look at the Administrators account rights which is below, when you hav
> read
> the information in the link above, and you're looking at the screen
> in
> Vista You'll see it has Full rights. Well, it better have Full rights.
>
> * Administrators (cumputername\administrators)
>
> However, you need a second account added to the folder or file withi
> the
> folder. That account will be your account ID that you are logged i
> with on
> the computer.
>
> You need your user-id account on the folder because of another accoun
> you
> will see.
>
> * User (computername\users) which doesn't have the same rights as th
> Admin
> account. Yes, you are a User as Vista looks at all accounts.
>
> So make it see your logged-in user account with its permissions too.
>
> The link below has some pictures that are kind of in the ballpark o
> the
> Vista screens in this area.
>
> What you going to do to add your logged-in user id on the file o
> folder by
> doing the follow:
>
> 1) use the Edit button
> 2) use the Add button
> 3) enter in your logged-in user-id
> 4) use the CheckName button
> 5) If user-id line is underscored, the user ID is OK.
> 6) set the new user-id accounts permissions to match Administrators'
> permissions of (Full Control)
>
> 'NTFS Permissions
> (http://cc.jlab.org/docs/services/win...rmissions.html)
>
> Now you can do that on the folder which sets it for all files in th
> folder
> or on the file itself in the folder.
>
> Or you can user Explore and right click the <C> drive select
> Properties/Security Tab add the account which will do it for al
> folders and
> files in the folders. If it stops keep hitting the Continue button.
Why do all this crap?

Just disable UAC and stop getting the annoying popup questions askin
you if you want to do what you just did!!!..ie, open a program, instal
an app, etc.

This is what makes Vista so annoying to new users and drives them bac
to XP

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bhc697
Posted via http://www.vistaheads.co

bhc6971 wrote:

> Why do all this crap?
>
> Just disable UAC and stop getting the annoying popup questions asking
> you if you want to do what you just did!!!..ie, open a program, install
> an app, etc.
>
> This is what makes Vista so annoying to new users and drives them back
> to XP.
>
>

Why do all that? That's because I like to do things the right and proper
way.

And UAC has nothing to do with the issue. It's a NTFS accounts
permissions/conflict issue and NOT a UAC issue.

And as far as users going back to XP to get compromised and hacked to
death because they won't surf the Internet as a Limited user but they
would rather do it has Admin, then let them go back to it.

UAC when enabled assigns two security tokens to the Admin account.
One token is for full Admin rights, and the other one is for Standard
user rights. The Admin is assigned the Standard user token (locked down)
to Standard user. So while surfing the Internet while Admin on Vista and
something wants to install silently from a Web site, then the Admin
account must have its rights escalated to the Admin token and the UAC
question is asked to Continue or Cancel, a clear sign that something is
trying to install itself on the machine.

If one is running as Admin on XP, Win 2k, Win NT and surfing the
Internet, they don't have this protection and the machine is compromised
easily, as the compromise installs itself silently.

It's not a stops all and ends all solution, but it's better than what XP
has going for it.

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:37:54 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <>
wrote:

>And as far as users going back to XP to get compromised and hacked to
>death because they won't surf the Internet as a Limited user but they
>would rather do it has Admin, then let them go back to it.

Not all who do get "hacked to death".

I ran XP for nearly 7 years as Admin. No virus. No malware. No
phishing problems. Nothing but smooth computing.

It wasn't until I loaded Vista last May that I found out about all the
horrors I'd been maneuvering my way through, how much broken glass I'd
been walking on, how many hoops of fire I'd been leaping through - and
how Vista was now protecting me from all of it.

I turned UAC off because it was annoying the freakin' heck outta me,
and I'm even MORE unpleasant when annoyed than I am now.

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:37:54 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <>
wrote:

>bhc6971 wrote:
>
>> Why do all this crap?
>>
>> Just disable UAC and stop getting the annoying popup questions asking
>> you if you want to do what you just did!!!..ie, open a program, install
>> an app, etc.
>>
>> This is what makes Vista so annoying to new users and drives them back
>> to XP.
>>
>>
>
>Why do all that? That's because I like to do things the right and proper
>way.
>
>And UAC has nothing to do with the issue. It's a NTFS accounts
>permissions/conflict issue and NOT a UAC issue.

