Vista has another nasty surprise for you if you do a install in place

Dale,

Thanks for those links to VPN and I'll try them today. As for loading
programs with UAC turned off - some work certainly but most didn't. I did
not change any permissions per se, but turning UAC off should have made
numerous changes to my account. Thanks for the info.

Bob S.


"Dale White" <> wrote in message
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> Hmm, Bob that sure sounds interesting. I'm going to have to play around
> with it and see what I can find. You know there is vista supported Cisco
> client out, I installed it and it worked fine so far. You can get it here
> http://www.bu.edu/nsg/vpn/ms/testmsvpn.htm
>
> I tried to install the version our customers gave us, but it give me an
> error on a DLL file it apparently wants. This happens whether I have UAC
> on or OFF.
>
> I've installed Office 2003 Pro on 2 different system, both with UAC off
> and so far everything works. Though I've only really used Outlook. I did
> open up an XLS and PPT file and they both opened fine. I've installed
> several games FEAR, BF2, BF2142, BF1942, Doom3, FarCry, 3dMark06 and apps
> like Office 2003 Pro, Streets 2007, ACDSee 7.0, Java 1.5.10, Norton
> Anti-virus Corp Edt 10.2, Quicktime 7.1.3, Adobe reader 8.0, DUmeter 3.2,
> ATI's 7,1 drivers and Control Panel, Winzip 10 and Winrar 3.2 all with UAC
> off and haven't hit a problem yet. This is with Vista Home Prem,
> Enterprise and Ultimate
>
> Roxio Easy CD\DVD 9.0 gave me a compliant about the Sonic driver not being
> supported and thus disabled, so I tried your recommendation and installed
> it with UAC on. Still, it complains about that driver. Not sure what it
> does, as so far I haven't had an issue with burning DVDs. Though my
> testing is limited.
>
> It sounds like you might have some other kind of crazy permission things
> going on. I should note, one of the first things I do, is grant everyone
> full control of the hard drive, instead of the limited access it starts
> with. Under User accounts, did you click the option to give yourself
> "God-like" control ?
>
>
>
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> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
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>> Dale,
>>
>> Basically, the software (written for WinXP) is being blocked from writing
>> to "wherever" it has to be written to when UAC is off. Cisco VPN is one
>> example where it was erring out on registering some dll's and even being
>> blocked from writing to a temp directory. After turning UAC back on,
>> those errors went away. The VPN software is supposedly not compatible
>> with Vista but I read that it will run if given WinXP credentials. That
>> did make a difference but I haven't connected up with the VPN server yet
>> to test it.
>>
>> Microsoft Office 2003 another example - UAC off and MS Office went thru
>> the whole install - not a single burp ---- but it did not fully install.
>> Had parts of Office Tools, had Excel and PP but no MS Word (did a
>> Typical Install) to be found - weird.
>>
>> Turned UAC back on - did the install - no problem. As I stated - I got
>> the book but haven't had much chance to look at it with all the other
>> alligators vying for attention.
>>
>> Wish I could tell you more but I didn't go back thru and logs to see
>> what, if any, errors or alerts were being logged. Simply testing with UAC
>> on or off and noted the differences. Some programs, such as print server
>> utilities simply bombed out from the git-go with all sorts of error
>> codes/messages. Turn UAC on, worked fine.
>>
>> With UAC off, I did load MS Access but I haven't tested against a
>> database yet. That loaded without incident and I'm almost 100% sure UAC
>> was off. I'm sure I'll be reloading it a time or two and I'll verify but
>> if there are some tweaks to make UAC less annoying - that's what I'll be
>> testing against. So Adam, document the hell out of your wanderings with
>> secpol.msc.
>>
>> Bob S.
>>
>>
>> "Dale White" <> wrote in message
>> news:1I-...
>>> Bob, What is the problem with installing software with UAC off ? I have
>>> UAC disabled and don't plan to ever enabled it. Why would having UAC off
>>> cause a problem ?
>>>
>>> "BobS" <no-> wrote in message
>>> news:O75T$...
>>>
>>>> One more point since I believe you mentioned that you turned off UAC.
>>>> Not a good idea as I've learned when installing software. Be sure UAC
>>>> is ON, then reinstall the software and you just may notice a big
>>>> difference - I did..
>>>>
>>>> Certainly don't mean to preach to the choir but thought maybe you're
>>>> focused a bit tight right now with getting your system up and
>>>> documenting the trials and tribulations too. Appreciate you're doing
>>>> so - really....fewer headaches we have to go thru....;-)
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Bob S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Adam Albright" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> If Vista makes a mirror image of settings and applications as claimed
>>>>> if you do a install in place to save from having to reinstall your
>>>>> applications the following can't happen, but it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're probably tired of me saying I have lots of software. Well I do.
>>>>> After successfully installing Vista and doing a quick check of all my
>>>>> software to see if it was still running, guess I didn't check fully
>>>>> enough. While all my software works under Vista, except for AVG
>>>>> antivirus as far as I can tell so far I didn't check every feature in
>>>>> every application to see if everything still works as it should. That
>>>>> would be endless.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well darn the luck. I just started to use a application I hadn't
>>>>> tested aside from seeing if it worked at the most basic level, which
>>>>> it did. To put it simply, now that I'm really starting to get back to
>>>>> work and trying to seriously use my software, this one package at
>>>>> least looks strange if I go to certain menu choices. They're simply
>>>>> gone. In their place are huge blank white areas where program controls
>>>>> use to be. How's that for frustrating? This application of course
>>>>> worked fine under XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> So again for about the 20th time since installed Vista I had to stop
>>>>> what I was doing and start to troubleshoot what Vista messed up.
>>>>> Couldn't find out what happened except it obviously didn't transfer
>>>>> everything to the Registry correctly. I was able to reinstall the
>>>>> application and again it seems to be working alright, but just another
>>>>> nail in Vista's coffin. Vista was extensively tested before release?
>>>>> LOL! Sure, and I'm the king of England.
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