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Erich Kohl
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      12-09-2007
Hello everyone,

I’d like to submit a little bit of public commentary regarding Windows
Vista and the threat that exists of coming into contact with malicious
software (viruses, Trojans, worms, spyware, etc.).

At first I had composed and was planning to post a newsgroup article
which completely downplayed the threat of malware while using Vista, as
if Microsoft’s new OS had unequivocally brought us into a new era in
which we don’t have to give a second thought to this risk.

However, I have a slightly different view now, and because I have in
the past written newsgroup articles where I state that the threat of
malware under Vista is so incredibly low to the point of being almost
non-existent, I feel I have to correct myself.

This is not to say that I think Vista is completely failing us in the
area of security –- this is far from the truth.

I’ve been using Vista for almost seven months now (Ultimate, 32-bit),
and I’ve been relying on AVG Free Edition as my virus scanner and
Vista’s built-in Windows Defender as my spyware scanning utility.

It is true that up until this point, I’ve expended little energy
dealing with this matter. AVG and Windows Defender would simply
perform their chores in the background at the properly scheduled
moments, and I would happily go on computing, worrying very little
about this issue.

However, I recently decided to take a closer look to see if AVG and
Defender had in fact missed anything. In addition to these two aids, I
downloaded, installed, and ran the following free programs: PC Tools
Anti-Virus, Avast! Anti-Virus, Spybot Search & Destroy, and Spyware
Terminator.

And, to my chagrin, there were some items that were detected by this
additional software. (I say “chagrin” because I am a Microsoft fan and
Windows advocate.)

If I may put this into perspective though, it’s not like my entire
system was absolutely /plagued/ with malware -- but sure, I admit,
there were some things that were found. Essentially, the results
varied. Windows Defender keeps telling me it hasn’t found any unwanted
or harmful software yet. AVG has two files quarantined (one of them is
an archived file that has existed on my system before I ever upgraded
to Vista, so I’m not sure if that one even counts). Spybot S&D
detected dozens and dozens of things – but ALL of them were browser
tracking cookies (which are considered harmless by most people, and not
even classified as spyware by others). Avast! has isolated a total of
three infected files (however two of them are the same). Spyware
Terminator did locate one threat, but it was merely an invalid startup
item associated with one of the other software packages I have
installed. And finally, PC Tools essentially gave me a clean bill of
health, because once again the only thing it found was yet another
archived file that was already on my system before I ever upgraded to
Vista.

So what does this tell us? Well, put simply, it tells us that even
with Windows Vista, malware is still pretty much a threat that we have
to take seriously. We are not truly immune to it.

But you know what?

The results of the scans that I did could have been so much worse –- a
LOT worse.

I mean, seriously! First of all, these utilities didn’t cost me a
dime. And they uncovered very few true infections. They’ve been
cleaned up now, of course, but I’ve got to say, I’ve been heavily using
my Vista machine day in and day out for almost seven months now, and
there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of damage that may have been
caused by these infected files that were found. Malware simply has not
been a terrible burden throughout my Windows Vista experience.

What this really does is confirm a belief I have regarding PCs running
Windows, and that is the belief that by taking the proper precautions,
the risk of having one’s system comprised by malicious software becomes
manageable, and the threat can be overcome, even minimized. It’s
simply a matter of doing the right things. For example, turn on
Vista’s firewall. Enable User Account Control, or UAC (this feature
prevents unauthorized programs from running on your computer without
your permission). Use anti-malware software packages to scan and
cleanse your system on a regular basis (there are quite a few to choose
from, even good, free utilities such as the ones that I mentioned).
And don’t open attachments or click on hyperlinks sent to you via
unsolicited e-mail (these are the typical pieces of advice you’d hear
from experts on this subject).

Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
computer.

Thank you.
 
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Mark Conrad
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      12-09-2007
In article <OUJ6j.69530$ >,
"Erich Kohl" <> wrote:

> I'd like to submit a little bit of public commentary regarding
> Windows Vista and the threat that exists of coming into contact
> with malicious software (viruses, Trojans, worms, spyware, etc.).


Thanks Erich, I found both of your threads helpful.



Here, I am a "Mac guy", so have been subjected to all sorts of
propaganda from fellow Mac users as regards how bad Windows is
supposed to be.

Nice to hear a balanced view on the subject, for a change.


I run Vista Ultimate on two of my Mac computers.

A MacBook Pro with 4 GBs of ram.

A Mac Mini (most recent version) - with 2 GBs of ram.


In both cases, the 40 GB Vista partition was set up by
using Leopard's included so-called "Boot Camp" utility.

"Leopard" is Apple's nickname for OS 10.5.0

Very easy and very intuitive to set up the Vista partition.



So far, I have been very hesitant about exposing Vista
to the Internet, because of the propaganda fed to me by
my fellow Mac users.

Thanks to your threads, I finally got the nerve to place
Vista onto the Internet.

Have the regular Vista firewall turned on in its
default configuration, likewise left Windows Defender on.

Guess what, nothing bad happened, nothing.

My belly button did not fall out, as my Mac friends had
insisted would happen.

I do not yet own a virus protection app'.

Guess I better look around to find a copy of AVG.


Thanks again for your two threads.

Mark-
 
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Steve Thackery
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      12-09-2007
I'm amazed at the intensity of the anti-Microsoft brigade's FUD campaign.

