Vista Looking for credentials while joing W2K3 domain controller

I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista Business and
when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while "looking for
credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server username and
passowrd to join a domain.

I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next one was
another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem. I went on
to join other XPP PCs as well.

So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything but one PC
works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see if there's
some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the problem PC is a
new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded. And Office
2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh install of
Vista Business.

Anyone with an idea?

Thanks
--Boyd

"Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
> I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista Business and
> when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while "looking for
> credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server username
> and
> passowrd to join a domain.
>
> I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next one was
> another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem. I went
> on
> to join other XPP PCs as well.
>
> So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything but one
> PC
> works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see if
> there's
> some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the problem PC is
> a
> new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded. And
> Office
> 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh install
> of
> Vista Business.
>
> Anyone with an idea?
>
> Thanks
> --Boyd


Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that worked to
the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in the TCP/IP
properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being joined.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options provide the setup
of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the same IPConfig
/all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for credentials" PC is
not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network location was
no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this say to me that
either dns or Wins is working just fine.

Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique than XP to
join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
--
--Boyd


"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista Business and
> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while "looking for
> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server username
> > and
> > passowrd to join a domain.
> >
> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next one was
> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem. I went
> > on
> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
> >
> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything but one
> > PC
> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see if
> > there's
> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the problem PC is
> > a
> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded. And
> > Office
> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh install
> > of
> > Vista Business.
> >
> > Anyone with an idea?
> >
> > Thanks
> > --Boyd
>
>
> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that worked to
> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in the TCP/IP
> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being joined.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>

You have to figure out what is different on that PC from the other Vista
business computer that joined the domain OK. My guess would be a third party
firewall. Note that some AV apps disable the Windows firewall and substitute
their own. As far as I know there are no different requirements on the
server to join Vista to a domain. Use nslookup to confirm that DNS is
working. Failure to join a domain is almost always a DNS problem somewhere.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
news:5F8AFB3E-3D01-4F17-8B7B-...
> Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options provide the
> setup
> of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the same
> IPConfig
> /all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for credentials" PC
> is
> not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network location
> was
> no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this say to me
> that
> either dns or Wins is working just fine.
>
> Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique than XP to
> join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
> --
> --Boyd
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>
>> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
>> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
>> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista Business
>> > and
>> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while "looking for
>> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server username
>> > and
>> > passowrd to join a domain.
>> >
>> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next one was
>> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem. I
>> > went
>> > on
>> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
>> >
>> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything but
>> > one
>> > PC
>> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see if
>> > there's
>> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the problem PC
>> > is
>> > a
>> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded. And
>> > Office
>> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh
>> > install
>> > of
>> > Vista Business.
>> >
>> > Anyone with an idea?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > --Boyd
>>
>>
>> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that worked
>> to
>> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in the
>> TCP/IP
>> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being joined.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>

given this is a new pc with not much on it but the os i decided to replace
everything with a fresh vista install. so the pc has nothing but vista on it
right now. i tried the domain join via system
properties/computername/change... and that again gave me the looking for
credential. cancellin this after 5 mins hangs the system properties task and
task manager has to be used to kill it. i then tried system
properties/computername/network id wizard. This worked well (with extra
steps over how its works in XP... Vista annoyance).

So as it stands, the "Change..." doesn't work in Vista but "Network Id" does.

onwards...

