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Vista isn’t Me2, it’s Win95 + 12 years
Posted by Ed Bott @ 7:32 am

In certain circles, it’s become fashionable of late to refer to Windows
Vista as Windows Me2. It’s the second-worst insult you can hurl at a
Microsoft program (the worst is to compare it to Microsoft Bob, neatly
summarized as “7th place in PC World Magazine’s list of the 25 worst
products of all time and [named] worst product of the decade by
CNET.com” in 2005.).

Windows Vista is no Bob, as Steve Ballmer has said publicly, on the
record. But if you believe the comparison, Vista is heading down a path
roughly the same as Windows Millennium Edition (aka Windows Me).

Now, I’ve been present at the creation of every Windows version since
Windows 3.0 in 1990, and there’s no question that everything about
Windows Me was wrong. It was ill conceived, plagued with bugs and
performance problems, ridiculed in the press as a colossal failure, and
quickly abandoned.

So does Windows Vista deserve the Me2 label? After a careful look back
at my Windows history books, I see Vista heading down a different path.
In fact, I’m struck by how similar Vista’s path so far has been to the
one that Windows 95 traveled. Let’s review: Windows 95 was launched
with tremendous expectations on a tsunami of hype. It was notoriously
unstable and finicky, and for the first year or two there weren’t all
that many 32–bit programs. A total of four OEM service releases (in
1996 and 1997) added some interesting new features (like FAT32) but
didn’t deal with the significant underlying problems of the OS.

It wasn’t until three years after Windows 95’s launch, with Windows 98
(and Windows 98 Second Edition a year after that) that the stability,
performance, and interface problems were finally dealt with.

The similarities with Windows Vista are striking:


Unachievable levels of hype. The hype for Windows 95 was unprecedented,
finally leading to Windows boss Brad Silverberg’s award-winning entry
in the Tamping Down Expectations sweepstakes:

“”It’s just software,” says Silverberg. “It doesn’t cure cancer. It
doesn’t grow hair. It’s not a floor wax. It’s Windows.”

Windows Vista’s planners tried not to fall into the hype trap, but they
failed. When the grand, sweeping plans for what was then code-named
“Longhorn” were scaled back in 2004 (the great Longhorn reset), the
narrative of Vista failure was set in stone.

A very long and public beta. Windows 95 was in wide-scale beta releases
for nearly two years. Similarly, the first public beta release of
Windows Vista was released in July 2005, roughly 18 months before its
eventual final release. Having buggy, incomplete code in your users’
hands for that long guarantees disappointment in the final release.

Initial compatibility, performance, and stability problems. If you ever
tried to install a sound card or set up a network in Windows 95, you
knew the definition of great pain. Early Vista adopters are reporting
similar performance and compatibility problems, most of them traceable
to problems with buggy or incomplete drivers.

A beginning, not an end. Windows 95 marked the beginning of a new
development platform, one that didn’t truly hit its stride until
several years after its release. With its shift to 64–bit computing, a
new driver model, and a new kernel, Windows Vista is similarly at the
beginning of a cycle. By contrast, Windows Me was a stopgap release,
the end of the hybrid 16/32–bit era. Its successor, Windows XP, would
be released a year later. Microsoft wasn’t committed to developing it
and was only too happy to drop it in favor of the technically superior
XP platform.

If Windows Vista follows the path of Windows 95, it’s here to stay, and
here’s what you can expect:

Service Pack 1 won’t work miracles. Microsoft is right to dampen
expectations for SP1. Although it should fix some of the high-profile
problems being reported now, I predict you’ll read another wave of
disappointing reviews when SP1 arrives next year.

Businesses will continue to stay away from Vista in droves. They have a
perfectly acceptable alternative in Windows XP, and there’s little
upside in upgrading.

Expect a major update Vista update after three years. Between now and
2010, Microsoft has a chance to do for Vista what Windows 98 did for
Windows 95. The challenges? Polish the bundled releases into something
that looks more like an integrated suite. Improve reliability by making
it more difficult for buggy drivers and apps to get on the system,
perhaps by going all-64 bit and enforcing the requirement for signed
drivers. Fix User Account Control.

If history repeats itself, Microsoft will release its next Vista update
in 2009 or 2010, after a low-profile, secretive beta cycle, and it will
be greeted as finally delivering on the promise of what Vista should
have been all along.





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      06-28-2007
Hello!

"hello" <> wrote in message news:4684060a$0$16301$.. .
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=26


+1 = http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=261

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      06-28-2007
YAWN !