Read the thread entitled "I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista",
dated 5th December in .vista.general. In it I describe how I've had my PC
connected to the Internet continously for TWO YEARS - the first year running
XP SP2, and the second year (actually, 11 months) running Vista. For those
two years I have not had any anti-virus software installed.

I challenged the anti-Microsoft crowd to find me a website that would infect
my unprotected Vista PC. Only one person offered a site (telling in
itself). I duly went there and clicked around for 40 minutes, following
every link I could find. My screen was festooned with pop up adverts for
porno sites, along with numerous other windows appearing.

After 40 minutes I got bored because nothing obvious or exciting had
happened, so I went to the Kaspersky site, and downloaded and ran their free
virus scanner (which they say is as searching as the full product).

Zero infected files. Zero suspicious files.

I'm not advocating everyone do without anti-virus software. But for me it
has been an extremely useful experiment, and I shall continue to work
without any security software other than what comes "in the box".

Apple and Linux afficionados continually bang on about how secure their
systems are, and how Vista is the nearest thing to an unexploded bomb if it
even sniffs an Internet connection. Frankly, they are talking a load of
*******s.

SteveT

 
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Alias
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      12-09-2007
Steve Thackery wrote:
> I'm amazed at the intensity of the anti-Microsoft brigade's FUD campaign.
>
> Read the thread entitled "I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista",
> dated 5th December in .vista.general. In it I describe how I've had my
> PC connected to the Internet continously for TWO YEARS - the first year
> running XP SP2, and the second year (actually, 11 months) running
> Vista. For those two years I have not had any anti-virus software
> installed.
>
> I challenged the anti-Microsoft crowd to find me a website that would
> infect my unprotected Vista PC. Only one person offered a site (telling
> in itself). I duly went there and clicked around for 40 minutes,
> following every link I could find. My screen was festooned with pop up
> adverts for porno sites, along with numerous other windows appearing.
>
> After 40 minutes I got bored because nothing obvious or exciting had
> happened, so I went to the Kaspersky site, and downloaded and ran their
> free virus scanner (which they say is as searching as the full product).
>
> Zero infected files. Zero suspicious files.
>
> I'm not advocating everyone do without anti-virus software. But for me
> it has been an extremely useful experiment, and I shall continue to work
> without any security software other than what comes "in the box".
>
> Apple and Linux afficionados continually bang on about how secure their
> systems are, and how Vista is the nearest thing to an unexploded bomb if
> it even sniffs an Internet connection. Frankly, they are talking a load
> of *******s.
>
> SteveT


Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans
to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates since
January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time out of
date. No AV. No Firewall.

Oops.

Alias
 
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DanS
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      12-09-2007
"Erich Kohl" <> wrote in news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:

<SNIP>

> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
> computer.


I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.

Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be that the
single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
 
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forty-nine
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      12-09-2007
"Alias" <> wrote in message news:fjgr87$mvi$...
> Steve Thackery wrote:
>
> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans
> to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates since
> January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time out of
> date. No AV. No Firewall.
>
> Oops.
>
> Alias



Sounds like a PC administered by a 13 year old
 
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      12-09-2007
forty-nine wrote:
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:fjgr87$mvi$...
>> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>
>> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans
>> to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates
>> since January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time
>> out of date. No AV. No Firewall.
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>> Alias

>
>
> Sounds like a PC administered by a 13 year old


Sounds like you don't know what the fuçk you're talking about and have
never cleaned a computer of malware and pay someone like me to do it.

Alias
 
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      12-09-2007
DanS wrote:
> "Erich Kohl" <> wrote in news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>
> <SNIP>
>
>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>> computer.

>
> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>
> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be that the
> single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.


And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in *any*
email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.

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      12-09-2007
"Alias" <> wrote in message news:fjh5hq$ibc$...
> forty-nine wrote:
>> "Alias" <> wrote in message
>> news:fjgr87$mvi$...
>>> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>>
>>> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans
>>> to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates since
>>> January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time out of
>>> date. No AV. No Firewall.
>>>
>>> Oops.
>>>
>>> Alias

>>
>>
>> Sounds like a PC administered by a 13 year old

>
> Sounds like you don't know what the fuçk you're talking about and have
> never cleaned a computer of malware and pay someone like me to do it.
>
> Alias



Never have paid anyone to clean malware...have never had it !
It's a linux lie that it happens frequently...it happens to people who
download "free" stuff willy nilly.

That's a filthy typing finger you have there...talk about rude and
disgusting !

Ubuntu getting to you ?

 
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Alias
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      12-09-2007
forty-nine wrote:
> "Alias" <> wrote in message
> news:fjh5hq$ibc$...
>> forty-nine wrote:
>>> "Alias" <> wrote in message
>>> news:fjgr87$mvi$...
>>>> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus
>>>> scans to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows
>>>> updates since January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date.
>>>> Quick Time out of date. No AV. No Firewall.
>>>>
>>>> Oops.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a PC administered by a 13 year old

>>
>> Sounds like you don't know what the fuçk you're talking about and have
>> never cleaned a computer of malware and pay someone like me to do it.
>>
>> Alias

>
>
> Never have paid anyone to clean malware...have never had it !


Sure.

> It's a linux lie that it happens frequently...it happens to people who
> download "free" stuff willy nilly.


Sure.

>
> That's a filthy typing finger you have there...talk about rude and
> disgusting !


Get the fuçk over it.

>
> Ubuntu getting to you ?


Not at all. Retards like you are getting to me.

Alias
 
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