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Bob Petruska
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Please explain that one user requirement? In XP if I set up a User Name and
Password during the XP install then on boot I always needed to type in the password to contiue on to the desktop. If you leave the User Name and Password blank during the XP install then you just boot right to the desktop without the password input. Are you saying that I need to set up at least one Vista Administrator account? Is that done during the Vista installation or later? If I do set up an Admin account will I then be required to enter the password at each boot to get to the desktop or will I only need to use the Admin password when I'm doing Admin functions? "Richard G. Harper" <> wrote in message news:09BE21B9-6CE1-4889-AE4A-... > If you install Vista correctly, with only one user account, it should > start up and go directly to your desktop anyway. There's no way NOT to > set up a user in Vista since the built-in Administrator account is > disabled, so you HAVE to set up one user. > > -- > Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] > * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ > * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups > * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ > * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message > news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation I >>would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without setting up >>a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my computer to >>boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro every morning >>(takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there for the Vista log >>in. I'm the only home user and won't need additional accounts. IOW, when >>you perform a Windows XP Pro install you can leave the log in ID and >>password blank and will not require the ID and Password to boot every >>time. Does Vista have this? >> > |
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Michael
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As you are upgrading (if I understand you correctly), if the upgrade finds
an account with administrator privileges that is not the default account then it will use that account name (and password if there is one). I do not know exactly how it words the request for an account if there is none already in the XP machine (my install was an OEM not an upgrade). Removing an account is a simple matter so accidently creating an extra account is no big deal. Vista has administrator users and standard users. My recommendation is that you create an administrator user account if one is not created for you during the upgrade. Do not use the built in administrator account whose name is Administrator as your normal account. 1 and 2 are part of the same. During an upgrade it will create account to match those in your XP. If at least one of those accounts has administrator type privileges (likely as that is the only way you could do anything useful in XP) then Vista will disable the built in administrator account named Administrator. If as I think I understand , you have never created an account on the XP and use the built in account on the XP I believe you will be given an opportunity to create an account. DO SO the account should be created as an administrator account at which time the built in administrator account named Administrator will be disabled. You have also received advise that you need not create an account/password. While I don't agree, you are confronted with the problem of free advice! - Is any of it worth the price. ![]() The point is that you should not run a system in which the only administrator account is the built in one named Administrator. Michael "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message news:uTHjsGj$... > Michael, > > So you are saying that I should ... > > 1. Make sure that I set up an Administrative Account with password? > > 2. Create an Administrator User? > > Is this Administrator User the same one that I'm asked to supply a User > Name and Password during the installation or do I do this after I complete > the install? > > > > "Michael" <> wrote in message > news:u1EOmAa$... >> Bob, >> >> Not having an administrative user (besides the default one ) is a really >> bad idea you WILL regret it but you can do it. >> Create an administrative account, give it a password, and make a password >> reset disk. Life will be a lot less interesting this way. >> >> You can set the system to automatically logon to a particular user (with >> or without password) on startup. >> You turn it on, it logs itself in and you are at the desktop of the >> specified user. >> >> I would recommend that you normally not turn off your Vista, instead put >> it to sleep or hibernate. These functions work much better than they did >> in XP. On my Vista home premium the time from Sleep -> usable is about 10 >> seconds (would be 4 seconds but my CRT monitor needs to warm up). >> >> Michael >> Vista home premium >> >> >> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation I >>>would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without setting up >>>a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my computer to >>>boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro every morning >>>(takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there for the Vista log >>>in. I'm the only home user and won't need additional accounts. IOW, >>>when you perform a Windows XP Pro install you can leave the log in ID and >>>password blank and will not require the ID and Password to boot every >>>time. Does Vista have this? >>> >> > > |