Ah... the only way to correct such issues in Vista is by effecting
what UAC does by either turning it off or changing permissions and
ownerships under a file's Security tab. So it IS a UAC issue.
>
>And as far as users going back to XP to get compromised and hacked to
>death because they won't surf the Internet as a Limited user but they
>would rather do it has Admin, then let them go back to it.

If they choose to, why is it skin off your nose? You're just
pontificating. The only thing you do good.
>
>UAC when enabled assigns two security tokens to the Admin account.
>One token is for full Admin rights, and the other one is for Standard
>user rights. The Admin is assigned the Standard user token (locked down)
>to Standard user. So while surfing the Internet while Admin on Vista and
>something wants to install silently from a Web site, then the Admin
>account must have its rights escalated to the Admin token and the UAC
>question is asked to Continue or Cancel, a clear sign that something is
>trying to install itself on the machine.

Install itself? Explain how wishing to delete a orphaned shortcut on
your desktop (something UAC may challenge) is in any way a security
risk. I've asked this before. Every time I do, all the wannabe be
"expert" types clam up tighter than a $5 hooker asked to perform
before you pay her.

You guys are REALLY funny. You make me laugh.

Ringmaster wrote:

<snipped>

The old *clown* has nothing else to do the sick nut.

"Paul Montgomery" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:37:54 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <>
> wrote:
>
>>And as far as users going back to XP to get compromised and hacked to
>>death because they won't surf the Internet as a Limited user but they
>>would rather do it has Admin, then let them go back to it.
>
> Not all who do get "hacked to death".

And nither did I.
>
> I ran XP for nearly 7 years as Admin. No virus. No malware. No
> phishing problems. Nothing but smooth computing.

I ran Win NT, Win 2K pro and Win XP pro over 12 years, nothing but smooth
computing, because I knew how to protect the machines running the O/S(s).
>
> It wasn't until I loaded Vista last May that I found out about all the
> horrors I'd been maneuvering my way through, how much broken glass I'd
> been walking on, how many hoops of fire I'd been leaping through - and
> how Vista was now protecting me from all of it.

Many, many others were not so luck as they sat out there on the Internet as
Admin with the happy fingers clicking on everything under the Sun at dubious
Web sites, got hit on Web site drive by(s) with things installing or opening
dubious/unknown email attachments and things installed silently, which
wouldn't have happened if using a Limited or Standard account as the surfed
or opened email attachments or they were practicing safehex computing.
>
> I turned UAC off because it was annoying the freakin' heck outta me,
> and I'm even MORE unpleasant when annoyed than I am now.

You turn you UAC off if that makes you happy, but I prefer not to do so. For
the ones that did get hammered on those previous platforms and are on Vista,
then maybe, the should leave it on, because everyone is not you.

Those kind of threats are present, they are not going anywhere and they will
click.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Hu...t-Infected-Ad/

So, as Admin and UAC is enabled, it's better than nothing at all, and they
get some kind of an alert. It's not bullet proof, but it's better than
nothing.

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:03:37 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.
> wrote:

>
>
>"Paul Montgomery" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:37:54 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>And as far as users going back to XP to get compromised and hacked to
>>>death because they won't surf the Internet as a Limited user but they
>>>would rather do it has Admin, then let them go back to it.
>>
>> Not all who do get "hacked to death".
>
>And nither did I.

But both you twits ALWAYS imply others will. That make both of you
pompous windbags, here only to pontificate and mouth off.
>>
>> I ran XP for nearly 7 years as Admin. No virus. No malware. No
>> phishing problems. Nothing but smooth computing.

>I ran Win NT, Win 2K pro and Win XP pro over 12 years, nothing but smooth
>computing, because I knew how to protect the machines running the O/S(s).

See what I mean? The two of you. Nobody gives a crap. Haven't you
figured that out? Your "experience" doesn't amount to a hill of beans,
yet you both toot your own horn in almost every post you make implying
you can walk on water too. I don't think so. <snicker>