VISTA is like BIG BROTHER!

Vista is like an arrogant big brother, while XP is more like a best friend.

What I'm alluding to is the fact that Vista arrogantly forces you to use the
OS it's way. Vista thinks that it alone knows best and restricts the changes
you can make. XP on the other hand allows you to set up the OS just how you
like it.

Examples:

XP: In the "My Documents" folder I have many custom folders besides the
preset MS ones and I'm able to change the file location of the entire "My
Documents" so that it points to a separate hard drive.

VISTA: In the "Documents" folder Vista only allows me to change the file
location of the individual preset MS folders such as "Music". My thirty-five
custom folders, some of which are very large, are forced to reside on the C
drive. I don't want bury my folders away in Vista's neato preset folders.
Vista won't let me do things my way so it doesn't feel like a friendly OS
the way XP does. Vista annoys the way big brothers do!

I have a similar issue with IE6 vs. IE7. IE6 allows me to squeeze the
settings I want into as few tool bars as possible leaving more space for the
web page. IE7 like Vista arrogantly forces me to use the app it's way only.
I like to use things like the "Links" folder which must have a whole toolbar
row to it's self under IE7. I'm left with two inches of tool bars for little
additional functionality.

IE7 should have offered additional flexibility not less. For example: more
people have widescreen monitors, IE7 should have allowed the toolbars to run
down the side of the window if the user so wished.

I assume that less flexibility also means less chance that less advanced
used will screw their system up. My fear is that future generations of
Windows and other MS apps will become more and more prescriptive and less
and less flexible to power users.

How about the option to run the next Windows OS and IE8 in either default
mode or advanced mode with the ability to easily switch between the two.
Many apps such as Nero already do this. Perhaps it's time for MS to realise
that one size no longer fits all.

Two modes of operation would allow the Windows OS to be more fully developed
for the two types of user. Users who want the OS to be as simple and easy to
use as possible and power users who would make good use of more flexible
settings.

If you read this far, thanks. Comments welcome.
Derek B

Fortunately you're not currently sent to Room 101 for attempts to tweak the
operating system. This feature may however be included in a future version
of Windows.


Singing "War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength."......


--
Jon




"Dek" <> wrote in message
news:yVVdj.9$...
> Vista is like an arrogant big brother, while XP is more like a best
> friend.
>
> What I'm alluding to is the fact that Vista arrogantly forces you to use
> the OS it's way. Vista thinks that it alone knows best and restricts the
> changes you can make. XP on the other hand allows you to set up the OS
> just how you like it.
>
> Examples:
>
> XP: In the "My Documents" folder I have many custom folders besides the
> preset MS ones and I'm able to change the file location of the entire "My
> Documents" so that it points to a separate hard drive.
>
> VISTA: In the "Documents" folder Vista only allows me to change the file
> location of the individual preset MS folders such as "Music". My
> thirty-five custom folders, some of which are very large, are forced to
> reside on the C drive. I don't want bury my folders away in Vista's neato
> preset folders. Vista won't let me do things my way so it doesn't feel
> like a friendly OS the way XP does. Vista annoys the way big brothers do!
>
> I have a similar issue with IE6 vs. IE7. IE6 allows me to squeeze the
> settings I want into as few tool bars as possible leaving more space for
> the web page. IE7 like Vista arrogantly forces me to use the app it's way
> only. I like to use things like the "Links" folder which must have a whole
> toolbar row to it's self under IE7. I'm left with two inches of tool bars
> for little additional functionality.
>
> IE7 should have offered additional flexibility not less. For example: more
> people have widescreen monitors, IE7 should have allowed the toolbars to
> run down the side of the window if the user so wished.
>
> I assume that less flexibility also means less chance that less advanced
> used will screw their system up. My fear is that future generations of
> Windows and other MS apps will become more and more prescriptive and less
> and less flexible to power users.
>
> How about the option to run the next Windows OS and IE8 in either default
> mode or advanced mode with the ability to easily switch between the two.
> Many apps such as Nero already do this. Perhaps it's time for MS to
> realise that one size no longer fits all.
>
> Two modes of operation would allow the Windows OS to be more fully
> developed for the two types of user. Users who want the OS to be as simple
> and easy to use as possible and power users who would make good use of
> more flexible settings.
>
> If you read this far, thanks. Comments welcome.
> Derek B
>
>

Unless you have done something to your file structure 'Music' is not
supposed to be in 'Documents' it is alongside it. Also in my Vista Home
Premium I can change the location of 'Documents' to wherever I want with the
'location' tab.