thanks for input

--Boyd


"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> You have to figure out what is different on that PC from the other Vista
> business computer that joined the domain OK. My guess would be a third party
> firewall. Note that some AV apps disable the Windows firewall and substitute
> their own. As far as I know there are no different requirements on the
> server to join Vista to a domain. Use nslookup to confirm that DNS is
> working. Failure to join a domain is almost always a DNS problem somewhere.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> news:5F8AFB3E-3D01-4F17-8B7B-...
> > Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options provide the
> > setup
> > of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the same
> > IPConfig
> > /all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for credentials" PC
> > is
> > not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network location
> > was
> > no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this say to me
> > that
> > either dns or Wins is working just fine.
> >
> > Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique than XP to
> > join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
> > --
> > --Boyd
> >
> >
> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> >
> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> >> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
> >> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista Business
> >> > and
> >> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while "looking for
> >> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server username
> >> > and
> >> > passowrd to join a domain.
> >> >
> >> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next one was
> >> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem. I
> >> > went
> >> > on
> >> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
> >> >
> >> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything but
> >> > one
> >> > PC
> >> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see if
> >> > there's
> >> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the problem PC
> >> > is
> >> > a
> >> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded. And
> >> > Office
> >> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh
> >> > install
> >> > of
> >> > Vista Business.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone with an idea?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > --Boyd
> >>
> >>
> >> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that worked
> >> to
> >> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in the
> >> TCP/IP
> >> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being joined.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kerry Brown
> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
> >>
> >>
>

That's weird. I've tried joining a domain both ways and both worked. Were
you using the NETBIOS domain name or the FQDN? I didn't think of it until
now but I usually use mydomain.lan rather than just mydomain when joining a
domain.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
news:C28A40A8-84BF-4874-AA1D-...
> given this is a new pc with not much on it but the os i decided to replace
> everything with a fresh vista install. so the pc has nothing but vista on
> it
> right now. i tried the domain join via system
> properties/computername/change... and that again gave me the looking for
> credential. cancellin this after 5 mins hangs the system properties task
> and
> task manager has to be used to kill it. i then tried system
> properties/computername/network id wizard. This worked well (with extra
> steps over how its works in XP... Vista annoyance).
>
> So as it stands, the "Change..." doesn't work in Vista but "Network Id"
> does.
>
> onwards...
>
> thanks for input
>
> --Boyd
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>
>> You have to figure out what is different on that PC from the other Vista
>> business computer that joined the domain OK. My guess would be a third
>> party
>> firewall. Note that some AV apps disable the Windows firewall and
>> substitute
>> their own. As far as I know there are no different requirements on the
>> server to join Vista to a domain. Use nslookup to confirm that DNS is
>> working. Failure to join a domain is almost always a DNS problem
>> somewhere.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
>> news:5F8AFB3E-3D01-4F17-8B7B-...
>> > Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options provide the
>> > setup
>> > of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the same
>> > IPConfig
>> > /all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for credentials"
>> > PC
>> > is
>> > not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network
>> > location
>> > was
>> > no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this say to
>> > me
>> > that
>> > either dns or Wins is working just fine.
>> >
>> > Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique than XP
>> > to
>> > join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
>> > --
>> > --Boyd
>> >
>> >
>> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
>> >> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista
>> >> > Business
>> >> > and
>> >> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while "looking
>> >> > for
>> >> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server
>> >> > username
>> >> > and
>> >> > passowrd to join a domain.
>> >> >
>> >> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next one
>> >> > was
>> >> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem. I
>> >> > went
>> >> > on
>> >> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
>> >> >
>> >> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything
>> >> > but
>> >> > one
>> >> > PC
>> >> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see if
>> >> > there's
>> >> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the problem
>> >> > PC
>> >> > is
>> >> > a
>> >> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded.
>> >> > And
>> >> > Office
>> >> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh
>> >> > install
>> >> > of
>> >> > Vista Business.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone with an idea?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > --Boyd
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that
>> >> worked
>> >> to
>> >> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in the
>> >> TCP/IP
>> >> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being joined.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >>
>> >>
>>

There's no question that there's something weird here. I've tried netbios
and FQDN with the same result. To make matters more weird (than XP) is that
during the wizard Vista asks if you would like to setup a user account and
then says it can't establish a trust. But by this time it has setup a
computer account and joined the domain.

Afterwards I tried using remote desktop to the server and it went right into
the "looking for credentials" and then hung. Again, I had to used Task
manager to kill it.

I'm getting more convinced that the new security approach in Vista is the
culprit, at least it is the main difference in the equation than XP, to what
is a otherwise a stable DC/DNS etc on W2K3 for some time.