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Bob Petruska
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Michael,
Thanks for the reply. I was going to perfrom an upgrade, but found that the Vista Home Premium can't upgrade Win XP Pro. So I will be doing a clean install. I believe that you are then telling me to create a User Name and User Password on the initial install and then creat an Aministrator Name and Administrator Password later. Can both the User and Aministrator names and paswords be the same? Such as bobp for name, and pass123 for passwords in both accounts as an example. Tell me if I'm wrong. It yes to the above then is there a way to boot directly to the desktop without entering the User or Admin password? "Michael" <> wrote in message news:%23I88LZl$... > As you are upgrading (if I understand you correctly), if the upgrade finds > an account with administrator privileges that is not the default account > then it will use that account name (and password if there is one). I do > not know exactly how it words the request for an account if there is none > already in the XP machine (my install was an OEM not an upgrade). Removing > an account is a simple matter so accidently creating an extra account is > no big deal. > > Vista has administrator users and standard users. > My recommendation is that you create an administrator user account if one > is not created for you during the upgrade. > Do not use the built in administrator account whose name is Administrator > as your normal account. > > 1 and 2 are part of the same. > During an upgrade it will create account to match those in your XP. If at > least one of those accounts has administrator type privileges (likely as > that is the only way you could do anything useful in XP) then Vista will > disable the built in administrator account named Administrator. If as I > think I understand , you have never created an account on the XP and use > the built in account on the XP I believe you will be given an opportunity > to create an account. DO SO the account should be created as an > administrator account at which time the built in administrator account > named Administrator will be disabled. > > You have also received advise that you need not create an > account/password. While I don't agree, you are confronted with the problem > of free advice! - Is any of it worth the price. ![]() > > The point is that you should not run a system in which the only > administrator account is the built in one named Administrator. > > Michael > > > "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message > news:uTHjsGj$... >> Michael, >> >> So you are saying that I should ... >> >> 1. Make sure that I set up an Administrative Account with password? >> >> 2. Create an Administrator User? >> >> Is this Administrator User the same one that I'm asked to supply a User >> Name and Password during the installation or do I do this after I >> complete the install? >> >> >> >> "Michael" <> wrote in message >> news:u1EOmAa$... >>> Bob, >>> >>> Not having an administrative user (besides the default one ) is a really >>> bad idea you WILL regret it but you can do it. >>> Create an administrative account, give it a password, and make a >>> password reset disk. Life will be a lot less interesting this way. >>> >>> You can set the system to automatically logon to a particular user (with >>> or without password) on startup. >>> You turn it on, it logs itself in and you are at the desktop of the >>> specified user. >>> >>> I would recommend that you normally not turn off your Vista, instead put >>> it to sleep or hibernate. These functions work much better than they did >>> in XP. On my Vista home premium the time from Sleep -> usable is about >>> 10 seconds (would be 4 seconds but my CRT monitor needs to warm up). >>> >>> Michael >>> Vista home premium >>> >>> >>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation I >>>>would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without setting >>>>up a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my computer >>>>to boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro every >>>>morning (takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there for the >>>>Vista log in. I'm the only home user and won't need additional >>>>accounts. IOW, when you perform a Windows XP Pro install you can leave >>>>the log in ID and password blank and will not require the ID and >>>>Password to boot every time. Does Vista have this? >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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Michael
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Bob,
