Vista (beta )version 6.0 build 6001 service pak 1,v.668) one year later.

Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for
the privilege.
The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak
1,v.668.).

There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would be
impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide
range of configurations 'in house'.

Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the
problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my
software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed
instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black
task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry
cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research
everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the
value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any
variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it
escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself 'Oh
well, I guess this happens after a while'.

There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the
choice for the individual to make.

Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back to
what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you have a
crippled system before thinking about this.

Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to
research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it all'
is where the tears start.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




"Kue2" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for
> the privilege.
> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak
> 1,v.668.).

Well said Mike.

"Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would be
impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide
range of configurations 'in house'.

Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the
problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my
software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed
instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black
task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry
cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research
everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the
value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.

I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any
variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it
escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself 'Oh
well, I guess this happens after a while'.

There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the
choice for the individual to make.

Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back to
what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you have a
crippled system before thinking about this.

Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to
research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.

None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it all'
is where the tears start.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx




"Kue2" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for
> the privilege.
> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak
> 1,v.668.).

The "Software" has as many bugs in it today as it had a year ago.Anyone
looking for a cure for Vista in SP1 is going to be disappointed.
It's time to get off the soap -box & smell the coffee, Mike.
The one word to sum up would be "Lemon".

"Mike Hall - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
> There is no better 'test' area ultimately than out in the wild. It would
> be impossible for Microsoft or anybody else to test stuff over such a wide
> range of configurations 'in house'.
>
> Bear in mind that not all people suffer the same problems. I never had the
> problems seen by some. My hardware worked from day one as did 99% of my
> software. I wasn't just lucky. I didn't mess with stuff, and I followed
> instructions to the letter. I never assumed that Vista was XP with a black
> task bar. I didn't try to make it emulate Windows 95. I don't use registry
> cleaners or anything else which promises a 'one click' fix. I research
> everything before blindly clicking on 'OK' or 'Yes'. I have learned the
> value of the 'back' button if I am not sure about something.
>
> I know how the computer runs when initially set up, and if there is any
> variance in performance, and I mean 'ANY', I look for the reason BEFORE it
> escalates to the point where nothing works. I never ever say to myself
> 'Oh well, I guess this happens after a while'.
>
> There are ALWAYS options. Some may cost a little more, but that is the
> choice for the individual to make.
>
> Before upgrading anything, ensure that you have the means to revert back
> to what you know works for you if things go wrong. Do NOT wait until you
> have a crippled system before thinking about this.
>
> Your overall computing experience will be enhanced if you take the time to
> research and consider the effects of the changes you are about to make.
>
> None of us ever stop learning. The point at which we think we 'know it
> all' is where the tears start.
>
> --
> Mike Hall - MVP
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
>
>
>
>
> "Kue2" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for
>> the privilege.
>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak
>> 1,v.668.).
>

Not everyone, only those that choose.
And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.
SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting
the inherent risks of Beta.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar


"Kue2" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to
> pay for the privilege.
> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001
> service pak 1,v.668.).

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Not everyone, only those that choose.
> And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.
> SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting the
> inherent risks of Beta.

Maybe he meant Vista itself!

Tom Lake

Jupiter
Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Not everyone, only those that choose.
> And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.
> SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting the
> inherent risks of Beta.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>
>
> "Kue2" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Microsoft got everyone to participate in a beta & got everyone to pay for
>> the privilege.
>> The "New" age of software development.(version 6.0 build 6001 service pak
>> 1,v.668.).
>

Tom
No maybe's about it.
A year later & things have not improved.
Vista was never ready for prime time.

"Tom Lake" <> wrote in message
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>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Not everyone, only those that choose.
>> And those are probably a very small % of Windows Vista users.
>> SP-1 is obviously in Beta and those choosing to use it do so accepting
>> the inherent risks of Beta.
>
> Maybe he meant Vista itself!
>
> Tom Lake

Tom;
Service Pack 1 was specified.

Even so, those purchasing windows Vista have a choice.
No one is forced to use any operating system, at least not by
Microsoft.

Windows XP continues to be available and supported and is a good
option for many.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar



"Tom Lake" <> wrote in message
news:56B46DB1-E7C8-49B2-BAB9-...
> Maybe he meant Vista itself!
>
> Tom Lake

Your opinion, not in fact.
The software manufacturer and not us the users decide when software is
no longer in Beta.
The users simply choose if and when to use the software, no one forces
us.

Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar



"Kue2" <> wrote in message
news:%...
>
> Jupiter
> Vista is in beta with or without the SP1!