Vista is Crap, here comes MinWin

http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/1...ista-headaches

In the year that has passed since Microsoft released Windows Vista to
business users, the operating system has gained a reputation in the channel
as a bloated memory hog that many companies are avoiding like a trip to the
dentist. But Microsoft partners have a more positive opinion of Windows 7,
the next generation of Windows that Microsoft expects to ship in the 2010
timeframe. That's because Windows 7 will be based on MinWin, a scaled down
version of the Windows core that will also serve as the framework for
Windows Server and Windows Media Center.

MinWin's source code base takes up about 25 megabytes on disk, compared to
about 4 gigabytes for Vista. Solution providers see this as a sign that
Microsoft has learned its lesson from trying to cram too much into the
Windows OS, and some feel that Windows 7 will be a roaring success in the
market. "There has definitely been a huge amount of resistance in the market
to Vista, but I think Microsoft has learned a lot from the experience," said
Todd Swank, director of marketing for system builder and solution provider
Nor-Tech, Burnsville, Minn. "I also think they realize they waited too long
between the release of Windows XP and Vista."

View: The full story @ CRN

Oh by the way... Stupid vista dorks have accused me of not wanting new
stuff.. as if vista was some kind of revolution... lol.... vista is a joke
Anyway if I was afraid of change why am I waiting for the next version of
windows with anticipation?
Could it be because I know vista is total crap and that windows 7 will be
what vista was supposed to be?

DARN RIGHT!!!

oh how stupid are the poor loser vista users!


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news:475430e6$...
> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/1...ista-headaches
>
> In the year that has passed since Microsoft released Windows Vista to
> business users, the operating system has gained a reputation in the
> channel as a bloated memory hog that many companies are avoiding like a
> trip to the dentist. But Microsoft partners have a more positive opinion
> of Windows 7, the next generation of Windows that Microsoft expects to
> ship in the 2010 timeframe. That's because Windows 7 will be based on
> MinWin, a scaled down version of the Windows core that will also serve as
> the framework for Windows Server and Windows Media Center.
>
> MinWin's source code base takes up about 25 megabytes on disk, compared to
> about 4 gigabytes for Vista. Solution providers see this as a sign that
> Microsoft has learned its lesson from trying to cram too much into the
> Windows OS, and some feel that Windows 7 will be a roaring success in the
> market. "There has definitely been a huge amount of resistance in the
> market to Vista, but I think Microsoft has learned a lot from the
> experience," said Todd Swank, director of marketing for system builder and
> solution provider Nor-Tech, Burnsville, Minn. "I also think they realize
> they waited too long between the release of Windows XP and Vista."
>
> View: The full story @ CRN
>
>
>
>

vista claus wrote:

> Oh by the way... Stupid vista dorks have accused me of not wanting new
> stuff..

Wrong! You're just stupid, incompetent and full of hatred.
Get a fukkin life you POS as*hole loser.
Frank

Well, they have 2 more years at least to throw in more stuff to the MinWin
you talk about. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Marcus


"vista claus" <> wrote in message
news:475430e6$...
> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/1...ista-headaches
>
> In the year that has passed since Microsoft released Windows Vista to
> business users, the operating system has gained a reputation in the
> channel as a bloated memory hog that many companies are avoiding like a
> trip to the dentist. But Microsoft partners have a more positive opinion
> of Windows 7, the next generation of Windows that Microsoft expects to
> ship in the 2010 timeframe. That's because Windows 7 will be based on
> MinWin, a scaled down version of the Windows core that will also serve as
> the framework for Windows Server and Windows Media Center.
>
> MinWin's source code base takes up about 25 megabytes on disk, compared to
> about 4 gigabytes for Vista. Solution providers see this as a sign that
> Microsoft has learned its lesson from trying to cram too much into the
> Windows OS, and some feel that Windows 7 will be a roaring success in the
> market. "There has definitely been a huge amount of resistance in the
> market to Vista, but I think Microsoft has learned a lot from the
> experience," said Todd Swank, director of marketing for system builder and
> solution provider Nor-Tech, Burnsville, Minn. "I also think they realize
> they waited too long between the release of Windows XP and Vista."
>
> View: The full story @ CRN
>
>
>
>

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:14:41 -0800, Frank wrote:

> vista claus wrote:
>
>> Oh by the way... Stupid vista dorks have accused me of not wanting new
>> stuff..
>
> Wrong! You're just stupid, incompetent and full of hatred.
> Get a fukkin life you POS as*hole loser.
> Frank

Absolutely amazing! There you are with the profanity and personal attacks
already! The two major crutches of a weak mind.

ray wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:14:41 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>vista claus wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Oh by the way... Stupid vista dorks have accused me of not wanting new
>>>stuff..
>>
>>Wrong! You're just stupid, incompetent and full of hatred.
>>Get a fukkin life you POS as*hole loser.
>>Frank
>
>
> Absolutely amazing! There you are with the profanity and personal attacks
> already! The two major crutches of a weak mind.
>

Profanity and personal attacks are far less of a crutch than lying.
Or maybe you think otherwise?
Frank

vista claus wrote:


> ...Could it be because I know vista is total crap and that windows 7 will be
> what vista was supposed to be....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe, just maybe for once...you should read and try and understand what
you've just read. Here is the real truth about Window 7 and Vista.
This is from a poster named "anthonyspt", and is a little technical in
nature.

"In addition to the information provided by #5, what people also seemed
to have completely missed about the presentation of the MinWin
demonstration is that it is essentially the Vista kernel as it exists
today, it is just a slightly newer build forked after the Windows 2008
server NT build. It is nothing special or new whatsoever except it was
compiled with an HTTP server interface at the core layer.