You only need to create one account/password. If asked be sure to say it is to be an administrator account (I am pretty sure that it simply defaults that way so no such question asked). The system will create folder at c:\users\account name so you can see that accounts cannot have the same name (they would overlap). Microsoft's recommendation is that after the installation is complete that you sign in as the new user, and from there create a new (different name) account as a 'standard' rather than an 'administrator' and that that standard account be used for most activities. I don't do that, I login as my administrator account name. Note that in Vista the differentiating label is 'administrator' and 'standard' , in XP those labels are 'Computer administrator' and 'Limited'. So you would create an account with a name, password, and type (of administrator or standard). The phrasing 'create a user account' and 'create an administrator account' is confusing at best. After you have everything set up you change 'how users login' you turn off 'require user name/password' and select the account and password to be used for the automatic login. Reboot and that account and password is now used to automatically login. I now mount my soapbox... I am a fan of Vista, I like it. I would NOT upgrade a box more than a year old with any version of XP to any version of Vista unless there was something that I had to run and it only ran in Vista. That is mostly a version of if it ain't broke don't fix it, but on an older box vista drivers for the hardware my be hard to get or unavailable, also Vista requires more hardware (esp memory) and speed to function as well as the XP did. Vista is nicer, more secure but not vastly better. Are you sure you really want to convert an XP pro box to Vista??? I now fall back off my soapbox. Michael "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message news:%23xHpFPm$... > Michael, > > Thanks for the reply. > > I was going to perfrom an upgrade, but found that the Vista Home Premium > can't upgrade Win XP Pro. So I will be doing a clean install. > > I believe that you are then telling me to create a User Name and User > Password on the initial install and then creat an Aministrator Name and > Administrator Password later. Can both the User and Aministrator names > and paswords be the same? Such as bobp for name, and pass123 for > passwords in both accounts as an example. > > Tell me if I'm wrong. > > It yes to the above then is there a way to boot directly to the desktop > without entering the User or Admin password? > > > "Michael" <> wrote in message > news:%23I88LZl$... >> As you are upgrading (if I understand you correctly), if the upgrade >> finds an account with administrator privileges that is not the default >> account then it will use that account name (and password if there is >> one). I do not know exactly how it words the request for an account if >> there is none already in the XP machine (my install was an OEM not an >> upgrade). Removing an account is a simple matter so accidently creating >> an extra account is no big deal. >> >> Vista has administrator users and standard users. >> My recommendation is that you create an administrator user account if one >> is not created for you during the upgrade. >> Do not use the built in administrator account whose name is Administrator >> as your normal account. >> >> 1 and 2 are part of the same. >> During an upgrade it will create account to match those in your XP. If at >> least one of those accounts has administrator type privileges (likely as >> that is the only way you could do anything useful in XP) then Vista will >> disable the built in administrator account named Administrator. If as I >> think I understand , you have never created an account on the XP and use >> the built in account on the XP I believe you will be given an opportunity >> to create an account. DO SO the account should be created as an >> administrator account at which time the built in administrator account >> named Administrator will be disabled. >> >> You have also received advise that you need not create an >> account/password. While I don't agree, you are confronted with the >> problem of free advice! - Is any of it worth the price. ![]() >> >> The point is that you should not run a system in which the only >> administrator account is the built in one named Administrator. >> >> Michael >> >> >> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >> news:uTHjsGj$... >>> Michael, >>> >>> So you are saying that I should ... >>> >>> 1. Make sure that I set up an Administrative Account with password? >>> >>> 2. Create an Administrator User? >>> >>> Is this Administrator User the same one that I'm asked to supply a User >>> Name and Password during the installation or do I do this after I >>> complete the install? >>> >>> >>> >>> "Michael" <> wrote in message >>> news:u1EOmAa$... >>>> Bob, >>>> >>>> Not having an administrative user (besides the default one ) is a >>>> really bad idea you WILL regret it but you can do it. >>>> Create an administrative account, give it a password, and make a >>>> password reset disk. Life will be a lot less interesting this way. >>>> >>>> You can set the system to automatically logon to a particular user >>>> (with or without password) on startup. >>>> You turn it on, it logs itself in and you are at the desktop of the >>>> specified user. >>>> >>>> I would recommend that you normally not turn off your Vista, instead >>>> put it to sleep or hibernate. These functions work much better than >>>> they did in XP. On my Vista home premium the time from Sleep -> usable >>>> is about 10 seconds (would be 4 seconds but my CRT monitor needs to >>>> warm up). >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> Vista home premium >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>>> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation >>>>>I would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without >>>>>setting up a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my >>>>>computer to boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro >>>>>every morning (takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there >>>>>for the Vista log in. I'm the only home user and won't need additional >>>>>accounts. IOW, when you perform a Windows XP Pro install you can leave >>>>>the log in ID and password blank and will not require the ID and >>>>>Password to boot every time. Does Vista have this? >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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Richard G. Harper