The other major set of variables is that new Core 2 Duo laptop is decked out
with the latest add-ons like fingerprint readers, cameras, wireless N, etc.
I can't connect these dots to a domain join but hey what do I know.

I even went to the trouble to re-install a version of Vista on this laptop
that worked well on another to eliminate the chance the OEM version wasn't
using the same build of Vista. Alas ...

Time to post a new "looking for credential" during remote desktop connection

--Boyd


"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> That's weird. I've tried joining a domain both ways and both worked. Were
> you using the NETBIOS domain name or the FQDN? I didn't think of it until
> now but I usually use mydomain.lan rather than just mydomain when joining a
> domain.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> news:C28A40A8-84BF-4874-AA1D-...
> > given this is a new pc with not much on it but the os i decided to replace
> > everything with a fresh vista install. so the pc has nothing but vista on
> > it
> > right now. i tried the domain join via system
> > properties/computername/change... and that again gave me the looking for
> > credential. cancellin this after 5 mins hangs the system properties task
> > and
> > task manager has to be used to kill it. i then tried system
> > properties/computername/network id wizard. This worked well (with extra
> > steps over how its works in XP... Vista annoyance).
> >
> > So as it stands, the "Change..." doesn't work in Vista but "Network Id"
> > does.
> >
> > onwards...
> >
> > thanks for input
> >
> > --Boyd
> >
> >
> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> >
> >> You have to figure out what is different on that PC from the other Vista
> >> business computer that joined the domain OK. My guess would be a third
> >> party
> >> firewall. Note that some AV apps disable the Windows firewall and
> >> substitute
> >> their own. As far as I know there are no different requirements on the
> >> server to join Vista to a domain. Use nslookup to confirm that DNS is
> >> working. Failure to join a domain is almost always a DNS problem
> >> somewhere.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kerry Brown
> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
> >>
> >>
> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> >> news:5F8AFB3E-3D01-4F17-8B7B-...
> >> > Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options provide the
> >> > setup
> >> > of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the same
> >> > IPConfig
> >> > /all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for credentials"
> >> > PC
> >> > is
> >> > not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network
> >> > location
> >> > was
> >> > no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this say to
> >> > me
> >> > that
> >> > either dns or Wins is working just fine.
> >> >
> >> > Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique than XP
> >> > to
> >> > join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
> >> > --
> >> > --Boyd
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
> >> >> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista
> >> >> > Business
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while "looking
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server
> >> >> > username
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > passowrd to join a domain.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next one
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem. I
> >> >> > went
> >> >> > on
> >> >> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything
> >> >> > but
> >> >> > one
> >> >> > PC
> >> >> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see if
> >> >> > there's
> >> >> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the problem
> >> >> > PC
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded.
> >> >> > And
> >> >> > Office
> >> >> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh
> >> >> > install
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > Vista Business.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Anyone with an idea?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> > --Boyd
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that
> >> >> worked
> >> >> to
> >> >> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in the
> >> >> TCP/IP
> >> >> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being joined.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Kerry Brown
> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>