So you can cut and paste


"hello" <> wrote in message
news:4684060a$0$16301$.. .
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=26
>
>
> Vista isn't Me2, it's Win95 + 12 years
> Posted by Ed Bott @ 7:32 am
>
> In certain circles, it's become fashionable of late to refer to Windows
> Vista as Windows Me2. It's the second-worst insult you can hurl at a
> Microsoft program (the worst is to compare it to Microsoft Bob, neatly
> summarized as "7th place in PC World Magazine's list of the 25 worst
> products of all time and [named] worst product of the decade by
> CNET.com" in 2005.).
>
> Windows Vista is no Bob, as Steve Ballmer has said publicly, on the
> record. But if you believe the comparison, Vista is heading down a path
> roughly the same as Windows Millennium Edition (aka Windows Me).
>
> Now, I've been present at the creation of every Windows version since
> Windows 3.0 in 1990, and there's no question that everything about
> Windows Me was wrong. It was ill conceived, plagued with bugs and
> performance problems, ridiculed in the press as a colossal failure, and
> quickly abandoned.
>
> So does Windows Vista deserve the Me2 label? After a careful look back
> at my Windows history books, I see Vista heading down a different path.
> In fact, I'm struck by how similar Vista's path so far has been to the
> one that Windows 95 traveled. Let's review: Windows 95 was launched
> with tremendous expectations on a tsunami of hype. It was notoriously
> unstable and finicky, and for the first year or two there weren't all
> that many 32-bit programs. A total of four OEM service releases (in
> 1996 and 1997) added some interesting new features (like FAT32) but
> didn't deal with the significant underlying problems of the OS.
>
> It wasn't until three years after Windows 95's launch, with Windows 98
> (and Windows 98 Second Edition a year after that) that the stability,
> performance, and interface problems were finally dealt with.
>
> The similarities with Windows Vista are striking:
>
>
> Unachievable levels of hype. The hype for Windows 95 was unprecedented,
> finally leading to Windows boss Brad Silverberg's award-winning entry
> in the Tamping Down Expectations sweepstakes:
>
> ""It's just software," says Silverberg. "It doesn't cure cancer. It
> doesn't grow hair. It's not a floor wax. It's Windows."
>
> Windows Vista's planners tried not to fall into the hype trap, but they
> failed. When the grand, sweeping plans for what was then code-named
> "Longhorn" were scaled back in 2004 (the great Longhorn reset), the
> narrative of Vista failure was set in stone.
>
> A very long and public beta. Windows 95 was in wide-scale beta releases
> for nearly two years. Similarly, the first public beta release of
> Windows Vista was released in July 2005, roughly 18 months before its
> eventual final release. Having buggy, incomplete code in your users'
> hands for that long guarantees disappointment in the final release.
>
> Initial compatibility, performance, and stability problems. If you ever
> tried to install a sound card or set up a network in Windows 95, you
> knew the definition of great pain. Early Vista adopters are reporting
> similar performance and compatibility problems, most of them traceable
> to problems with buggy or incomplete drivers.
>
> A beginning, not an end. Windows 95 marked the beginning of a new
> development platform, one that didn't truly hit its stride until
> several years after its release. With its shift to 64-bit computing, a
> new driver model, and a new kernel, Windows Vista is similarly at the
> beginning of a cycle. By contrast, Windows Me was a stopgap release,
> the end of the hybrid 16/32-bit era. Its successor, Windows XP, would
> be released a year later. Microsoft wasn't committed to developing it
> and was only too happy to drop it in favor of the technically superior
> XP platform.
>
> If Windows Vista follows the path of Windows 95, it's here to stay, and
> here's what you can expect:
>
> Service Pack 1 won't work miracles. Microsoft is right to dampen
> expectations for SP1. Although it should fix some of the high-profile
> problems being reported now, I predict you'll read another wave of
> disappointing reviews when SP1 arrives next year.
>
> Businesses will continue to stay away from Vista in droves. They have a
> perfectly acceptable alternative in Windows XP, and there's little
> upside in upgrading.
>
> Expect a major update Vista update after three years. Between now and
> 2010, Microsoft has a chance to do for Vista what Windows 98 did for
> Windows 95. The challenges? Polish the bundled releases into something
> that looks more like an integrated suite. Improve reliability by making
> it more difficult for buggy drivers and apps to get on the system,
> perhaps by going all-64 bit and enforcing the requirement for signed
> drivers. Fix User Account Control.
>
> If history repeats itself, Microsoft will release its next Vista update
> in 2009 or 2010, after a low-profile, secretive beta cycle, and it will
> be greeted as finally delivering on the promise of what Vista should
> have been all along.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> --
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>



 
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      06-28-2007
Bill Yanaire wrote:

> YAWN !
>
> So you can cut and paste
>



are you really stupid or are you just trying really hard to persuade us
that you are?

News= newsgroups

News= content generated from various sources

get a life and stop winning, and if you dont like newsgroups read your
email.





