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Noel
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      01-17-2008

Thanks in advance for anyone willing to offer an answer or two. I a
new to the forum, and don't have or know much about Vista yet.

I have a new copy of XP-32bit that I am about to install in a new PC
am assembling soon. I'd like to install a new copy of Vista Ultimat
64-bit on a separate drive, for dual boot setup.

- Can I buy a less pricey "upgrade" version of Vista Ultimate 64, an
run XP in a dual boot setup and be in keeping with the EULA on bot
OS's? Or will I need the FULL version of Vista 64 as well? Wha
about "System Builder" versions in this situation?
- Is it best to install XP first in the case of a dual boot situatio
such as this?
- I am using current high end desktop intall Quad Core, nV8800GT, an
8GB of memory. Do you feel Vista, with its UAC disabled (just rea
about that!), is a worthy upgrade, overall?
- Are there issues in file transfers between both OS's, ie are drive
shareable in both OS as they were in Win2K/XP dual boots? I assum
so, but not certain.Many thanks for your replies,

Noe

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Malke
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      01-17-2008
Noel wrote:
> Thanks in advance for anyone willing to offer an answer or two. I am
> new to the forum, and don't have or know much about Vista yet.
>
> I have a new copy of XP-32bit that I am about to install in a new PC I
> am assembling soon. I'd like to install a new copy of Vista Ultimate
> 64-bit on a separate drive, for dual boot setup.
>
> - Can I buy a less pricey "upgrade" version of Vista Ultimate 64, and
> run XP in a dual boot setup and be in keeping with the EULA on both
> OS's? Or will I need the FULL version of Vista 64 as well? What
> about "System Builder" versions in this situation?
> - Is it best to install XP first in the case of a dual boot situation
> such as this?
> - I am using current high end desktop intall Quad Core, nV8800GT, and
> 8GB of memory. Do you feel Vista, with its UAC disabled (just read
> about that!), is a worthy upgrade, overall?
> - Are there issues in file transfers between both OS's, ie are drives
> shareable in both OS as they were in Win2K/XP dual boots? I assume
> so, but not certain.Many thanks for your replies,


Hi, Noel - Here are a few things to consider:

1. You cannot use an upgrade version of Vista in your first scenario
because the XP used as qualifying media is subsumed into the Vista
install; i.e., the XP license used to upgrade is now effectively gone.
So you'll need to purchase a full version of Vista to go with the XP
you've already bought.

2. All OEM licenses are designed to be full and to be installed on a
"new machine", so no upgrade is involved. OEM versions are usually not
significantly cheaper and have the added disadvantage of legally being
tied to the hardware on which they are first installed.

3. You need to install XP first, Vista second. Also, there are issues in
dual-booting XP and Vista in that XP will destroy Vista's System Restore
points. Therefore, you should use a third-party boot manager that can
hide the two systems from each other. Because of this, you should have a
separate hard drive just for data that will be seen from each OS.

4. Of course you can share files/folders/printers in Vista, just like
you can with any other OS. Vista has a lot more protected areas (root of
a drive, Program Files, etc.) so you need to learn about this. It is
always easiest to share files from where the OS expects you to, but
there are workarounds.

5. Since you are building your own machine, make sure there are Vista
drivers for all of your hardware and that all of your important software
is supported in Vista.

Here are some links that may help:

Dual Booting Windows Vista & Windows XP -
http://bertk.mvps.org/html/dualboot.html

AppReadiness (Beta) - http://www.appreadiness.com/default.aspx

Links to Manufacturer Information about CPU and Graphics Processor
Capabilities
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../aa905088.aspx

Networking Vista - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../bb727037.aspx

I have a small amount of Vista information here, but there are links to
other sites with deeper data on it:
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page5.html#Vista


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mikeyhsd
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      01-17-2008
might be in violation of the eula but it is possible to do a CLEAN install using an upgrade disk.

basically you install the first time not putting in the key.
then do an upgrade install putting in your key.

there are detailed steps available.
google for something like
clean install with upgrade disc.

you need to install the older system first to get the dual boot option created in the easiest manner.

do remember there are problems with each os wiping out the others restore points when dual booting.

and yes you can enable sharing between the 2 os.





"Noel" <> wrote in message news:...

Thanks in advance for anyone willing to offer an answer or two. I am
new to the forum, and don't have or know much about Vista yet.