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Vista will set up the Administrator account no matter what you do. When you
create your first account (this will be the first thing you do after Vista is installed), enter a name and no password. That's it. Don't put a password on it and don't create any further accounts when done. -- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message news:ewDUXQj$... > Please explain that one user requirement? In XP if I set up a User Name > and Password during the XP install then on boot I always needed to type in > the password to contiue on to the desktop. If you leave the User Name and > Password blank during the XP install then you just boot right to the > desktop without the password input. > > Are you saying that I need to set up at least one Vista Administrator > account? Is that done during the Vista installation or later? If I do > set up an Admin account will I then be required to enter the password at > each boot to get to the desktop or will I only need to use the Admin > password when I'm doing Admin functions? > > > > "Richard G. Harper" <> wrote in message > news:09BE21B9-6CE1-4889-AE4A-... >> If you install Vista correctly, with only one user account, it should >> start up and go directly to your desktop anyway. There's no way NOT to >> set up a user in Vista since the built-in Administrator account is >> disabled, so you HAVE to set up one user. >> >> -- >> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] >> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ >> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups >> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ >> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation I >>>would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without setting up >>>a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my computer to >>>boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro every morning >>>(takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there for the Vista log >>>in. I'm the only home user and won't need additional accounts. IOW, >>>when you perform a Windows XP Pro install you can leave the log in ID and >>>password blank and will not require the ID and Password to boot every >>>time. Does Vista have this? >>> >> > > |
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Bob Petruska
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Michael,
Thanks again and you made it very clear. I don't think I will have any issues in doing what you stated and that's what I was looking for in account management and booting. Im keeping my XP Pro system active as my main system as I understand the Vista pitfalls of the drivers and such with older hardware. The XP system is fairly new with an Asus MB, 3200+ AMD cpu 1 GB ram, and 850 gig of hard drives. This system has been upgraded since DOS 3.2, with Win 95, 98 and XP Pro . Yes there are residuals of DOS and the other Window OS's on the HD. But it runs flawlessly and I have 50 to 60 applications, tweaks, patches, etc that I can't afford to give up. Soooooo..... I built another Asus MB system with an AMD 5200" X2 CPU, 2 GB memory, and 1T HD for Vista clean install. The Vista system will sit next to the XP system and I will run Vista everyday to tweak it and buy new hardware such as scanner, etc and look for drivers where missing for the next year or so until I get it to the level of performance where the XP system is. I have run the RC2 trial many months ago and didn't do much with it for less than a day as it didn't impress me. The major complaint was the fuzzy Vista fonts on my CRT monitor which I prefer in my daily work with photos. I understand that these fonts are optimized for LCD and not CRT and that the only way to improve the font resolution is to buy a LCD. I haven't found an LCD panel yet that gives the sharpness, resolution, color gamaut, black level and non-motion blur like my Sony CRT! Yes I will by an LCD for the Vista system but it won't be looked at very often. Bottom line, I'm just preparing for the eventual "must change to Vista" two or three years down the road to survive. Bob P. "Michael" <> wrote in message news:OdOzTwm$... > Bob, > > You only need to create one account/password. If asked be sure to say it > is to be an administrator account (I am pretty sure that it simply > defaults that way so no such question asked). > > The system will create folder at c:\users\account name so you can see that > accounts cannot have the same name (they would overlap). > > Microsoft's recommendation is that after the installation is complete that > you sign in as the new user, and from there create a new (different name) > account as a 'standard' rather than an 'administrator' and that that > standard account be used for most activities. I don't do that, I login as > my administrator account name. > > Note that in Vista the differentiating label is 'administrator' and > 'standard' , in XP those labels are 'Computer administrator' and > 'Limited'. > So you would create an account with a