Michael


"Dek" <> wrote in message
news:yVVdj.9$...
> Vista is like an arrogant big brother, while XP is more like a best
> friend.
>
> What I'm alluding to is the fact that Vista arrogantly forces you to use
> the OS it's way. Vista thinks that it alone knows best and restricts the
> changes you can make. XP on the other hand allows you to set up the OS
> just how you like it.
>
> Examples:
>
> XP: In the "My Documents" folder I have many custom folders besides the
> preset MS ones and I'm able to change the file location of the entire "My
> Documents" so that it points to a separate hard drive.
>
> VISTA: In the "Documents" folder Vista only allows me to change the file
> location of the individual preset MS folders such as "Music". My
> thirty-five custom folders, some of which are very large, are forced to
> reside on the C drive. I don't want bury my folders away in Vista's neato
> preset folders. Vista won't let me do things my way so it doesn't feel
> like a friendly OS the way XP does. Vista annoys the way big brothers do!
>
> I have a similar issue with IE6 vs. IE7. IE6 allows me to squeeze the
> settings I want into as few tool bars as possible leaving more space for
> the web page. IE7 like Vista arrogantly forces me to use the app it's way
> only. I like to use things like the "Links" folder which must have a whole
> toolbar row to it's self under IE7. I'm left with two inches of tool bars
> for little additional functionality.
>
> IE7 should have offered additional flexibility not less. For example: more
> people have widescreen monitors, IE7 should have allowed the toolbars to
> run down the side of the window if the user so wished.
>
> I assume that less flexibility also means less chance that less advanced
> used will screw their system up. My fear is that future generations of
> Windows and other MS apps will become more and more prescriptive and less
> and less flexible to power users.
>
> How about the option to run the next Windows OS and IE8 in either default
> mode or advanced mode with the ability to easily switch between the two.
> Many apps such as Nero already do this. Perhaps it's time for MS to
> realise that one size no longer fits all.
>
> Two modes of operation would allow the Windows OS to be more fully
> developed for the two types of user. Users who want the OS to be as simple
> and easy to use as possible and power users who would make good use of
> more flexible settings.
>
> If you read this far, thanks. Comments welcome.
> Derek B
>
>

On Dec 30, 5:33 pm, "Dek" <qwert...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Vista is like an arrogant big brother, while XP is more like a best friend.
>

I'm feeling the same love (eh... hate) for this OS, lol... I had two
close friends who took the blue pill and bought a Mac last summer and
they have both been trying to get me to cross over and sadly I'm
wishing I had. I'm such a penny pincher I have tried to avoid Mac's
but some things are worth paying for. As an engineer my perspective is
that Microsoft has just really made some very poor design choices with
Vista. It's as if they didn't quite know where to go and ended up
giving us

* A "pretty" new UI that often does more harm than good
* An improved security model that does good, but from a users
perspective is often restrictive and intrusive
* Improved driver stability model at the cost again of restricting the
user in terms of breaking compatibility with XP devices

It seems most of Vista's "improvements" come at some cost to the user
and that's really unacceptable. Microsoft should have known better in
my opnion and I think the result is more people are just going to stay
away from it, the path forward is obviously not with a Microsoft
branded OS at this point. Vista won't be the first Microsoft OS to get
criticism (anyone remember Windows ME?) they need to kill Vista
quickly and come out with whatever is next... Vista won't tank
Microsoft, but there is this line being drawn with computers, similar
to what happened with the auto-industry.... I think Microsoft's Vista
Home Basic is more like the Ford Focus or Honda Civic, the premium
Vista 32-bit is perhaps like a decked out Toyota Corolla, but the
competition (Apple) is offering the Lexus, BMW of computers.

I've spent almost two days trying to troubleshoot what should be a
simple brightness control issue. It's an issue not effected by Windows
XP Pro, do I blame Microsoft's engineers, you bet Is this painful
experience going to influence my decision next time to maybe pay $800
more and get that Mac instead of a PC, absolutely! I think a lot of
people will find themselves on the same boat. Apple should send
Microsoft money for putting Vista out because the headaches it's
causing are making me consider boxing everything back up, sucking up
the restocking fees and buying a Mac and never looking back. If I
don't do that, I can only blame myself. A better product is out there,
I just choice the lesser, I made the choice to go with a Vista PC so
it's mine to regret.

Not everyone will have problems with Vista out of the box, I changed
out a graphics card immediately so I was thrown right in, some may not
experience a compatibility issue for months down the road, but
eventually I bet they will have a minor or major regret with this OS,
that would fine, no OS is perfect, but the problem I have with Vista
is there doesn't seem to be ANY advantage to having it, except for the
for mentioned security enhancements and for most I think XP's security
model is good enough.

I guess I meant the folder that Music and Documents is in!
I only had a friends Vista laptop to play with for a few days before xmas.

