Vista blocking recordings

Hi all:

I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run our
plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We have
always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance hiccups here and
there but nothing worse than I have seen with any PVR. So now that Vista is
on there, a movie just came on the kids channel that I wanted to record, and
I got a message:

"Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
provider" and Vista won't record it!!!

Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the whole
point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and can
record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a more
convenient time?

That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might look
into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
entertainment OSes.

I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is just
plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...

John.

--
This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/

Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a pvr from
your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked content. Welcome to the
wonderful world of DRM.

"John" <> wrote in message
news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
> Hi all:
>
> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run our
> plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We have
> always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance hiccups here
> and there but nothing worse than I have seen with any PVR. So now that
> Vista is on there, a movie just came on the kids channel that I wanted to
> record, and I got a message:
>
> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>
> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the whole
> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and can
> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a more
> convenient time?
>
> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might look
> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
> entertainment OSes.
>
> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is just
> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>
> John.
>
> --
> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>

I do blame MS for this for bending and putting that functionality in the OS

--
This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/

"Peter M" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a pvr from
> your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked content. Welcome to
> the wonderful world of DRM.
>
> "John" <> wrote in message
> news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run our
>> plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We have
>> always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance hiccups here
>> and there but nothing worse than I have seen with any PVR. So now that
>> Vista is on there, a movie just came on the kids channel that I wanted to
>> record, and I got a message:
>>
>> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
>> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>>
>> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the whole
>> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and can
>> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a more
>> convenient time?
>>
>> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might look
>> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
>> entertainment OSes.
>>
>> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is just
>> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>>
>> John.
>>
>> --
>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>
>

They had no choice, it was not a question of bending. Had they not included
DRM with any media content player/recording device, they would have been
sued by every record label and network for allowing unprotected copying.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"John" <> wrote in message
news:8AA095AC-1B81-4F44-B13C-...
>I do blame MS for this for bending and putting that functionality in the OS
>
> --
> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>
> "Peter M" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a pvr
>> from your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked content. Welcome
>> to the wonderful world of DRM.
>>
>> "John" <> wrote in message
>> news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run
>>> our plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We
>>> have always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance hiccups
>>> here and there but nothing worse than I have seen with any PVR. So now
>>> that Vista is on there, a movie just came on the kids channel that I
>>> wanted to record, and I got a message:
>>>
>>> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
>>> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>>>
>>> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the whole
>>> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and
>>> can
>>> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a more
>>> convenient time?
>>>
>>> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might look
>>> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
>>> entertainment OSes.
>>>
>>> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is
>>> just
>>> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>>>
>>> John.
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>
>

Hi Rick:

I disagree. This "feature" wasn't a part of MCE and no one tried to sue.
This DRM BS is a very gray area, but the letter of the law, which I had to
know when I was a MCE product TS at MSFT for 2 years, is that recording and
watching shows in your home is fine, as long as you don't record the shows
and then try to sell them in any way. Now I am sure teams of lawyers are
having fun creating all kinds of new laws around this and making huge fees,
but common sense should prevail here.

Essentially by blocking PVRs we are being told (it's ok for you to watch
this show at 6 PM, but not at 7 PM"...

Ridiculous.

John.

--
This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/

"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> They had no choice, it was not a question of bending. Had they not
> included DRM with any media content player/recording device, they would
> have been sued by every record label and network for allowing unprotected
> copying.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "John" <> wrote in message
> news:8AA095AC-1B81-4F44-B13C-...
>>I do blame MS for this for bending and putting that functionality in the
>>OS
>>
>> --
>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "Peter M" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a pvr
>>> from your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked content.
>>> Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM.
>>>
>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>> news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
>>>> Hi all:
>>>>
>>>> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run
>>>> our plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We
>>>> have always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance hiccups
>>>> here and there but nothing worse than I have seen with any PVR. So now
>>>> that Vista is on there, a movie just came on the kids channel that I
>>>> wanted to record, and I got a message:
>>>>
>>>> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
>>>> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>>>>
>>>> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the
>>>> whole
>>>> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and
>>>> can
>>>> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a more
>>>> convenient time?
>>>>
>>>> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might
>>>> look
>>>> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
>>>> entertainment OSes.
>>>>
>>>> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is
>>>> just
>>>> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>>>>
>>>> John.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

