Vista Audio Solution - What You Hear

Many of you may have been as frustrated as myself by Micrsoft bowing to the RIAA
and pressuring the soundcard manufacturers to remove the "What You Hear" feature
from their drivers. This supposedly prevents you from recording web radio and
other sound card audio.

The short term workaround has been to loop the line out audio back around into
the line in jack. While this works, it's a kludge.

The good news is that Version 7 of Total Recorder (just released) now comes with
a true kernal mode driver that restores the capability to do direct recordings.

http://www.highcriteria.com/

(No connection to these guys other that I've been a registered user for several
years.)

That is an interesting scenario about the RIAA pressuring manufacturers of
sound cards and Microsoft. Sounds like the ranting of a disgruntled
copyright violator. I think you made it up or listened to someone else who
made it up.

You can still record what you hear and the kludge of patching a cable to
line-in was never required. It's now called stereo mix. It only has to be
enabled and set up as a recording source as it and several others are
disabled by default. I wonder if that was due to pressure from the RIAA?
Only after approval of homeland security.

Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space
in window, choose show disabled devices.

"Robert Neville" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Many of you may have been as frustrated as myself by Micrsoft bowing to
> the RIAA
> and pressuring the soundcard manufacturers to remove the "What You Hear"
> feature
> from their drivers. This supposedly prevents you from recording web radio
> and
> other sound card audio.
>
> The short term workaround has been to loop the line out audio back around
> into
> the line in jack. While this works, it's a kludge.
>
> The good news is that Version 7 of Total Recorder (just released) now
> comes with
> a true kernal mode driver that restores the capability to do direct
> recordings.
>
> http://www.highcriteria.com/
>
> (No connection to these guys other that I've been a registered user for
> several
> years.)

> Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space
> in window, choose show disabled devices.

Doesn't work for me. Still no "stereo mix". :-(

I'd love to get this working - it's a damn nuisance at the moment. Any
other thoughts?

SteveT

Maybe you are using digital spdif output?? Only other thought is that your
driver/hardware is not providing you the virtual input sources. I have
onboard Realtek AC '97 Audio, Driver 10/2006, digital output capable but not
enabled. This is not a high-end or recent set up. Recording sources
available are virtual(Stereo Mix, Mono Mix) Actual(CD/Video in, Aux/line in
2, Line in, phone line and Microphone).

"Steve Thackery" <> wrote in message
news:...
>> Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank
>> space in window, choose show disabled devices.
>
> Doesn't work for me. Still no "stereo mix". :-(
>
> I'd love to get this working - it's a damn nuisance at the moment. Any
> other thoughts?
>
> SteveT

"Cameron Snyder" <> wrote:

>You can still record what you hear and the kludge of patching a cable to
>line-in was never required. It's now called stereo mix. It only has to be
>enabled and set up as a recording source as it and several others are
>disabled by default.

Nice try, but there is no standard name for capturing a recording source, Stereo
Mix, Wave Out, What You Hear and other names have all been used by various sound
card manufacturers.

>Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space
>in window, choose show disabled devices.

This only works for certain older RealTek drivers. In some cases, people have
been sucessful in installing XP drivers in Vista. This is obviously not a good
long term solution.

"Robert Neville" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Cameron Snyder" <> wrote:
>
>>You can still record what you hear and the kludge of patching a cable to
>>line-in was never required. It's now called stereo mix. It only has to be
>>enabled and set up as a recording source as it and several others are
>>disabled by default.

> Nice try, but there is no standard name for capturing a recording source,
> Stereo
> Mix, Wave Out, What You Hear and other names have all been used by various
> sound
> card manufacturers.

This is irrelevant, but in XP the same hardware that said 'what you hear'
now in Vista says 'Stereo Mix'. Moot moot moot.The point is you need to
enable the source you can't use. If there is no source for you to enable
fine, your hardware sucks. It's not a Vista/Mcrsft/RIAA edict that caused
that.

>>Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space
>>in window, choose show disabled devices.

> This only works for certain older RealTek drivers. In some cases, people
> have
> been sucessful in installing XP drivers in Vista. This is obviously not a
> good
> long term solution.

