Vista Japanese IME Problem

I have recently purchased an HP desktop with Vista Home Premium. I have
always configured and used Japanese IME with no problems on my XP machines.
However, I am having a very annoying problem with setting up IME with Vista.

Here's the problem: I am using a US, 101 key keyboard. I get IME set up in
Vista as per online Vista help. When I select to input japanese, my keyboard
has become a Japanese keyed keyboard. IE: shift-2 is now " instead of @ and
so on. I have never had this problem with XP. I have double checked my
settings but to no avail, it still thinks I have a Japanese keyboard and it's
driving me nuts. I have tried selecting US keyboard and Japanese IME when I
add Japanese but I still get this problem. If I select US keyboard without
Japanese IME, my keyboard is fine except I lose the ability to input Japanese
characters. I am so frustrated, I'm almost ready to format Vista off the
machine and replace it with XP.

With Vista, is it even possible anymore to use a US keyboard layout with
Japanese IME like XP?

I appreciate any help anyone can offer!

On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 22:32:00 -0700, Joshua wrote:

> I have recently purchased an HP desktop with Vista Home Premium. I have
> always configured and used Japanese IME with no problems on my XP machines.
> However, I am having a very annoying problem with setting up IME with Vista.
>
> Here's the problem: I am using a US, 101 key keyboard. I get IME set up in
> Vista as per online Vista help. When I select to input japanese, my keyboard
> has become a Japanese keyed keyboard. IE: shift-2 is now " instead of @ and
> so on. I have never had this problem with XP. I have double checked my
> settings but to no avail, it still thinks I have a Japanese keyboard and it's
> driving me nuts. I have tried selecting US keyboard and Japanese IME when I
> add Japanese but I still get this problem. If I select US keyboard without
> Japanese IME, my keyboard is fine except I lose the ability to input Japanese
> characters. I am so frustrated, I'm almost ready to format Vista off the
> machine and replace it with XP.

I've always had problems with IME under Windows under XP. Windows' support
for things like this, on a range of 1-10, 10 being pathetic and 1 being
**** poor, is somewhere around negative 1,000.

Apparently hasn't improved in Vista.

XP actually is giving me the problem that it randomly mis-recognizes my
Japanese keyboard and randomly gives it a US or Chinese layout. Once in a
while it will actually give it a Japanese layout.

My solution for stuff like this in the past, under XP, has been to actually
replace the keyboard driver .sys files with the right ones.

So basically if you are using a US Keyboard, try taking the US keyboard
..sys file, and replace the other layout that Vista is choosing with that
keyboard layout file.

That way, when Vista, dumber than a brick OS that it is, chooses the wrong
layout, it will still be right. This worked for me under XP.

So in your case, replace the japanese keyboard .sys file with the US .sys
file and things should be fine even with Vista choosing the wrong one.

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Thank you for the advice Stephen. It's sad that one has to move files around
like this to get this to work but I will give it a shot. Hopefully MS will
fix this in the future as I would hate to have to revert to XP on a machine
that came with Vista.


"Stephan Rose" wrote:

> I've always had problems with IME under Windows under XP. Windows' support
> for things like this, on a range of 1-10, 10 being pathetic and 1 being
> **** poor, is somewhere around negative 1,000.
>
> Apparently hasn't improved in Vista.
>
> XP actually is giving me the problem that it randomly mis-recognizes my
> Japanese keyboard and randomly gives it a US or Chinese layout. Once in a
> while it will actually give it a Japanese layout.
>
> My solution for stuff like this in the past, under XP, has been to actually
> replace the keyboard driver .sys files with the right ones.
>
> So basically if you are using a US Keyboard, try taking the US keyboard
> ..sys file, and replace the other layout that Vista is choosing with that
> keyboard layout file.
>
> That way, when Vista, dumber than a brick OS that it is, chooses the wrong
> layout, it will still be right. This worked for me under XP.
>
> So in your case, replace the japanese keyboard .sys file with the US .sys
> file and things should be fine even with Vista choosing the wrong one.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:42:03 -0700, Joshua wrote:

> Thank you for the advice Stephen. It's sad that one has to move files around
> like this to get this to work but I will give it a shot. Hopefully MS will
> fix this in the future as I would hate to have to revert to XP on a machine
> that came with Vista.