So the whole demonstration wasn't about something new, it was about what
is when you strip the upper layers of the OS away. MinWin is Vista's
core OS, and it is shocking that people didn't understand that from the
demonstration as this was specifically talked about that MinWin was just
the NT OS but a slightly newer fork from Vista and modified to only have
the HTTP interface API instead of a full subsystem like Win32 as the NT
client/server kernel is designed to have and work with higher level OS
level API sets.

NT is and always has been a well designed kernel and OS underlying
architecture, and this was nothing more than a demonstration of this.

Vista only gets big when you add on the subsystems. Take the NT HAL
originally it was designed to be under 64K, around Win2k/XP days it grew
to around 120-150K, in Vista it is still only 250K, and it has to deal
with all the new core hardware technologies in addition to all the
legacy hardware and x86 as well.

Vista gets big especially when you consider the Win32/Win64 subsystems
and the legacy and complexity that exist in just the Win32 subsystem as
it goes back to code from the late 80s because it still has Win16
compatibility layer, and all the NT Win32 work from 1990 to the current
date.

Another thing that gets missed in the contrast of bloat in size from
Vista to XP is that Vista revamped the Video, Audio, Display, Internal
Com, Network Stack, Printing subsystem, and added a new API set that is
a dual 2D/3D managed XML based UI API.

The added 'new' alone is large, but also then remember that Vista will
STILL work with XP based audio drivers, XP based Video drivers, XP based
printer drivers, XP based network drivers; and in doing so, many of
these old drivers run beside the new Vista systems, as then run in the
old context and on legacy code that was 'kept' specifically so XP
technology could easily move to Vista. So when printing to a EMF/GDI
based printer driver, Vista has to convert it from XPS/XAML to EMF or
when printing from an old application that sends the information to the
printer in GDI/EMF format and the printer is new and use a XPS based
driver, it has to convert this to XPS. And it does all of this
flawlessly, to the point where people don't see that Vista is much
different than XP because all of the compatibility and duality of the
new and old systems in Vista do work so well.

Also look at the complexity of handling to Video driver constructs and
two Video subsystems. Using old drivers, it has to work like XP did, let
it run in kernel mode and also convert new application constructs to
work on the old model. Then there is the new WDDM/LDDM driver model of
Vista, and in addition to working well, running in a hybrid kernel/user
mode, it also has to work flawlessly when running old applications and
supporting the new APIs and constructs of the WDDM/LDDM video system
that adds in GPU scheduling, GPU virtualization, a Composer, etc.

MinWin is great, but it is nothing special, new or nothing that doesn't
already exist on every Vista based computer in the world, it is just NT
at the core with no subsystem layers.

Mary Jo and others keep confusing this issue and trying to build MinWin
to be a new direction or Windows 7 and it is not. Everyone here needs to
write the authors of stories like this and let them know that they
should actually watch the MinWin presentation fully and stop calling it
new, and instead realize it is just a different look at Windows of today
- barebones."

Frank

This is just analyst as usual doing their job and turning out to be wrong.
--
Andre
Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
My Vista Quickstart Guide:
http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
"vista claus" <> wrote in message
news:475430e6$...
> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/07/1...ista-headaches
>
> In the year that has passed since Microsoft released Windows Vista to
> business users, the operating system has gained a reputation in the
> channel as a bloated memory hog that many companies are avoiding like a
> trip to the dentist. But Microsoft partners have a more positive opinion
> of Windows 7, the next generation of Windows that Microsoft expects to
> ship in the 2010 timeframe. That's because Windows 7 will be based on
> MinWin, a scaled down version of the Windows core that will also serve as
> the framework for Windows Server and Windows Media Center.
>
> MinWin's source code base takes up about 25 megabytes on disk, compared to
> about 4 gigabytes for Vista. Solution providers see this as a sign that
> Microsoft has learned its lesson from trying to cram too much into the
> Windows OS, and some feel that Windows 7 will be a roaring success in the
> market. "There has definitely been a huge amount of resistance in the
> market to Vista, but I think Microsoft has learned a lot from the
> experience," said Todd Swank, director of marketing for system builder and
> solution provider Nor-Tech, Burnsville, Minn. "I also think they realize
> they waited too long between the release of Windows XP and Vista."
>
> View: The full story @ CRN
>
>
>
>

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:15:13 -0800, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:14:41 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>vista claus wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oh by the way... Stupid vista dorks have accused me of not wanting new
>>>>stuff..
>>>
>>>Wrong! You're just stupid, incompetent and full of hatred.
>>>Get a fukkin life you POS as*hole loser.
>>>Frank
>>
>>
>> Absolutely amazing! There you are with the profanity and personal attacks
>> already! The two major crutches of a weak mind.
>>
>
> Profanity and personal attacks are far less of a crutch than lying.
> Or maybe you think otherwise?
> Frank

You should know frankie baby.

ray wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:15:13 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>ray wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:14:41 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>vista claus wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Oh by the way... Stupid vista dorks have accused me of not wanting new
>>>>>stuff..
>>>>
>>>>Wrong! You're just stupid, incompetent and full of hatred.
>>>>Get a fukkin life you POS as*hole loser.
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>Absolutely amazing! There you are with the profanity and personal attacks
>>>already! The two major crutches of a weak mind.
>>>
>>
>>Profanity and personal attacks are far less of a crutch than lying.
>>Or maybe you think otherwise?
>>Frank
>
>
> You should know frankie baby.
>

Right and I'm not the one who is lying.
Frank