name, password, and type (of > administrator or standard). > The phrasing 'create a user account' and 'create an administrator account' > is confusing at best. > > After you have everything set up you change 'how users login' you turn off > 'require user name/password' and select the account and password to be > used for the automatic login. Reboot and that account and password is now > used to automatically login. > > I now mount my soapbox... > I am a fan of Vista, I like it. > I would NOT upgrade a box more than a year old with any version of XP to > any version of Vista unless there was something that I had to run and it > only ran in Vista. That is mostly a version of if it ain't broke don't fix > it, but on an older box vista drivers for the hardware my be hard to get > or unavailable, also Vista requires more hardware (esp memory) and speed > to function as well as the XP did. Vista is nicer, more secure but not > vastly better. > Are you sure you really want to convert an XP pro box to Vista??? > > I now fall back off my soapbox. > > Michael > > > "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message > news:%23xHpFPm$... >> Michael, >> >> Thanks for the reply. >> >> I was going to perfrom an upgrade, but found that the Vista Home Premium >> can't upgrade Win XP Pro. So I will be doing a clean install. >> >> I believe that you are then telling me to create a User Name and User >> Password on the initial install and then creat an Aministrator Name and >> Administrator Password later. Can both the User and Aministrator names >> and paswords be the same? Such as bobp for name, and pass123 for >> passwords in both accounts as an example. >> >> Tell me if I'm wrong. >> >> It yes to the above then is there a way to boot directly to the desktop >> without entering the User or Admin password? >> >> >> "Michael" <> wrote in message >> news:%23I88LZl$... >>> As you are upgrading (if I understand you correctly), if the upgrade >>> finds an account with administrator privileges that is not the default >>> account then it will use that account name (and password if there is >>> one). I do not know exactly how it words the request for an account if >>> there is none already in the XP machine (my install was an OEM not an >>> upgrade). Removing an account is a simple matter so accidently creating >>> an extra account is no big deal. >>> >>> Vista has administrator users and standard users. >>> My recommendation is that you create an administrator user account if >>> one is not created for you during the upgrade. >>> Do not use the built in administrator account whose name is >>> Administrator as your normal account. >>> >>> 1 and 2 are part of the same. >>> During an upgrade it will create account to match those in your XP. If >>> at least one of those accounts has administrator type privileges (likely >>> as that is the only way you could do anything useful in XP) then Vista >>> will disable the built in administrator account named Administrator. If >>> as I think I understand , you have never created an account on the XP >>> and use the built in account on the XP I believe you will be given an >>> opportunity to create an account. DO SO the account should be created as >>> an administrator account at which time the built in administrator >>> account named Administrator will be disabled. >>> >>> You have also received advise that you need not create an >>> account/password. While I don't agree, you are confronted with the >>> problem of free advice! - Is any of it worth the price. ![]() >>> >>> The point is that you should not run a system in which the only >>> administrator account is the built in one named Administrator. >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>> news:uTHjsGj$... >>>> Michael, >>>> >>>> So you are saying that I should ... >>>> >>>> 1. Make sure that I set up an Administrative Account with password? >>>> >>>> 2. Create an Administrator User? >>>> >>>> Is this Administrator User the same one that I'm asked to supply a User >>>> Name and Password during the installation or do I do this after I >>>> complete the install? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Michael" <> wrote in message >>>> news:u1EOmAa$... >>>>> Bob, >>>>> >>>>> Not having an administrative user (besides the default one ) is a >>>>> really bad idea you WILL regret it but you can do it. >>>>> Create an administrative account, give it a password, and make a >>>>> password reset disk. Life will be a lot less interesting this way. >>>>> >>>>> You can set the system to automatically logon to a particular user >>>>> (with or without password) on startup. >>>>> You turn it on, it logs itself in and you are at the desktop of the >>>>> specified user. >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend that you normally not turn off your Vista, instead >>>>> put it to sleep or hibernate. These functions work much better than >>>>> they did in XP. On my Vista home premium the time from Sleep -> usable >>>>> is about 10 seconds (would be 4 seconds but my CRT monitor needs to >>>>> warm up). >>>>> >>>>> Michael >>>>> Vista home premium >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>>>> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>>>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation >>>>>>I would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without >>>>>>setting up a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my >>>>>>computer to boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro >>>>>>every morning (takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there >>>>>>for the Vista log in. I'm the only home user and won't need >>>>>>additional accounts. IOW, when you perform a Windows XP Pro install >>>>>>you can leave the log in ID and password blank and will not require >>>>>>the ID and Password to boot every time. Does Vista have this? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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Bob Petruska
