Virtual PC 2007

My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it is
not support, is this correct?
Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?
--
Regards
Bob J
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VPC should run on all versions of Vista, if I know correctly. What
Microsoft is limiting is the ability to run Vista inside of a virtual
environment. Only Vista Ultimate is technically licensed to run in a
virtual environment.

Some Linux OSes can be installed, but I found it to be very hit and miss on
which ones would install and which ones wouldn't.

DR

"Bob J" <> wrote in message
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> My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it is
> not support, is this correct?
> Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?
> --
> Regards
> Bob J
> If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
> another source,post back & let us know.
> Then we all benefit.
>

Yes, you can install VPC in Vista Home Premium. It's not supported, and the
install will tell you you can't install, but it goes on.

Yes, you can install Linux as a guest OS.

Val

"Bob J" <> wrote in message
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My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it is
not support, is this correct?
Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?
--
Regards
Bob J
If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
another source,post back & let us know.
Then we all benefit.

"Bob J" <> wrote ...
> My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it is
> not support, is this correct?
> Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?

Hi Bob,

There is no technical barrier to running Virtual PC on Home Edition. The
Microsoft license ("EULA") for Home Edition says:

4. USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software
installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
hardware system.

Not being a lawyer I won't try to interpret this statement. It's widely
taken to mean, you cannot run Home Edition as a Guest in Virtual PC. It does
not seem to prohibit using Vista Home as a Host for vitual machine system
products. So, you can run a virtualisation product as an application, on a
Vista Home edition computer.

However, Virtual PC 2007 is not "supported", in the narrow sense. As per
the Virtual PC download page, Virtual PC is supported on Buisness,
Enterprise and Ultimate editions:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
<quote>
Virtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows VistaT Business; Windows VistaT Enterprise;
Windows VistaT Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows
Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP
Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
</quote>

If you ring up Microsoft PSS and say, I'm having a problem running VPC on
Vista Home edition, when I try to click on ..." they'll just hang up on you
at that point (well, not hang up per se; but they won't go on to do any
in-depth troubleshooting). When you try to install Virtual PC onto Home
edition, you get a warning message about it being an unsupported platform.
But it doesn't actually block you from installing.

Linux guests are supported on Virtual Server 2005 R2, but not on Virtual PC.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/vir...stsupport.mspx
Although it isn't supported, you could try splicing a Virtual Server Linux
VM to run in Virtual PC.

In spite of all, I love Virtual Server and Virtual PC, they are great tools.
But in my experience, VMWare Workstation gives you a much better platform
for running virtual Linux, FreBSD, and Solaris machines - these are core
scenarios for the VMWare guys.

Ubuntu 7.04 does not run on Virtual PC 2007. I tried everything, nada.
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

Thanks everyone you have confirmed, my understanding & interpretations.
I do not really need it but like everything, you have got to have a go.
I already have XP & Linux on a dual boot PC, just want to see what I am
capable of.
Happy Computing to All
--
Regards
Bob J
If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
another source,post back & let us know.
Then we all benefit.



"Andrew McLaren" wrote:

> "Bob J" <> wrote ...
> > My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it is
> > not support, is this correct?
> > Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> There is no technical barrier to running Virtual PC on Home Edition. The
> Microsoft license ("EULA") for Home Edition says:
>
> 4. USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software
> installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
> hardware system.
>
> Not being a lawyer I won't try to interpret this statement. It's widely
> taken to mean, you cannot run Home Edition as a Guest in Virtual PC. It does
> not seem to prohibit using Vista Home as a Host for vitual machine system
> products. So, you can run a virtualisation product as an application, on a
> Vista Home edition computer.
>
> However, Virtual PC 2007 is not "supported", in the narrow sense. As per
> the Virtual PC download page, Virtual PC is supported on Buisness,
> Enterprise and Ultimate editions:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
> <quote>
> Virtual PC 2007 runs on: Windows VistaT Business; Windows VistaT Enterprise;
> Windows VistaT Ultimate; Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition; Windows
> Server 2003, Standard x64 Edition; Windows XP Professional; Windows XP
> Professional x64 Edition; or Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
> </quote>
>
> If you ring up Microsoft PSS and say, I'm having a problem running VPC on
> Vista Home edition, when I try to click on ..." they'll just hang up on you
> at that point (well, not hang up per se; but they won't go on to do any
> in-depth troubleshooting). When you try to install Virtual PC onto Home
> edition, you get a warning message about it being an unsupported platform.
> But it doesn't actually block you from installing.
>
> Linux guests are supported on Virtual Server 2005 R2, but not on Virtual PC.
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/vir...stsupport.mspx
> Although it isn't supported, you could try splicing a Virtual Server Linux
> VM to run in Virtual PC.
>
> In spite of all, I love Virtual Server and Virtual PC, they are great tools.
> But in my experience, VMWare Workstation gives you a much better platform
> for running virtual Linux, FreBSD, and Solaris machines - these are core
> scenarios for the VMWare guys.
>
> Ubuntu 7.04 does not run on Virtual PC 2007. I tried everything, nada.
> --
> Andrew McLaren
> amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au
>
>
>