While I don't disagree with you in practice, things have changed rapidly
with regards to DRM. Keep in mind that only a few years ago it was
completely uncontrolled, songs, shows, and movies being swapped freely and
openly. With the advent of lawsuit-happy, greedy recording companies and
studios, any commercial entity needs to protect itself from these suit-happy
idiots that cry foul for singing happy birthday in a restaurant. They'd see
MS as a huge target with deep pockets to ravage, and it's this sort of
mentality that forces MS and other companies to hedge on the side of
precaution and implement DRM across the board. In order to allow copying of
protected media for personal use, they'd also have to prove that it could
not be later redistributed. It's obscene, but it's what it has come to.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"John" <> wrote in message
news:28CE6881-CDE5-4833-88E7-...
> Hi Rick:
>
> I disagree. This "feature" wasn't a part of MCE and no one tried to sue.
> This DRM BS is a very gray area, but the letter of the law, which I had to
> know when I was a MCE product TS at MSFT for 2 years, is that recording
> and watching shows in your home is fine, as long as you don't record the
> shows and then try to sell them in any way. Now I am sure teams of lawyers
> are having fun creating all kinds of new laws around this and making huge
> fees, but common sense should prevail here.
>
> Essentially by blocking PVRs we are being told (it's ok for you to watch
> this show at 6 PM, but not at 7 PM"...
>
> Ridiculous.
>
> John.
>
> --
> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>
> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> They had no choice, it was not a question of bending. Had they not
>> included DRM with any media content player/recording device, they would
>> have been sued by every record label and network for allowing unprotected
>> copying.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "John" <> wrote in message
>> news:8AA095AC-1B81-4F44-B13C-...
>>>I do blame MS for this for bending and putting that functionality in the
>>>OS
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> "Peter M" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a pvr
>>>> from your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked content.
>>>> Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM.
>>>>
>>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>
>>>>> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run
>>>>> our plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We
>>>>> have always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance
>>>>> hiccups here and there but nothing worse than I have seen with any
>>>>> PVR. So now that Vista is on there, a movie just came on the kids
>>>>> channel that I wanted to record, and I got a message:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
>>>>> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and
>>>>> can
>>>>> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a
>>>>> more
>>>>> convenient time?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might
>>>>> look
>>>>> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
>>>>> entertainment OSes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is
>>>>> just
>>>>> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>>>>>
>>>>> John.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Rather than Microsoft bending to the content providers will out of fear
might it not have been because they wanted access to content to sell to Zune
customers?