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Richard,
Thanks.....that clarifies my concerns and issues! Bob P. "Richard G. Harper" <> wrote in message news:4335A938-6A99-43F8-AE2E-... > Vista will set up the Administrator account no matter what you do. When > you create your first account (this will be the first thing you do after > Vista is installed), enter a name and no password. That's it. Don't put > a password on it and don't create any further accounts when done. > > -- > Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] > * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ > * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups > * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ > * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message > news:ewDUXQj$... >> Please explain that one user requirement? In XP if I set up a User Name >> and Password during the XP install then on boot I always needed to type >> in the password to contiue on to the desktop. If you leave the User Name >> and Password blank during the XP install then you just boot right to the >> desktop without the password input. >> >> Are you saying that I need to set up at least one Vista Administrator >> account? Is that done during the Vista installation or later? If I do >> set up an Admin account will I then be required to enter the password at >> each boot to get to the desktop or will I only need to use the Admin >> password when I'm doing Admin functions? >> >> >> >> "Richard G. Harper" <> wrote in message >> news:09BE21B9-6CE1-4889-AE4A-... >>> If you install Vista correctly, with only one user account, it should >>> start up and go directly to your desktop anyway. There's no way NOT to >>> set up a user in Vista since the built-in Administrator account is >>> disabled, so you HAVE to set up one user. >>> >>> -- >>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] >>> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ >>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups >>> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ >>> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >>> >>> >>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation I >>>>would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without setting >>>>up a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my computer >>>>to boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro every >>>>morning (takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there for the >>>>Vista log in. I'm the only home user and won't need additional >>>>accounts. IOW, when you perform a Windows XP Pro install you can leave >>>>the log in ID and password blank and will not require the ID and >>>>Password to boot every time. Does Vista have this? >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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Bob,
Your new machine should run fine with Vista. As far as the fuzzy display of fonts in Vista: In the released version that feature can be turned off or you can optomize it to your particular display. The optimization used depends on the pattern of the color dots which varies form crt to crt and from lcd to lcd. I find that if it is set correctly then there is an improvement even with my CRT. If set wrong it looks bad althogh I cannot exactly say how it is wrong. (the optimization shows a set of pictures and you select which one is 'better'). I also have two machines, an XP home laptop and a Vista desktop. A piece of advice: at least try using the Micorosft defaults on security and networking for a while. Some people have no trouble at all getting XP <-> Vista networking well, that was my experience. Others have had a terrible time. I suspect that those like me who pretty much accepted the defaults, made accounts of both machines with the SAME names AND passwords and did not immediatly go in bypassing the security setting are the ones having the good experience. Good Luck, Michael "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message news:eH3PEZy$... > Michael, > > Thanks again and you made it very clear. I don't think I will have any > issues in doing what you stated and that's what I was looking for in > account management and booting. > > Im keeping my XP Pro system active as my main system as I understand the > Vista pitfalls of the drivers and such with older hardware. The XP system > is fairly new with an Asus MB, 3200+ AMD cpu 1 GB ram, and 850 gig of > hard drives. This system has been upgraded since DOS 3.2, with Win 95, 98 > and XP Pro . Yes there are residuals of DOS and the other Window OS's on > the HD. But it runs flawlessly and I have 50 to 60 applications, tweaks, > patches, etc that I can't afford to give up. > > Soooooo..... > > I built another Asus MB system with an AMD 5200" X2 CPU, 2 GB memory, and > 1T HD for Vista clean install. The Vista system will sit next to the XP > system and I will run Vista everyday to tweak it and buy new hardware such > as scanner, etc and look for drivers where missing for the next year or so > until I get it to the level of performance where the XP system is. I have > run the RC2 trial many months ago and didn't do much with it for less than > a day as it didn't impress me. The major complaint was the fuzzy Vista > fonts on my CRT monitor which I prefer in my daily work with photos. I > understand that these fonts are optimized for LCD and not CRT and that the > only way to improve the font resolution is to buy a LCD. I haven't found > an LCD panel yet that gives the sharpness, resolution, color gamaut, > black level and non-motion blur like my Sony CRT! Yes I will by an LCD > for the Vista system but it won't be looked at very often. > > Bottom line, I'm just preparing for the eventual "must change to Vista" > two or three years down the road to survive. > > > > Bob P. