V5 of windows update, flawed

I am unable to update my WinXP SP1 install at all.
Further, the dates for the fialed install of the updates
is July 16, 2004 even though I've just ran it moments ago.
Before anyone trys to be a wise-*ss, my system date and
time are valid!
I think there is a serious flaw or bug in this new update
engine.... look at all the problems posted in this
group!?!

I agree 100%!!!!!

>-----Original Message-----
>
>I agree 100%!!!!!
>.
>
Notice how there's no MVP's responding to our posts about
bugs in WU V5? Perhaps indicative of a problem MS doesn't
yet know how to fix.

>Notice how there's no MVP's responding to our posts about
>bugs in WU V5? Perhaps indicative of a problem MS doesn't
>yet know how to fix.
>.
>
I was thinking the same thing. Everyone on this Newsgroup
seems knowledgeable enough to at least come here for help
and they can't get it fixed! Just think of all the people
at home who aren't quite as computer literate resetting
their machines when they get stuck at downloading 0%. They
may not have a clue where to turn for help. This may be a
much bigger problem than anyone realizes. Hopefully
someone at MS is looking into this and not just pointing
their finger away from themselves.

Maybe we can work together and figure something out. My
configuration is:
Win XP SP2 (the problem began before SP2 though)
Adelphia Cable Internet
AOL Broadband over Adelphia Cable
Norton Internet Security

Any similarities to your configuration?
Here is the end of my c:\windows\WindowsUpdate text file
(Log):

WU client succeeds CClientCallRecorder::BeginFindUpdates
from WindowsUpdate with call id {149954BF-C6B1-4358-A8F0-
FC5F94F0F7AD}
2004-09-16 22:06:02-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
executing call {149954BF-C6B1-4358-A8F0-FC5F94F0F7AD} of
type Search Call
2004-09-16 22:06:04-0400 3268 188 Trying to
make out of proc datastore active
2004-09-16 22:06:05-0400 3268 188 Out of
proc datastore is now active
2004-09-16 22:06:05-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
serverID {9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77}
2004-09-16 22:06:06-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
server URL
https://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...tWebService/cl
ient.asmx
2004-09-16 22:06:07-0400 1120 ba0 Add
header for accept-encoding: xpress succeeded
2004-09-16 22:06:20-0400 1120 ba0
DetectCompressionType returning type 1, hr=0x0
2004-09-16 22:06:20-0400 1120 ba0 Add
header for accept-encoding: xpress succeeded
2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0
DetectCompressionType returning type 1, hr=0x0
2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
serverID {9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77}
2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
server URL
https://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...tWebService/cl
ient.asmx
2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0 Add
header for accept-encoding: xpress succeeded
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0
DetectCompressionType returning type 1, hr=0x0
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
add update {76BAACDD-634F-487D-AC52-33CD061B49E7}.100 to
search result
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0
DeviceStatus: 0x180200a, DeviceProblemNumber:
00000000
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
add update {6DFD94CE-5658-4030-B5A1-8AFEB58A4EDF}.100 to
search result
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
add update {6F5DC828-0F05-4577-9A8A-74AB1CBE00A9}.100 to
search result
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
add update {D8679F70-0E4F-452E-825A-4CE7FA5C4F87}.100 to
search result
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
add update {879FFB13-1610-4F09-BF93-A7C6A495175E}.100 to
search result
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
found 5 updates and 10 categories in search
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
finished Searching for update
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
calls back to search call WindowsUpdate with code Call
complete and error 0
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
completed and deleted call {149954BF-C6B1-4358-A8F0-
FC5F94F0F7AD}
2004-09-16 22:06:28-0400 1120 ba0 REPORT
EVENT: {B4575130-5424-4453-A0E2-206BA6B2FC7B} 77
2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1 147
101 {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0
0 WindowsUpdate Success Software
Synchronization Agent has finished detecting items.
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
executing call {D7679947-557C-41CE-8094-A144543BFF5E} of
type Download Call
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 dc8 WU client
persisted 1 download calls
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 dc8 WU client
succeeds CClientCallRecorder::BeginDownloadUpdates from
WindowsUpdate with call id {D7679947-557C-41CE-8094-
A144543BFF5E}
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 Dumping
out update 1 of 1
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 title =
Windows Media Player 10
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 dumping
updateId {D8679F70-0E4F-452E-825A-4CE7FA5C4F87}.100
bundling 1 updates
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 bundled
update No. 1 is {F6A3785B-7A76-4317-AD3A-4ECE9C17A770}.100
2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0
Downloading from
http://www.download.windowsupdate.co...load/update/v3
-
19990518/cabpool/mp10setup_d1bcb203d24b45a637a88a449ac70ae
ea3550c39.exe to
C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\S-1-5-18
\78c3d3cb92a6bf5635cafdf22b2c9729
\d1bcb203d24b45a637a88a449ac70aeea3550c39 (full file).
2004-09-16 22:06:44-0400 1120 f88 WU client
calls back to download call {D7679947-557C-41CE-8094-
A144543BFF5E} with code Call progress and error 0