Actually, this works with the most recent driver as well, it's just that
Windows Update kept nagging me with this version of the driver even when I
had a newer version installed. Since there is no functional difference for
me between the versions, like with any nag, I say OK, fine.

"Cameron Snyder" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>
> "Robert Neville" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> >
> > "Cameron Snyder" <> wrote:
> >
> >>You can still record what you hear and the kludge of patching a cable to
> >>line-in was never required. It's now called stereo mix. It only has to be
> >>enabled and set up as a recording source as it and several others are
> >>disabled by default.
>
> > Nice try, but there is no standard name for capturing a recording source,
> > Stereo
> > Mix, Wave Out, What You Hear and other names have all been used by various
> > sound
> > card manufacturers.
>
> This is irrelevant, but in XP the same hardware that said 'what you hear'
> now in Vista says 'Stereo Mix'. Moot moot moot.The point is you need to
> enable the source you can't use. If there is no source for you to enable
> fine, your hardware sucks. It's not a Vista/Mcrsft/RIAA edict that caused
> that.

Not true. If you dig down, WAAYY down, to the sound system chipset
specs, you will find that the HARDWARE is, and has always been,
capable of this. It is a choice that is made to write a driver
that does not fully support the hardware that does away with the
capability. If the sound hardware is working AT ALL, it is likely
capable of a loopback record within itself (i.e. - not requiring you to
patch Line Out to Line In [aka Full Duplex]).

AFAIK, "What U Hear" is Creative's name for this, other names
(Stereo Mix) seem to apply to Sound Max, Analog Devices, and others
using the 'AC97 chipsets. Creative tends to use their own silicon
(or at least used to - I haven't used their stuff in years since the Live!
hardware debacle of several years ago) and do things their own way.

>
> >>Right-click speaker icon, choose recording source, right click blank space
> >>in window, choose show disabled devices.
>
> > This only works for certain older RealTek drivers. In some cases, people
> > have
> > been sucessful in installing XP drivers in Vista. This is obviously not a
> > good
> > long term solution.
>
> Actually, this works with the most recent driver as well, it's just that
> Windows Update kept nagging me with this version of the driver even when I
> had a newer version installed. Since there is no functional difference for
> me between the versions, like with any nag, I say OK, fine.
>

> Recording sources available are virtual(Stereo Mix, Mono Mix)
> Actual(CD/Video in, Aux/line in 2, Line in, phone line and Microphone).

Thanks, Cameron. My list of recording devices is completely different:
microphone, microphone, line in, SPDIF (disabled).

Playback devices are: speakers, headphones, SPDIF (disabled).

Obviously no virtual inputs at all.

I'm not sure what actual chipset I've got on this motherboard. In Device
Manager it just calls it "High Definition Audio Device" and gives a driver
version of 6.0.6000.16386.

I can make a little loopback device for now, but I would like to chase it
down if possible.

Thanks for your help.

SteveT

"Steve Thackery" <> wrote:

>I'm not sure what actual chipset I've got on this motherboard. In Device
>Manager it just calls it "High Definition Audio Device"

That's the generic Windows driver. You should also see something labeled High
Definition Audio CODEC. The codec is the one you want to look at.

I'm sorry it didn't work for you. It is the easiest standard way to enable
as shown here:

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2007/01...in-vista/Check out this fairly recent thread. I didn't read all the posts but manyare in your boat so you may find some other workarounds:http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1005274&SiteID=1"Steve Thackery" <> wrote in messagenews:%23c5%. gbl...>> Recording sources available are virtual(Stereo Mix, Mono Mix)Actual(CD/Video in, Aux/line in 2, Line in, phone line and Microphone).>> Thanks, Cameron. My list of recording devices is completely different:microphone, microphone, line in, SPDIF (disabled).>> Playback devices are: speakers, headphones, SPDIF (disabled).>> Obviously no virtual inputs at all.>> I'm not sure what actual chipset I've got on this motherboard. In DeviceManager it just calls it "High Definition Audio Device" and gives a driverversion of 6.0.6000.16386.>> I can make a little loopback device for now, but I would like to chase itdown if possible.>> Thanks for your help.>> SteveT