I have a new copy of XP-32bit that I am about to install in a new PC I
am assembling soon. I'd like to install a new copy of Vista Ultimate
64-bit on a separate drive, for dual boot setup.

- Can I buy a less pricey "upgrade" version of Vista Ultimate 64, and
run XP in a dual boot setup and be in keeping with the EULA on both
OS's? Or will I need the FULL version of Vista 64 as well? What
about "System Builder" versions in this situation?
- Is it best to install XP first in the case of a dual boot situation
such as this?
- I am using current high end desktop intall Quad Core, nV8800GT, and
8GB of memory. Do you feel Vista, with its UAC disabled (just read
about that!), is a worthy upgrade, overall?
- Are there issues in file transfers between both OS's, ie are drives
shareable in both OS as they were in Win2K/XP dual boots? I assume
so, but not certain.Many thanks for your replies,

Noel


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Noel
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      01-18-2008

Thanks alot for those ideas. I plan on dabbling in Vista primarily, so
will run what apps runs, and not worry for the others. XP will be my
primary OS if you will.

I am guessing Vista will eventually take dominance in Windows machines,
but from the very low satisfaction level in Vista users surveys I read
it sounds like it that might still take a while, no?


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Bruce Chambers
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      01-18-2008
Noel wrote:
> Thanks in advance for anyone willing to offer an answer or two. I am
> new to the forum, and don't have or know much about Vista yet.
>
> I have a new copy of XP-32bit that I am about to install in a new PC I
> am assembling soon. I'd like to install a new copy of Vista Ultimate
> 64-bit on a separate drive, for dual boot setup.
>



Dual-booting is no longer necessary in most situations.

Why not download a Virtual Machine application, such as Microsoft's
VirtualPC 2007 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?) or
Innotek's VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) and run Win2K and your
legacy applications within a virtual computer. Both are free and work
with both WinXP and Vista.


> - Can I buy a less pricey "upgrade" version of Vista Ultimate 64, and
> run XP in a dual boot setup and be in keeping with the EULA on both
> OS's?



There is no upgrade path from any 32-bit OS to any 64-bit OS, so this
isn't even possible, were it not already a violation of the EULA to do
what you're contemplating.


> Or will I need the FULL version of Vista 64 as well?



You'll definitely need the full version.

> What
> about "System Builder" versions in this situation?



It would work, but there are some things to consider. There are some
very important reasons that an OEM license costs so much less than a
retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM DVD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM DVD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such DVDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the DVD was designed.
To be honest, such DVDs should _not_ be available on the open market;
but, if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or
computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's
too late. The "generic" OEM DVDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft
and sold to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem,
though, and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart
from the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.



> - Is it best to install XP first in the case of a dual boot situation
> such as this?



Normally, the older OS must be installed first unless you wish to
acquire and use some 3rd-party partition and boot management utility.
(In which case you have to follow the instructions provided by whatever
3rd party solution you select.) However, this KB Article (not for the
faint of heart) explains how to repair the Vista boot process after
installing WinXP:

Windows Vista no longer starts after you install an earlier version of
the Windows operating system in a dual-boot configuration
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529



> - I am using current high end desktop intall Quad Core, nV8800GT, and
> 8GB of memory. Do you feel Vista, with its UAC disabled (just read
> about that!), is a worthy upgrade, overall?



Without knowing what 64-bit applications you'll be installing and how
you plan to use the computer, there's no way to answer that question.
If you're only goal is too have an OS that can use 8Gb of RAM, you'll
have to go with the 64-bit OS.


> - Are there issues in file transfers between both OS's, ie are drives
> shareable in both OS as they were in Win2K/XP dual boots?



You should have no problem sharing data files, but I believe Vista will
corrupt any WinXP System Volume Information files, used by WinXP's
System Recovery.


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      01-18-2008
In article <>,
Bruce Chambers <3t> wrote:
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> Why not download a Virtual Machine application, such as Microsoft's
>VirtualPC 2007 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.asp?) or


Because virtual pc's don't allow you to use the entire machine
for a task, because virtual machines only support a limited hardware
set well, because if you run in a VM you'll have windows bugs, the VM
host bugs, and the intersection of both sets...

VM's are good for development and in production instances
where hard- and software are closely controlled. Otherwise they're
a PIA in my opinion. Just get 2 pc's and a kvm switch.


 
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