Let me know what you think. Joe

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Screen Resolution: 1024 x 768
Color Depth: undefined
Java Enabled: true
~~~~~~~~~

Any difference if you disable NIS entirely?

Are you accessing Windows Update using Internet Explorer?
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Joe wrote:
> Maybe we can work together and figure something out. My
> configuration is:
> Win XP SP2 (the problem began before SP2 though)
> Adelphia Cable Internet
> AOL Broadband over Adelphia Cable
> Norton Internet Security
>
> Any similarities to your configuration?
> Here is the end of my c:\windows\WindowsUpdate text file
> (Log):
>
> WU client succeeds CClientCallRecorder::BeginFindUpdates
> from WindowsUpdate with call id {149954BF-C6B1-4358-A8F0-
> FC5F94F0F7AD}
> 2004-09-16 22:06:02-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> executing call {149954BF-C6B1-4358-A8F0-FC5F94F0F7AD} of
> type Search Call
> 2004-09-16 22:06:04-0400 3268 188 Trying to
> make out of proc datastore active
> 2004-09-16 22:06:05-0400 3268 188 Out of
> proc datastore is now active
> 2004-09-16 22:06:05-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
> serverID {9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77}
> 2004-09-16 22:06:06-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
> server URL
> https://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...tWebService/cl
> ient.asmx
> 2004-09-16 22:06:07-0400 1120 ba0 Add
> header for accept-encoding: xpress succeeded
> 2004-09-16 22:06:20-0400 1120 ba0
> DetectCompressionType returning type 1, hr=0x0
> 2004-09-16 22:06:20-0400 1120 ba0 Add
> header for accept-encoding: xpress succeeded
> 2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0
> DetectCompressionType returning type 1, hr=0x0
> 2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
> serverID {9482F4B4-E343-43B6-B170-9A65BC822C77}
> 2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0 PT: Using
> server URL
> https://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.c...tWebService/cl
> ient.asmx
> 2004-09-16 22:06:22-0400 1120 ba0 Add
> header for accept-encoding: xpress succeeded
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0
> DetectCompressionType returning type 1, hr=0x0
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> add update {76BAACDD-634F-487D-AC52-33CD061B49E7}.100 to
> search result
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0
> DeviceStatus: 0x180200a, DeviceProblemNumber:
> 00000000
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> add update {6DFD94CE-5658-4030-B5A1-8AFEB58A4EDF}.100 to
> search result
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> add update {6F5DC828-0F05-4577-9A8A-74AB1CBE00A9}.100 to
> search result
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> add update {D8679F70-0E4F-452E-825A-4CE7FA5C4F87}.100 to
> search result
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> add update {879FFB13-1610-4F09-BF93-A7C6A495175E}.100 to
> search result
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> found 5 updates and 10 categories in search
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> finished Searching for update
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> calls back to search call WindowsUpdate with code Call
> complete and error 0
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> completed and deleted call {149954BF-C6B1-4358-A8F0-
> FC5F94F0F7AD}
> 2004-09-16 22:06:28-0400 1120 ba0 REPORT
> EVENT: {B4575130-5424-4453-A0E2-206BA6B2FC7B} 77
> 2004-09-16 22:06:23-0400 1 147
> 101 {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000} 0
> 0 WindowsUpdate Success Software
> Synchronization Agent has finished detecting items.
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> executing call {D7679947-557C-41CE-8094-A144543BFF5E} of
> type Download Call
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 dc8 WU client
> persisted 1 download calls
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 dc8 WU client
> succeeds CClientCallRecorder::BeginDownloadUpdates from
> WindowsUpdate with call id {D7679947-557C-41CE-8094-
> A144543BFF5E}
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 Dumping
> out update 1 of 1
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 title =
> Windows Media Player 10
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 dumping
> updateId {D8679F70-0E4F-452E-825A-4CE7FA5C4F87}.100
> bundling 1 updates
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0 bundled
> update No. 1 is {F6A3785B-7A76-4317-AD3A-4ECE9C17A770}.100
> 2004-09-16 22:06:43-0400 1120 ba0
> Downloading from
> http://www.download.windowsupdate.co...load/update/v3
> -
> 19990518/cabpool/mp10setup_d1bcb203d24b45a637a88a449ac70ae
> ea3550c39.exe to
> C:\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\Download\S-1-5-18
> \78c3d3cb92a6bf5635cafdf22b2c9729
> \d1bcb203d24b45a637a88a449ac70aeea3550c39 (full file).
> 2004-09-16 22:06:44-0400 1120 f88 WU client
> calls back to download call {D7679947-557C-41CE-8094-
> A144543BFF5E} with code Call progress and error 0
>
> Let me know what you think. Joe

Browser Name: Microsoft Internet Explorer ver. 6.0

Browser & OS: (Major & Minor Version Information)
4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR
1.1.4322)