Seeing how they never fixed it in XP I honestly have my doubts they will
in Vista.

Partially among the reasons why I don't use Windows much anymore. I am
tired of jumping through hoops like the above to get an OS I am paying for
to work as it should. The OS I am using now supports Japanese IME
with my keyboard flawlessly without me needing to mess around with
anything.

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"Stephan Rose" wrote:
>
> Partially among the reasons why I don't use Windows much anymore. I am
> tired of jumping through hoops like the above to get an OS I am paying for
> to work as it should. The OS I am using now supports Japanese IME
> with my keyboard flawlessly without me needing to mess around with
> anything.
>
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Well Stephen, I gave it a try and it didn't work out so well. I found all
the keyboard layouts and made a backup of both Japanese and US files and then
renamed copies and tried to copy them back into the system32 folder. Nope,
Vista denies it. I tried just renaming the files in the system32 folder and
the same thing, Vista says NO.

I have 4 other machines in my home that run Japanese IME on XP just fine and
each one knows that their keyboard is NOT Japanese, except their new
retarded Vista brother.

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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:04:01 -0700, Joshua wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" wrote:
>>
>> Partially among the reasons why I don't use Windows much anymore. I am
>> tired of jumping through hoops like the above to get an OS I am paying for
>> to work as it should. The OS I am using now supports Japanese IME
>> with my keyboard flawlessly without me needing to mess around with
>> anything.
>>
>> マイクãƒ*ソフトã�¯ã�°ã�‹ã�§ã�™ã€‚
>
> Well Stephen, I gave it a try and it didn't work out so well. I found all
> the keyboard layouts and made a backup of both Japanese and US files and then
> renamed copies and tried to copy them back into the system32 folder. Nope,
> Vista denies it. I tried just renaming the files in the system32 folder and
> the same thing, Vista says NO.

What were you logged in as? You might want to try logging in as
administrator if you weren't and going it then.

Failing that the last suggestion I would have is to see if you can't
somehow gain permission to modify the files. Though since I personally
don't run Vista, I use Ubuntu instead, can't really give you too many
details there. =(

>
> I have 4 other machines in my home that run Japanese IME on XP just fine and
> each one knows that their keyboard is NOT Japanese, except their new
> retarded Vista brother.

And you're lucky that you are, I am assuming anyway, using US Keyboards
with those XP Installations. Try doing it with non-US keyboards. XP
blatantly assumes the connected keyboard to be US unless you mess with the
driver files. I used to use German keyboards and the only way I was able
to get it to work was by switching the driver files.

And now with my Japanese keyboards, like I said, half the time it
doesn't even recognize those correctly.... this actually happens on two
separate computers with two separate keyboards. And you wanna know the
funniest part? Both keyboards are made by Microsoft...

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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:25:43 -0500, Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:04:01 -0700, Joshua wrote:
>
>> "Stephan Rose" wrote:
>>>
>>> Partially among the reasons why I don't use Windows much anymore. I am
>>> tired of jumping through hoops like the above to get an OS I am paying for
>>> to work as it should. The OS I am using now supports Japanese IME
>>> with my keyboard flawlessly without me needing to mess around with
>>> anything.
>>>
>>> マイクãƒ*ソフトã�¯ã�°ã�‹ã�§ã�™ã€‚
>>
>> Well Stephen, I gave it a try and it didn't work out so well. I found all
>> the keyboard layouts and made a backup of both Japanese and US files and then
>> renamed copies and tried to copy them back into the system32 folder. Nope,
>> Vista denies it. I tried just renaming the files in the system32 folder and
>> the same thing, Vista says NO.
>
> What were you logged in as? You might want to try logging in as
> administrator if you weren't and going it then.
>

err...going = "trying" =)

No clue how I ended up typing going! =)



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