No Linux is a totally different hard drive configuration. You could run two
hard drives though or two partitions.

--
Ian

"Bob J" <> wrote in message
news:31E9C1E4-3112-41F1-9783-...
> My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it is
> not support, is this correct?
> Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?
> --
> Regards
> Bob J
> If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
> another source,post back & let us know.
> Then we all benefit.
>
>

Linux installs just fine under a VPC in Vista. When you create a virtual
machine, the file structure being used by the host is ignored. The VM
emulates the file structure needed for the operating system being installed.
You can run Linux one what to it seems to be ext volumes, and DOS on FAT all
under Virtual PC on NTFS.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Ian Betts" <> wrote in message
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> No Linux is a totally different hard drive configuration. You could run
> two hard drives though or two partitions.
>
> --
> Ian
>
> "Bob J" <> wrote in message
> news:31E9C1E4-3112-41F1-9783-...
>> My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it
>> is
>> not support, is this correct?
>> Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?
>> --
>> Regards
>> Bob J
>> If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
>> another source,post back & let us know.
>> Then we all benefit.
>>
>>
>

"Ian Betts" <> wrote ...
> No Linux is a totally different hard drive configuration. You could run
> two hard drives though or two partitions.


???
I don't quite follow.

The "hard disk" in Virtual PC is just a file, <VM_Name>.vhd. The VMs
partition table is a data structure within this file, totally isolated from
the host. Neither Virtual PC, nor the host operating system, can see or even
cares what kind of file system is runing inside the guest VM. So you could
have NTFS, etx3, reiserFS, even exotica like AndrewFS, xfs, raw swap
partitions, etc.

The main limitation of Linux in a Virtual PC VM is that there are no VM
Additions for Linux. So you loose the nice features you get with supported
OS VMs (cut-n-paste, cursor integration, high-res graphics drivers, etc).

But certainly, many Linux distros install and run fine in a VM. The only
question is whether it is the best option; or whether VMWare, dual boot,
etc, would give a better experience.
--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

Andrew your last past, points out things which I was considering, I am
inclined to thing that to get the full benefit of Linux, dual boot/VMW is
most probably the way to go.
Thanks all for input
--
Regards
Bob J
If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
another source,post back & let us know.
Then we all benefit.



"Andrew McLaren" wrote:

> "Ian Betts" <> wrote ...
> > No Linux is a totally different hard drive configuration. You could run
> > two hard drives though or two partitions.
>
>
> ???
> I don't quite follow.
>
> The "hard disk" in Virtual PC is just a file, <VM_Name>.vhd. The VMs
> partition table is a data structure within this file, totally isolated from
> the host. Neither Virtual PC, nor the host operating system, can see or even
> cares what kind of file system is runing inside the guest VM. So you could
> have NTFS, etx3, reiserFS, even exotica like AndrewFS, xfs, raw swap
> partitions, etc.
>
> The main limitation of Linux in a Virtual PC VM is that there are no VM
> Additions for Linux. So you loose the nice features you get with supported
> OS VMs (cut-n-paste, cursor integration, high-res graphics drivers, etc).
>
> But certainly, many Linux distros install and run fine in a VM. The only
> question is whether it is the best option; or whether VMWare, dual boot,
> etc, would give a better experience.
> --
> Andrew McLaren
> amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au
>
>

Not only do I have Linux installed as a guest OS in Virtual PC, but I also
installed it using PXE. :-)

-- Andy


"Bob J" <> wrote in message
news:31E9C1E4-3112-41F1-9783-...
> My understanding is that VPC 2007 will run in Vista Home Premium but it is
> not support, is this correct?
> Can a Linux OS be installed as a guest OS in VPCX 2007?
> --
> Regards
> Bob J
> If advise given from anyone, solves problem or not, or if solved from
> another source,post back & let us know.
> Then we all benefit.
>