very disconcerting test results

Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
validation web site (
http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).

I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service is
unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".

I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.

Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,

Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?

This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft, and
Vista in particular.

Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.



--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Richard Urban wrote:
> Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
> validation web site (
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>
> I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service
> is unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>
> I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>
> Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
> down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>
> Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
> until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?
>
> This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft,
> and Vista in particular.
>
> Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.
>
>
>

Well, the diçkhead finally got is comeuppance. I warned every single one
of you when WGA came out for XP that it would only get worse. I remember
this diçkhead accusing people who had problems with WGA of being
pirates. How does it feel now, diçkhead?

--
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On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:10:31 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<> wrote:

>Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
>validation web site (
>http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>
>I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service is
>unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>
>I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>
>Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
>down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>
>Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
>until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?
>
>This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft, and
>Vista in particular.
>
>Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.

Priceless... a MVP getting the shaft from Microsoft!

How do you feel about Microsoft now?

I've been saying for years Microsoft is an uncaring, arrogant
corporation that at best releases untested, mediocre, bug infested
software. I've also said their activation scam is bogus, prone to
fail, doesn't always work and can screw legimate customers.

Now you've experienced first hand how Microsoft assumes you are a
crook until you can prove you're not.

Maybe now you and other MVPs will understand why paying customers get
so ****ed off at Microsoft when they've done nothing wrong but are
treated as criminals all the while Bill Gates gives a wink and nod to
hoards of Chinese stealing Vista WITH his blessing.

Doesn't feel too good to get treated this way now does it.

It is obvious, I think, that I performed this test on purpose - to see what
the results would be.

This is the first time that MS validation servers have been down (to my
knowledge) so we have NOT seen this particular problem before.

I created a system image immediately "prior" to performing this test - so I
knew I would be able to go back - whatever the outcome of the test turned
out to be.



--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)


"Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
> validation web site (
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>
> I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service is
> unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>
> I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>
> Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
> down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>
> Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
> until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?
>
> This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft,
> and Vista in particular.
>
> Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>

Richard Urban wrote:
> Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
> validation web site (
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>
> I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service
> is unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>
> I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>
> Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
> down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>
> Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
> until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?
>
> This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft,
> and Vista in particular.
>
> Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.
>
>
>
Well you beat me to it, I am moving machines around so didn't have
anything set up to try it on. I think this is a very disturbing result
for a genuine user to experience, especially anyone new to this game.

To those of you that may be replying here (you know who you are), I have you
blocked because of the noise you create.

But please know that Microsoft did NOT give me the shaft, or screw me in any
way. I voluntarily performed this test to see what the outcome may be - so I
could report the same. So, if you are gloating you can stop now.

I was prepared for any outcome, good or bad.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)


"Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
> validation web site (
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>
> I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service is
> unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>
> I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>
> Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
> down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>
> Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
> until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?
>
> This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft,
> and Vista in particular.
>
> Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>

Agreed!

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)


"Charlie Tame" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
>> validation web site (
>> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>>
>> I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service
>> is unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>>
>> I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>>
>> Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
>> down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>>
>> Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
>> until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?
>>
>> This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft,
>> and Vista in particular.
>>
>> Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.
>>
>>
>>
> Well you beat me to it, I am moving machines around so didn't have
> anything set up to try it on. I think this is a very disturbing result for
> a genuine user to experience, especially anyone new to this game.

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:10:31 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:

> Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
> validation web site (
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>
> I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service is
> unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>
> I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>
> Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
> down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>
> Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
> until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?

Because if they did that it would render their WGA even more useless than
it already is. An anti piracy system that assumes software is legal cannot
work. All one would have to do is block the ports WGA uses on their
firewall and they could run a pirated version forever...since the
authentication can never reach the servers and would assume it is genuine
until proven otherwise.

See now why it is the other way around?

And I don't know if Microsoft can actually legally *require* their users
to connect to their servers occasionally. That'd be the only type of
scenario where a timeout can be implemented to sort of make the above a
little more difficult. I suppose they could put such a clause in their
EULA but still...I would still question if it could hold up. I mean, not
everyone even has Internet access, not even today. Something many forget.

But still, even with a timeout that requires occasional connection to MS
servers, an anti-piracy system that assumes the software is genuine is
exceedingly easier to crack and get around than a system that assumes the
opposite.

>
> This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft, and
> Vista in particular.

And it isn't going to be the first time that this happens. Servers go
down. Routers go down. Internet providers go down. There are dozens of
reasons why someone may not be able to reach the Microsoft Activation
servers. Failure on Microsoft's end is only one of many possible reasons
this could happen to someone.

>
> Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.

Well you're lucky you have one. How many other people do though? =)

--
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Hi, Richard
Sorry to hear about your problem. I think people here would like to see how
you get out of this mess. Have you lost any functionality? Are you still
activated? Can the phone activation people 'fix' your problem?

-Paul Randall

"Richard Urban" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Using an activated and validated computer, I just went to the Vista
> validation web site (
> http://www.microsoft.com/genuine/sel...displaylang=en ).
>
> I ran the test. The results were that my system "The validation service is
> unable to determine whether this copy of Windows Vista is genuine".
>
> I then rebooted and my system now shows as NOT GENUINE.
>
> Please Microsoft, if a system can not be determined, because servers are
> down, why automatically assume that it is NOT GENUINE,
>
> Why not assume just the opposite - that it *IS*, in fact ***GENUINE*** -
> until ***PROVEN*** otherwise?
>
> This is going to cause an untold amount of bad feeling toward Microsoft,
> and Vista in particular.
>
> Now I am going to restore my latest TrueImage backup.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:31:00 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<> wrote:

>It is obvious, I think, that I performed this test on purpose - to see what
>the results would be.

Now you're making excuses for Microsoft?

Such heavy handed and totally bogus assumptions on part of Microsoft
is the basic for major class action law suits. Hope some big fish has
the time to take a big bite out of Bill Gates empire and hit it with a
multi billion dollar law suit. Hell, if some bozo judge can sue a
cleaners for losing his pants (true story) for absurdly large amount
surely some corporation doing something critical and depending on
Vista could make a case Microsoft stupidity caused them huge damages
where they in effect were caught deactivating a valid and previously
validated copy of Vista.

>This is the first time that MS validation servers have been down (to my
>knowledge) so we have NOT seen this particular problem before.

So the default action if the servers go down is to do what you
experienced? That would hardly be a defense in a law suit. In fact
the court room would erupt into laughter.
>
>I created a system image immediately "prior" to performing this test - so I
>knew I would be able to go back - whatever the outcome of the test turned
>out to be.

As usual you totally missed the point. That's like saying you wanted
to test your car's brakes before going down a steep hill so you opened
the driver's side door a crack and were ready to stick your foot out
hoping you could stop your car that way if the brakes did actually
fail. LOL!

Hint to the clueless: Once you activate, AND Microsoft confirms you in
fact have a valid copy of Vista it is Microsoft's responsibility to
maintain access to the product you paid a substantial amount to use
under a license. Can anyone say breach of contract?