;SP2;

Screen Resolution: 1024 x 768
Color Depth: undefined
Java Enabled: true

>Any difference if you disable NIS entirely?
>
Yes. I have tried disabling NIS by right clicking the
icon in the toolbar then choosing disable.

>Are you accessing Windows Update using Internet Explorer?
>--
I've tried from IE and I have WU in my Start menu of
recently accessed programs.

I also noticed that once I try to install an update and
fail, I can't try it again until I delete the
SoftwareDistribution folder. Before I can delete that I
have to change Automatic Windows Update to manual and
reboot so AU does not come up. I also noticed that if I
don't STOP AU using Services.msc my Reboot restart will
never complete. I have to hit reset. If I STOP AU first
(actually it always fails (times out) during the STOP) my
reboot will be clean. So something in AU is hosed
somewhere.

-Joe

What updates do you (or Windows Update) think need to be installed? (You
are posting from the problem machine, right?)

> > Any difference if you disable NIS entirely?
> >
> Yes. I have tried disabling NIS by right clicking the
> icon in the toolbar then choosing disable.

So, disabling NIS does or does not make a difference?
--
~PA Bear

wrote:
> Browser Name: Microsoft Internet Explorer ver. 6.0
>
> Browser & OS: (Major & Minor Version Information)
> 4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR
> 1.1.4322)
> ;SP2;
>
> Screen Resolution: 1024 x 768
> Color Depth: undefined
> Java Enabled: true
>
> > Any difference if you disable NIS entirely?
> >
> Yes. I have tried disabling NIS by right clicking the
> icon in the toolbar then choosing disable.
>
> > Are you accessing Windows Update using Internet Explorer?
> > --
> I've tried from IE and I have WU in my Start menu of
> recently accessed programs.
>
> I also noticed that once I try to install an update and
> fail, I can't try it again until I delete the
> SoftwareDistribution folder. Before I can delete that I
> have to change Automatic Windows Update to manual and
> reboot so AU does not come up. I also noticed that if I
> don't STOP AU using Services.msc my Reboot restart will
> never complete. I have to hit reset. If I STOP AU first
> (actually it always fails (times out) during the STOP) my
> reboot will be clean. So something in AU is hosed
> somewhere.
>
> -Joe

>-----Original Message-----
>What updates do you (or Windows Update) think need to be
installed? (You
>are posting from the problem machine, right?)

There are 2 critical updates listed but based on some of
the posts here I think I'll wait. They are GDI detection
tool and .net framework SP1. I want to get this working
for when I really do want to install an update. Windows
Update is a nice feature verses going to the MS website
and downloading fixes. My point of being in this forum is
that when I select an update to install (I used Win Media
Player as a test), It just hangs at 0% saying that it's
now downloading installing updates. This all started with
V5 of WU while I was still on SP1. Yes, This is the
problem machine.
>
>> > Any difference if you disable NIS entirely?
>> >
>> Yes. I have tried disabling NIS by right clicking the
>> icon in the toolbar then choosing disable.
>

No, it made no difference. I would have taken this up
with Symantec if that were the case.

Thanks for the reply. I will be away most of this morning
and will check back later this afternoon (Eastern Time).
-Joe

"Joe" <> wrote in message
news:04e301c49c5b$59ce0f10$...
>
> Maybe we can work together and figure something out. My
> configuration is:
> Win XP SP2 (the problem began before SP2 though)
> Adelphia Cable Internet
> AOL Broadband over Adelphia Cable
> Norton Internet Security
>
> Any similarities to your configuration?
> Here is the end of my c:\windows\WindowsUpdate text file
> (Log):
....

I haven't seen any documentation on how to read these things
but FWIW there is quite a bit here which lends to some simple
experimenting.

My first take would be that the log doesn't show anything wrong.
I would say that there is an update in progress. Let's look at it from
that point of view.

Let's start by looking at a timestamped record as an example.

> 2004-09-16 22:06:02-0400 1120 ba0 WU client
> executing call {149954BF-C6B1-4358-A8F0-FC5F94F0F7AD} of
> type Search Call

(I think that those 3 lines were originally parts of a single record?)
I suspect that the third parameter (1120 in this case) is your PID
of your the svchost.exe which runs wuauserv.

Test that idea with this command:
tasklist /svc /fi "PID eq 1120"

If that idea works out try to figure out what the other non-1120
records represent. I suspect that one of them is going to be
another svchost.exe which runs BITS. In that case, if that
service is still running you may be able to interrogate the status
of its jobs using the bitsadmin command. Also, if it is really
running as the only service in that process you could use
Task Manager and its statistics (especially the I/O ones)
to see if it has done/is doing anything.


Note: this sort of diagnosis is rather speculative since I haven't
actually had to do it for myself yet; so if you are seeing something
different than what I am imagining please reply with your detailed
observations.


HTH

Robert Aldwinckle
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