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      06-28-2007
My two cents about the OS wars:
ME was not defective so much as a pointless upgrade from Win98.
The initial problems with Win95 had more to do with trying to run it on
hardware that just did not have enough horsepower--there were still many
386/486 boxes out there in 1995 with small hard drives and 4mbs or less RAM.
OS2 died in part because hardware of the day simply was not powerful enough.
Otherwise OS2 was technically ahead of the standalone DOS/Win3.x
competition.
Win95, for its time, was well designed and a massive improvement over
DOS/Win3.x. Just getting rid of the need for memory management programs (who
even remembers trying to deal with memory above and below 640 kbs?)
justified Win95.
If there had not been substantial upgrading of the hardware base between
1995 and 1998, generated by the desire to run Win95, then Win98 would not
have succeeded.
XP was, for its time and hardware base, well conceived and well executed and
remains the best OS ever issued by Microsoft.
If XP was a home run, Vista is a balk.
Vista has gargantuan flaws in design and execution that are unrelated to the
hardware base but reside in its code base.
Everything about Vista is just bad.
To mention just a few low points Vista is slow, is plagued by onerous and
non-beneficial security measures, incompatible with existing hardware and
software, unstable and difficult to network.
Even if Vista worked as advertised, and it does not come close to even being
usable by anyone who does more than word processing on a stand alone box,
there is still no compelling reason to upgrade from WinXP.
And having recently used Macs all I can say is only a lunatic or a major
Apple shareholder could convince themselves that the Apple OS is in any way,
shape or form superior to XP. There is no compelling reason for an XP user
to switch to a Mac, but if Microsof terminates XP support without fixing
Vista there will be no compelling reason to stay with Microsoft.


 
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hello wrote:


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I much prefer the MS hate venom as dished [sic] out by one MJF. She
likes to play my brand of hardball.
Ed's nothing more than a softball diatriber who obviously has problem's
setting up his own computer.
Who cares what he writes.
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      06-28-2007
I think you have it backwards. You are stupid and you are just showing
everyone that you are. I just commented that you can cut and paste. So can
hundreds of others. Posting news reports. Whoopie. If you have a problem
with Vista why don't you report it here?

Get a life and stop WHINING, but I'll continue to win. If you don't like it
you can just ignore it or put me in your killfile.


"hello" <> wrote in message
news:4684227f$0$24006$.. .
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>
>> YAWN !
>>
>> So you can cut and paste
>>

>
>
> are you really stupid or are you just trying really hard to persuade us
> that you are?
>
> News= newsgroups
>
> News= content generated from various sources
>
> get a life and stop winning, and if you dont like newsgroups read your
> email.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>



 
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      06-29-2007
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> My two cents about the OS wars:
> ME was not defective so much as a pointless upgrade from Win98.
> The initial problems with Win95 had more to do with trying to run it on
> hardware that just did not have enough horsepower--there were still many
> 386/486 boxes out there in 1995 with small hard drives and 4mbs or less
> RAM.
> OS2 died in part because hardware of the day simply was not powerful
> enough. Otherwise OS2 was technically ahead of the standalone DOS/Win3.x
> competition.
> Win95, for its time, was well designed and a massive improvement over
> DOS/Win3.x. Just getting rid of the need for memory management programs
> (who even remembers trying to deal with memory above and below 640 kbs?)
> justified Win95.
> If there had not been substantial upgrading of the hardware base between
> 1995 and 1998, generated by the desire to run Win95, then Win98 would not
> have succeeded.


So far so good. All of the above is true.

> XP was, for its time and hardware base, well conceived and well executed
> and remains the best OS ever issued by Microsoft.


Well, it was until Server 2003, anyways.

And XP certainly was NOT regarded as the "best OS ever issued by Microsoft"
at the time of it's release. It was ridiculed by the usual FUDsters as
"Windows 2000 with a Fischer-Price kiddie color scheme" or as "A pig with
lipstick". Windows 2000 was "the best OS ever issued by Microsoft".
People whined about the "draconian validation/activation/big brother is
watching" baloney. It was OK "once you reverted it back to Windows 2000
by turning off all of the eye candy". Sound familiar?

Now XP is the greatest OS in the world. How soon we forget.

> If XP was a home run, Vista is a balk.
> Vista has gargantuan flaws in design and execution that are unrelated to
> the hardware base but reside in its code base.


Such as?

> Everything about Vista is just bad.
> To mention just a few low points Vista is slow, is plagued by onerous and
> non-beneficial security measures, incompatible with existing hardware and
> software, unstable and difficult to network.


All of this is pure FUD. I'm running Vista right now on a 3 year old
laptop - a ThinkPad T41. This is a Pentium M 1.6 Ghz machine with a gig of
RAM and a paltry 32 megs ram ATI mobility 9000 video. It runs fine. It
runs better than XP on the same machine. I also have it on my DIY desktop
box - a P4 3 Ghz with 2 gig ram and 256MB ATI X800 video on an ASUS P4C800-E
(Intel 875 chipset) motherboard. Again, hardly state of the art, but Vista
absolutely flies on it. Way faster than XP, and silky smooth.