Derek


"Michael Walraven" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Unless you have done something to your file structure 'Music' is not
> supposed to be in 'Documents' it is alongside it. Also in my Vista Home
> Premium I can change the location of 'Documents' to wherever I want with
> the 'location' tab.
>
> Michael
>

The Mac OS does feel very well designed. I don't think I'd even suggest that
Macs need an option for power users as I did for Vista. The better something
works the less it needs to be tweaked.

I'm a gamer so I need DX9. I haven't upgraded to Vista on my personal system
yet and so far DX10 isn't enough to tempt me to put up with Vista . Also I
enjoy building my own systems which isn't really an option with the Mac.

Yes I do remember ME, that OS taught me so much about troubleshooting PCs!
Thankfully I could forget it all again when XP came out.

XP, it's the OS you can upgrade to(from ME) or downgrade to(from Vista) and
it will always leave you feeling happier.

Derek


"RMZ" <> wrote in message
news:28e5891f-8807-406c-ad09-...
> On Dec 30, 5:33 pm, "Dek" <qwert...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Vista is like an arrogant big brother, while XP is more like a best
>> friend.
>>
>
> I'm feeling the same love (eh... hate) for this OS, lol... I had two
> close friends who took the blue pill and bought a Mac last summer and
> they have both been trying to get me to cross over and sadly I'm
> wishing I had. I'm such a penny pincher I have tried to avoid Mac's
> but some things are worth paying for. As an engineer my perspective is
> that Microsoft has just really made some very poor design choices with
> Vista. It's as if they didn't quite know where to go and ended up
> giving us
>
> * A "pretty" new UI that often does more harm than good
> * An improved security model that does good, but from a users
> perspective is often restrictive and intrusive
> * Improved driver stability model at the cost again of restricting the
> user in terms of breaking compatibility with XP devices
>
> It seems most of Vista's "improvements" come at some cost to the user
> and that's really unacceptable. Microsoft should have known better in
> my opnion and I think the result is more people are just going to stay
> away from it, the path forward is obviously not with a Microsoft
> branded OS at this point. Vista won't be the first Microsoft OS to get
> criticism (anyone remember Windows ME?) they need to kill Vista
> quickly and come out with whatever is next... Vista won't tank
> Microsoft, but there is this line being drawn with computers, similar
> to what happened with the auto-industry.... I think Microsoft's Vista
> Home Basic is more like the Ford Focus or Honda Civic, the premium
> Vista 32-bit is perhaps like a decked out Toyota Corolla, but the
> competition (Apple) is offering the Lexus, BMW of computers.
>
> I've spent almost two days trying to troubleshoot what should be a
> simple brightness control issue. It's an issue not effected by Windows
> XP Pro, do I blame Microsoft's engineers, you bet Is this painful
> experience going to influence my decision next time to maybe pay $800
> more and get that Mac instead of a PC, absolutely! I think a lot of
> people will find themselves on the same boat. Apple should send
> Microsoft money for putting Vista out because the headaches it's
> causing are making me consider boxing everything back up, sucking up
> the restocking fees and buying a Mac and never looking back. If I
> don't do that, I can only blame myself. A better product is out there,
> I just choice the lesser, I made the choice to go with a Vista PC so
> it's mine to regret.
>
> Not everyone will have problems with Vista out of the box, I changed
> out a graphics card immediately so I was thrown right in, some may not
> experience a compatibility issue for months down the road, but
> eventually I bet they will have a minor or major regret with this OS,
> that would fine, no OS is perfect, but the problem I have with Vista
> is there doesn't seem to be ANY advantage to having it, except for the
> for mentioned security enhancements and for most I think XP's security
> model is good enough.
>

"Dek" <> wrote in message
news:yVVdj.9$...
> Vista is like an arrogant big brother, while XP is more like a best
> friend.
>
> What I'm alluding to is the fact that Vista arrogantly forces you to use
> the OS it's way. Vista thinks that it alone knows best and restricts the
> changes you can make. XP on the other hand allows you to set up the OS
> just how you like it.
>
> Examples:
>
> XP: In the "My Documents" folder I have many custom folders besides the
> preset MS ones and I'm able to change the file location of the entire "My
> Documents" so that it points to a separate hard drive.

I can do the same with Vista. I have the Documents folder on a separate
drive
from the OS install. It's done the same way as in XP except you have to
open the
folder named with your username first. The Documents folder is in there.

Tom Lake

OK, so judging from the responses, your comment about Vista itself was
wrong. You made a statement based on using a friend's Vista laptop for "a
few days," right?

So the only remaining complaint of yours is about IE7, which works on both
the Vista and XP platforms.