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2


"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> While I don't disagree with you in practice, things have changed rapidly
> with regards to DRM. Keep in mind that only a few years ago it was
> completely uncontrolled, songs, shows, and movies being swapped freely and
> openly. With the advent of lawsuit-happy, greedy recording companies and
> studios, any commercial entity needs to protect itself from these
> suit-happy idiots that cry foul for singing happy birthday in a
> restaurant. They'd see MS as a huge target with deep pockets to ravage,
> and it's this sort of mentality that forces MS and other companies to
> hedge on the side of precaution and implement DRM across the board. In
> order to allow copying of protected media for personal use, they'd also
> have to prove that it could not be later redistributed. It's obscene, but
> it's what it has come to.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "John" <> wrote in message
> news:28CE6881-CDE5-4833-88E7-...
>> Hi Rick:
>>
>> I disagree. This "feature" wasn't a part of MCE and no one tried to sue.
>> This DRM BS is a very gray area, but the letter of the law, which I had
>> to know when I was a MCE product TS at MSFT for 2 years, is that
>> recording and watching shows in your home is fine, as long as you don't
>> record the shows and then try to sell them in any way. Now I am sure
>> teams of lawyers are having fun creating all kinds of new laws around
>> this and making huge fees, but common sense should prevail here.
>>
>> Essentially by blocking PVRs we are being told (it's ok for you to watch
>> this show at 6 PM, but not at 7 PM"...
>>
>> Ridiculous.
>>
>> John.
>>
>> --
>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> They had no choice, it was not a question of bending. Had they not
>>> included DRM with any media content player/recording device, they would
>>> have been sued by every record label and network for allowing
>>> unprotected copying.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>
>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>> news:8AA095AC-1B81-4F44-B13C-...
>>>>I do blame MS for this for bending and putting that functionality in the
>>>>OS
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> "Peter M" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a pvr
>>>>> from your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked content.
>>>>> Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM.
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
>>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run
>>>>>> our plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We
>>>>>> have always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance
>>>>>> hiccups here and there but nothing worse than I have seen with any
>>>>>> PVR. So now that Vista is on there, a movie just came on the kids
>>>>>> channel that I wanted to record, and I got a message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
>>>>>> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> convenient time?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
>>>>>> entertainment OSes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I'm sure it had a hand in it as well, and there were probably a few other
factors. If DRM wasn't included, I'm sure they'd have never gotten
permission for the content. My main point is that MS had no choice but to
implement DRM. The days of "personal use" are gone, it's just way too easy
to share media and though many can restrain themselves, many more cannot.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"Kerry Brown" <*a*m> wrote in message
news:...
> Rather than Microsoft bending to the content providers will out of fear
> might it not have been because they wanted access to content to sell to
> Zune customers?
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> While I don't disagree with you in practice, things have changed rapidly
>> with regards to DRM. Keep in mind that only a few years ago it was
>> completely uncontrolled, songs, shows, and movies being swapped freely
>> and openly. With the advent of lawsuit-happy, greedy recording companies
>> and studios, any commercial entity needs to protect itself from these
>> suit-happy idiots that cry foul for singing happy birthday in a
>> restaurant. They'd see MS as a huge target with deep pockets to ravage,
>> and it's this sort of mentality that forces MS and other companies to
>> hedge on the side of precaution and implement DRM across the board. In
>> order to allow copying of protected media for personal use, they'd also
>> have to prove that it could not be later redistributed. It's obscene, but
>> it's what it has come to.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>
>> "John" <> wrote in message
>> news:28CE6881-CDE5-4833-88E7-...
>>> Hi Rick:
>>>
>>> I disagree. This "feature" wasn't a part of MCE and no one tried to sue.
>>> This DRM BS is a very gray area, but the letter of the law, which I had
>>> to know when I was a MCE product TS at MSFT for 2 years, is that
>>> recording and watching shows in your home is fine, as long as you don't
>>> record the shows and then try to sell them in any way. Now I am sure
>>> teams of lawyers are having fun creating all kinds of new laws around
>>> this and making huge fees, but common sense should prevail here.
>>>
>>> Essentially by blocking PVRs we are being told (it's ok for you to watch
>>> this show at 6 PM, but not at 7 PM"...
>>>
>>> Ridiculous.
>>>
>>> John.
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>>> news:%...
>>>> They had no choice, it was not a question of bending. Had they not
>>>> included DRM with any media content player/recording device, they would
>>>> have been sued by every record label and network for allowing
>>>> unprotected copying.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best of Luck,
>>>>
>>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>>
>>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:8AA095AC-1B81-4F44-B13C-...
>>>>>I do blame MS for this for bending and putting that functionality in
>>>>>the OS
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "Peter M" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a pvr
>>>>>> from your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked content.
>>>>>> Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
>>>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to
>>>>>>> run our plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2
>>>>>>> years. We have always been pretty happy with the setup, a few
>>>>>>> performance hiccups here and there but nothing worse than I have
>>>>>>> seen with any PVR. So now that Vista is on there, a movie just came
>>>>>>> on the kids channel that I wanted to record, and I got a message:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
>>>>>>> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the
>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules
>>>>>>> and can
>>>>>>> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> convenient time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
>>>>>>> entertainment OSes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

I mostly agree. I'm sure there were many factors involved in the DRM
implementation in Vista. I don't like DRM, especially as it's currently
implemented but in the end there has to be some way to ensure copyright
holders get paid or there will be no incentive to produce new material. We
are no where close to solution that is equitable to all parties yet.
Currently DRM is skewed towards the content providers to the detriment of
the consumers. Hopefully some time in the near future a compromise will be
worked out.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2

"Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I'm sure it had a hand in it as well, and there were probably a few other
> factors. If DRM wasn't included, I'm sure they'd have never gotten
> permission for the content. My main point is that MS had no choice but to
> implement DRM. The days of "personal use" are gone, it's just way too easy
> to share media and though many can restrain themselves, many more cannot.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>
> "Kerry Brown" <*a*m> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Rather than Microsoft bending to the content providers will out of fear
>> might it not have been because they wanted access to content to sell to
>> Zune customers?
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2
>>
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> While I don't disagree with you in practice, things have changed rapidly
>>> with regards to DRM. Keep in mind that only a few years ago it was
>>> completely uncontrolled, songs, shows, and movies being swapped freely
>>> and openly. With the advent of lawsuit-happy, greedy recording companies
>>> and studios, any commercial entity needs to protect itself from these
>>> suit-happy idiots that cry foul for singing happy birthday in a
>>> restaurant. They'd see MS as a huge target with deep pockets to ravage,
>>> and it's this sort of mentality that forces MS and other companies to
>>> hedge on the side of precaution and implement DRM across the board. In
>>> order to allow copying of protected media for personal use, they'd also
>>> have to prove that it could not be later redistributed. It's obscene,
>>> but it's what it has come to.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>
>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>> news:28CE6881-CDE5-4833-88E7-...
>>>> Hi Rick:
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. This "feature" wasn't a part of MCE and no one tried to
>>>> sue. This DRM BS is a very gray area, but the letter of the law, which
>>>> I had to know when I was a MCE product TS at MSFT for 2 years, is that
>>>> recording and watching shows in your home is fine, as long as you don't
>>>> record the shows and then try to sell them in any way. Now I am sure
>>>> teams of lawyers are having fun creating all kinds of new laws around
>>>> this and making huge fees, but common sense should prevail here.
>>>>
>>>> Essentially by blocking PVRs we are being told (it's ok for you to
>>>> watch this show at 6 PM, but not at 7 PM"...
>>>>
>>>> Ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>> John.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>> "Rick Rogers" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:%...
>>>>> They had no choice, it was not a question of bending. Had they not
>>>>> included DRM with any media content player/recording device, they
>>>>> would have been sued by every record label and network for allowing
>>>>> unprotected copying.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best of Luck,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:8AA095AC-1B81-4F44-B13C-...
>>>>>>I do blame MS for this for bending and putting that functionality in
>>>>>>the OS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Peter M" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Don't blame MS for this, blame the MPAA/RIAA etc .... even with a
>>>>>>> pvr from your cable co, it won't allow you to record blocked
>>>>>>> content. Welcome to the wonderful world of DRM.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
>>>>>>>> Hi all:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to
>>>>>>>> run our plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2
>>>>>>>> years. We have always been pretty happy with the setup, a few
>>>>>>>> performance hiccups here and there but nothing worse than I have
>>>>>>>> seen with any PVR. So now that Vista is on there, a movie just came
>>>>>>>> on the kids channel that I wanted to record, and I got a message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the
>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules
>>>>>>>> and can
>>>>>>>> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> convenient time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might
>>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>>> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
>>>>>>>> entertainment OSes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature"
>>>>>>>> is just
>>>>>>>> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
>>>>>>>> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Once the provider of the TV show discovers that nobody is watching the shows
that can't be recorded, they might change their minds.
Or when their customers start complaining and canceling their subscriptions.

"John" <> wrote in message
news:3D32692F-CF0D-4813-A444-...
> Hi all:
>
> I decided to install Vista Ultimate as a test on the PC we use to run our
> plasma TV where we have had MCE for at least the last 2 years. We have
> always been pretty happy with the setup, a few performance hiccups here
> and there but nothing worse than I have seen with any PVR. So now that
> Vista is on there, a movie just came on the kids channel that I wanted to
> record, and I got a message:
>
> "Vista cannot record this program due to restrictions imposed by the
> provider" and Vista won't record it!!!
>
> Pardon my French but this is bloody F&*king ridiculous!! Isn't the whole
> point of PVR functionality so that we are not slaved to schedules and can
> record and watch shows, broadcast over cable that we pay for, at a more
> convenient time?
>
> That's the end of Vista for that box, going back to MCE and I might look
> into the PVR provided by my cable company and dump all Microsoft
> entertainment OSes.
>
> I am usually a huge fan of Microsoft products, but this "feature" is just
> plain stupid and doesn't think about the end user...
>
> John.
>
> --
> This message sent from Windows Vista Ultimate
> http://mscrmguy.blogspot.com/
>