Saying Vista is "incompatible with existing hardware" is a flat out lie.

Seriously, we heard EVERY SINGLE ONE of your complaints when XP was
released. Somehow we all survived. Now everyone is all nostalgic and
teary-eyed because XP is nearing the end of it's life. Boo hoo. Vista
is much better in nearly every way.

Businesses will be slow to adopt Vista, but businesses are always slow to
adopt new OSes. Hell, XP didn't overtake 2000's installed base until mid
2004 - over 3 years after it's release!

To call Vista some kind of failure a mere 5 months after it's release is
absurd.

Mike




 
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"Mike" <> wrote in message
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> "babaloo" <> wrote in message
> news:X_Vgi.16244$ et...
>> My two cents about the OS wars:
>> ME was not defective so much as a pointless upgrade from Win98.
>> The initial problems with Win95 had more to do with trying to run it on
>> hardware that just did not have enough horsepower--there were still many
>> 386/486 boxes out there in 1995 with small hard drives and 4mbs or less
>> RAM.
>> OS2 died in part because hardware of the day simply was not powerful
>> enough. Otherwise OS2 was technically ahead of the standalone DOS/Win3.x
>> competition.
>> Win95, for its time, was well designed and a massive improvement over
>> DOS/Win3.x. Just getting rid of the need for memory management programs
>> (who even remembers trying to deal with memory above and below 640 kbs?)
>> justified Win95.
>> If there had not been substantial upgrading of the hardware base between
>> 1995 and 1998, generated by the desire to run Win95, then Win98 would not
>> have succeeded.

>
> So far so good. All of the above is true.
>
>> XP was, for its time and hardware base, well conceived and well executed
>> and remains the best OS ever issued by Microsoft.

>
> Well, it was until Server 2003, anyways.
>
> And XP certainly was NOT regarded as the "best OS ever issued by
> Microsoft" at the time of it's release. It was ridiculed by the usual
> FUDsters as "Windows 2000 with a Fischer-Price kiddie color scheme" or as
> "A pig with lipstick". Windows 2000 was "the best OS ever issued by
> Microsoft". People whined about the "draconian validation/activation/big
> brother is watching" baloney. It was OK "once you reverted it back to
> Windows 2000 by turning off all of the eye candy". Sound familiar?
>
> Now XP is the greatest OS in the world. How soon we forget.
>
>> If XP was a home run, Vista is a balk.
>> Vista has gargantuan flaws in design and execution that are unrelated to
>> the hardware base but reside in its code base.

>
> Such as?
>
>> Everything about Vista is just bad.
>> To mention just a few low points Vista is slow, is plagued by onerous and
>> non-beneficial security measures, incompatible with existing hardware and
>> software, unstable and difficult to network.

>
> All of this is pure FUD. I'm running Vista right now on a 3 year old
> laptop - a ThinkPad T41. This is a Pentium M 1.6 Ghz machine with a gig
> of RAM and a paltry 32 megs ram ATI mobility 9000 video. It runs fine.
> It runs better than XP on the same machine. I also have it on my DIY
> desktop box - a P4 3 Ghz with 2 gig ram and 256MB ATI X800 video on an
> ASUS P4C800-E (Intel 875 chipset) motherboard. Again, hardly state of
> the art, but Vista absolutely flies on it. Way faster than XP, and silky
> smooth.
>
> Saying Vista is "incompatible with existing hardware" is a flat out lie.
>
> Seriously, we heard EVERY SINGLE ONE of your complaints when XP was
> released. Somehow we all survived. Now everyone is all nostalgic and
> teary-eyed because XP is nearing the end of it's life. Boo hoo. Vista
> is much better in nearly every way.
>
> Businesses will be slow to adopt Vista, but businesses are always slow to
> adopt new OSes. Hell, XP didn't overtake 2000's installed base until mid
> 2004 - over 3 years after it's release!
>
> To call Vista some kind of failure a mere 5 months after it's release is
> absurd.
>
> Mike


I worked for a company that avoided upgrading from Windows 3.1 and NT to
Windows 2000. They finally got around to it, just about the time XP was
released. Smart.

About a year later, the company collapsed and got bought out. It wasn't only
the IT department that didn't have its head screwed on right.



 
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> I worked for a company that avoided upgrading from Windows 3.1 and NT to
> Windows 2000. They finally got around to it, just about the time XP was
> released. Smart.
>
> About a year later, the company collapsed and got bought out. It wasn't
> only the IT department that didn't have its head screwed on right.



Um, that's nice and all, but what does that have to do with anything?

Mike

 
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