So... Don't you feel kind of silly now?



"Dek" <> wrote in message
news:yVVdj.9$...
> Vista is like an arrogant big brother, while XP is more like a best
> friend.
>
> What I'm alluding to is the fact that Vista arrogantly forces you to use
> the OS it's way. Vista thinks that it alone knows best and restricts the
> changes you can make. XP on the other hand allows you to set up the OS
> just how you like it.
>
> Examples:
>
> XP: In the "My Documents" folder I have many custom folders besides the
> preset MS ones and I'm able to change the file location of the entire "My
> Documents" so that it points to a separate hard drive.
>
> VISTA: In the "Documents" folder Vista only allows me to change the file
> location of the individual preset MS folders such as "Music". My
> thirty-five custom folders, some of which are very large, are forced to
> reside on the C drive. I don't want bury my folders away in Vista's neato
> preset folders. Vista won't let me do things my way so it doesn't feel
> like a friendly OS the way XP does. Vista annoys the way big brothers do!
>
> I have a similar issue with IE6 vs. IE7. IE6 allows me to squeeze the
> settings I want into as few tool bars as possible leaving more space for
> the web page. IE7 like Vista arrogantly forces me to use the app it's way
> only. I like to use things like the "Links" folder which must have a whole
> toolbar row to it's self under IE7. I'm left with two inches of tool bars
> for little additional functionality.
>
> IE7 should have offered additional flexibility not less. For example: more
> people have widescreen monitors, IE7 should have allowed the toolbars to
> run down the side of the window if the user so wished.
>
> I assume that less flexibility also means less chance that less advanced
> used will screw their system up. My fear is that future generations of
> Windows and other MS apps will become more and more prescriptive and less
> and less flexible to power users.
>
> How about the option to run the next Windows OS and IE8 in either default
> mode or advanced mode with the ability to easily switch between the two.
> Many apps such as Nero already do this. Perhaps it's time for MS to
> realise that one size no longer fits all.
>
> Two modes of operation would allow the Windows OS to be more fully
> developed for the two types of user. Users who want the OS to be as simple
> and easy to use as possible and power users who would make good use of
> more flexible settings.
>
> If you read this far, thanks. Comments welcome.
> Derek B
>
>

"DP" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> OK, so judging from the responses, your comment about Vista itself was
> wrong. You made a statement based on using a friend's Vista laptop for "a
> few days," right?
>
> So the only remaining complaint of yours is about IE7, which works on both
> the Vista and XP platforms.
>
> So... Don't you feel kind of silly now?
>

MEANWHILE.......
I just checked IE7 under Vista, and it allowed me to move the links row onto
another toolbar. In other words, it "shared" the toolbar with another one.
I'm not sure how you determined that it doesn't work that way. Are you sure
you right-clicked and unchecked the "lock toolbars" option?


>>
>> I have a similar issue with IE6 vs. IE7. IE6 allows me to squeeze the
>> settings I want into as few tool bars as possible leaving more space for
>> the web page. IE7 like Vista arrogantly forces me to use the app it's way
>> only. I like to use things like the "Links" folder which must have a
>> whole toolbar row to it's self under IE7. I'm left with two inches of
>> tool bars for little additional functionality.
>>
>> IE7 should have offered additional flexibility not less. For example:
>> more people have widescreen monitors, IE7 should have allowed the
>> toolbars to run down the side of the window if the user so wished.
>>
>> I assume that less flexibility also means less chance that less advanced
>> used will screw their system up. My fear is that future generations of
>> Windows and other MS apps will become more and more prescriptive and less
>> and less flexible to power users.
>>
>> How about the option to run the next Windows OS and IE8 in either default
>> mode or advanced mode with the ability to easily switch between the two.
>> Many apps such as Nero already do this. Perhaps it's time for MS to
>> realise that one size no longer fits all.
>>
>> Two modes of operation would allow the Windows OS to be more fully
>> developed for the two types of user. Users who want the OS to be as
>> simple and easy to use as possible and power users who would make good
>> use of more flexible settings.
>>
>> If you read this far, thanks. Comments welcome.
>> Derek B
>>
>>
>

So you are tell us that you wrote a post condemning Vista after just a few
days experience?

Go away.

"Derek" <> wrote in message
news:QTWdj.754$...
> I guess I meant the folder that Music and Documents is in!
> I only had a friends Vista laptop to play with for a few days before xmas.
>
> Derek
>
>
> "Michael Walraven" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Unless you have done something to your file structure 'Music' is not
>> supposed to be in 'Documents' it is alongside it. Also in my Vista Home
>> Premium I can change the location of 'Documents' to wherever I want with
>> the 'location' tab.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
>