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Michael" <> wrote in message > news:OdOzTwm$... >> Bob, >> >> You only need to create one account/password. If asked be sure to say it >> is to be an administrator account (I am pretty sure that it simply >> defaults that way so no such question asked). >> >> The system will create folder at c:\users\account name so you can see >> that accounts cannot have the same name (they would overlap). >> >> Microsoft's recommendation is that after the installation is complete >> that you sign in as the new user, and from there create a new (different >> name) account as a 'standard' rather than an 'administrator' and that >> that standard account be used for most activities. I don't do that, I >> login as my administrator account name. >> >> Note that in Vista the differentiating label is 'administrator' and >> 'standard' , in XP those labels are 'Computer administrator' and >> 'Limited'. >> So you would create an account with a name, password, and type (of >> administrator or standard). >> The phrasing 'create a user account' and 'create an administrator >> account' is confusing at best. >> >> After you have everything set up you change 'how users login' you turn >> off 'require user name/password' and select the account and password to >> be used for the automatic login. Reboot and that account and password is >> now used to automatically login. >> >> I now mount my soapbox... >> I am a fan of Vista, I like it. >> I would NOT upgrade a box more than a year old with any version of XP to >> any version of Vista unless there was something that I had to run and it >> only ran in Vista. That is mostly a version of if it ain't broke don't >> fix it, but on an older box vista drivers for the hardware my be hard to >> get or unavailable, also Vista requires more hardware (esp memory) and >> speed to function as well as the XP did. Vista is nicer, more secure but >> not vastly better. >> Are you sure you really want to convert an XP pro box to Vista??? >> >> I now fall back off my soapbox. >> >> Michael >> >> >> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >> news:%23xHpFPm$... >>> Michael, >>> >>> Thanks for the reply. >>> >>> I was going to perfrom an upgrade, but found that the Vista Home Premium >>> can't upgrade Win XP Pro. So I will be doing a clean install. >>> >>> I believe that you are then telling me to create a User Name and User >>> Password on the initial install and then creat an Aministrator Name and >>> Administrator Password later. Can both the User and Aministrator names >>> and paswords be the same? Such as bobp for name, and pass123 for >>> passwords in both accounts as an example. >>> >>> Tell me if I'm wrong. >>> >>> It yes to the above then is there a way to boot directly to the desktop >>> without entering the User or Admin password? >>> >>> >>> "Michael" <> wrote in message >>> news:%23I88LZl$... >>>> As you are upgrading (if I understand you correctly), if the upgrade >>>> finds an account with administrator privileges that is not the default >>>> account then it will use that account name (and password if there is >>>> one). I do not know exactly how it words the request for an account if >>>> there is none already in the XP machine (my install was an OEM not an >>>> upgrade). Removing an account is a simple matter so accidently creating >>>> an extra account is no big deal. >>>> >>>> Vista has administrator users and standard users. >>>> My recommendation is that you create an administrator user account if >>>> one is not created for you during the upgrade. >>>> Do not use the built in administrator account whose name is >>>> Administrator as your normal account. >>>> >>>> 1 and 2 are part of the same. >>>> During an upgrade it will create account to match those in your XP. If >>>> at least one of those accounts has administrator type privileges >>>> (likely as that is the only way you could do anything useful in XP) >>>> then Vista will disable the built in administrator account named >>>> Administrator. If as I think I understand , you have never created an >>>> account on the XP and use the built in account on the XP I believe you >>>> will be given an opportunity to create an account. DO SO the account >>>> should be created as an administrator account at which time the built >>>> in administrator account named Administrator will be disabled. >>>> >>>> You have also received advise that you need not create an >>>> account/password. While I don't agree, you are confronted with the >>>> problem of free advice! - Is any of it worth the price. ![]() >>>> >>>> The point is that you should not run a system in which the only >>>> administrator account is the built in one named Administrator. >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>>> news:uTHjsGj$... >>>>> Michael, >>>>> >>>>> So you are saying that I should ... >>>>> >>>>> 1. Make sure that I set up an Administrative Account with password? >>>>> >>>>> 2. Create an Administrator User? >>>>> >>>>> Is this Administrator User the same one that I'm asked to supply a >>>>> User Name and Password during the installation or do I do this after I >>>>> complete the install? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Michael" <> wrote in message >>>>> news:u1EOmAa$... >>>>>> Bob, >>>>>> >>>>>> Not having an administrative user (besides the default one ) is a >>>>>> really bad idea you WILL regret it but you can do it. >>>>>> Create an administrative account, give it a password, and make a >>>>>> password reset disk. Life will be a lot less interesting this way. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can set the system to automatically logon to a particular user >>>>>> (with or without password) on startup. >>>>>> You turn it on, it logs itself in and you are at the desktop of the >>>>>> specified user. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend that you normally not turn off your Vista, instead >>>>>> put it to sleep or hibernate. These functions work much better than >>>>>> they did in XP. On my Vista home premium the time from Sleep -> >>>>>> usable is about 10 seconds (would be 4 seconds but my CRT monitor >>>>>> needs to warm up). >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> Vista home premium >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>>>>> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>>>>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the >>>>>>>installation I would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista >>>>>>>without setting up a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to >>>>>>>turn on my computer to boot up while I'm away from it as I do in >>>>>>>Windows XP Pro every morning (takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish >>>>>>>to wait there for the Vista log in. I'm the only home user and won't >>>>>>>need additional accounts. IOW, when you perform a Windows XP Pro >>>>>>>install you can leave the log in ID and password blank and will not >>>>>>>require the ID and Password to boot every time. Does Vista have >>>>>>>this? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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-- Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message news:%23YjAAay$... > Richard, > > Thanks.....that clarifies my concerns and issues! > > Bob P. > "Richard G. Harper" <> wrote in message > news:4335A938-6A99-43F8-AE2E-... >> Vista will set up the Administrator account no matter what you do. When >> you create your first account (this will be the first thing you do after >> Vista is installed), enter a name and no password. That's it. Don't put >> a password on it and don't create any further accounts when done. >> >> -- >> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] >> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ >> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups >> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ >> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >> news:ewDUXQj$... >>> Please explain that one user requirement? In XP if I set up a User Name >>> and Password during the XP install then on boot I always needed to type >>> in the password to contiue on to the desktop. If you leave the User >>> Name and Password blank during the XP install then you just boot right >>> to the desktop without the password input. >>> >>> Are you saying that I need to set up at least one Vista Administrator >>> account? Is that done during the Vista installation or later? If I do >>> set up an Admin account will I then be required to enter the password at >>> each boot to get to the desktop or will I only need to use the Admin >>> password when I'm doing Admin functions? >>> >>> >>> >>> "Richard G. Harper" <> wrote in message >>> news:09BE21B9-6CE1-4889-AE4A-... >>>> If you install Vista correctly, with only one user account, it should >>>> start up and go directly to your desktop anyway. There's no way NOT to >>>> set up a user in Vista since the built-in Administrator account is >>>> disabled, so you HAVE to set up one user. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Richard G. Harper [MVP Shell/User] >>>> * NEW! Catch my blog ... http://msmvps.com/blogs/rgharper/ >>>> * PLEASE post all messages and replies in the newsgroups >>>> * The Website - http://rgharper.mvps.org/ >>>> * HELP us help YOU ... http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> "Bob Petruska" <> wrote in message >>>> news:%23LhaBMZ$... >>>>>I just bought Home Premium upgrade and before I start the installation >>>>>I would like to know if it is posssible to install Vista without >>>>>setting up a log in ID or password? Simply, I just wish to turn on my >>>>>computer to boot up while I'm away from it as I do in Windows XP Pro >>>>>every morning (takeds5 minutes to boot). I don't wish to wait there >>>>>for the Vista log in. I'm the only home user and won't need additional >>>>>accounts. IOW, when you perform a Windows XP Pro install you can leave >>>>>the log in ID and password blank and will not require the ID and >>>>>Password to boot every time. Does Vista have this? >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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