It could be a flaky NIC driver.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
news:20DC459F-7D0E-4022-8B30-...
> There's no question that there's something weird here. I've tried netbios
> and FQDN with the same result. To make matters more weird (than XP) is
> that
> during the wizard Vista asks if you would like to setup a user account and
> then says it can't establish a trust. But by this time it has setup a
> computer account and joined the domain.
>
> Afterwards I tried using remote desktop to the server and it went right
> into
> the "looking for credentials" and then hung. Again, I had to used Task
> manager to kill it.
>
> I'm getting more convinced that the new security approach in Vista is the
> culprit, at least it is the main difference in the equation than XP, to
> what
> is a otherwise a stable DC/DNS etc on W2K3 for some time.
>
> The other major set of variables is that new Core 2 Duo laptop is decked
> out
> with the latest add-ons like fingerprint readers, cameras, wireless N,
> etc.
> I can't connect these dots to a domain join but hey what do I know.
>
> I even went to the trouble to re-install a version of Vista on this laptop
> that worked well on another to eliminate the chance the OEM version wasn't
> using the same build of Vista. Alas ...
>
> Time to post a new "looking for credential" during remote desktop
> connection
>
> --Boyd
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>
>> That's weird. I've tried joining a domain both ways and both worked. Were
>> you using the NETBIOS domain name or the FQDN? I didn't think of it until
>> now but I usually use mydomain.lan rather than just mydomain when joining
>> a
>> domain.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
>> news:C28A40A8-84BF-4874-AA1D-...
>> > given this is a new pc with not much on it but the os i decided to
>> > replace
>> > everything with a fresh vista install. so the pc has nothing but vista
>> > on
>> > it
>> > right now. i tried the domain join via system
>> > properties/computername/change... and that again gave me the looking
>> > for
>> > credential. cancellin this after 5 mins hangs the system properties
>> > task
>> > and
>> > task manager has to be used to kill it. i then tried system
>> > properties/computername/network id wizard. This worked well (with
>> > extra
>> > steps over how its works in XP... Vista annoyance).
>> >
>> > So as it stands, the "Change..." doesn't work in Vista but "Network Id"
>> > does.
>> >
>> > onwards...
>> >
>> > thanks for input
>> >
>> > --Boyd
>> >
>> >
>> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You have to figure out what is different on that PC from the other
>> >> Vista
>> >> business computer that joined the domain OK. My guess would be a third
>> >> party
>> >> firewall. Note that some AV apps disable the Windows firewall and
>> >> substitute
>> >> their own. As far as I know there are no different requirements on the
>> >> server to join Vista to a domain. Use nslookup to confirm that DNS is
>> >> working. Failure to join a domain is almost always a DNS problem
>> >> somewhere.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:5F8AFB3E-3D01-4F17-8B7B-...
>> >> > Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options provide
>> >> > the
>> >> > setup
>> >> > of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the same
>> >> > IPConfig
>> >> > /all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for
>> >> > credentials"
>> >> > PC
>> >> > is
>> >> > not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network
>> >> > location
>> >> > was
>> >> > no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this say
>> >> > to
>> >> > me
>> >> > that
>> >> > either dns or Wins is working just fine.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique than
>> >> > XP
>> >> > to
>> >> > join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
>> >> > --
>> >> > --Boyd
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
>> >> >> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista
>> >> >> > Business
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while
>> >> >> > "looking
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server
>> >> >> > username
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > passowrd to join a domain.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next
>> >> >> > one
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem.
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> > went
>> >> >> > on
>> >> >> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > one
>> >> >> > PC
>> >> >> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > there's
>> >> >> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the
>> >> >> > problem
>> >> >> > PC
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded.
>> >> >> > And
>> >> >> > Office
>> >> >> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh
>> >> >> > install
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > Vista Business.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Anyone with an idea?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> > --Boyd
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that
>> >> >> worked
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> TCP/IP
>> >> >> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being
>> >> >> joined.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>

Now that would make a lot of sense. I'll check out Broadcom for an update
over Acer.

--Boyd


"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> It could be a flaky NIC driver.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> news:20DC459F-7D0E-4022-8B30-...
> > There's no question that there's something weird here. I've tried netbios
> > and FQDN with the same result. To make matters more weird (than XP) is
> > that
> > during the wizard Vista asks if you would like to setup a user account and
> > then says it can't establish a trust. But by this time it has setup a
> > computer account and joined the domain.
> >
> > Afterwards I tried using remote desktop to the server and it went right
> > into
> > the "looking for credentials" and then hung. Again, I had to used Task
> > manager to kill it.
> >
> > I'm getting more convinced that the new security approach in Vista is the
> > culprit, at least it is the main difference in the equation than XP, to
> > what
> > is a otherwise a stable DC/DNS etc on W2K3 for some time.
> >
> > The other major set of variables is that new Core 2 Duo laptop is decked
> > out
> > with the latest add-ons like fingerprint readers, cameras, wireless N,
> > etc.
> > I can't connect these dots to a domain join but hey what do I know.
> >
> > I even went to the trouble to re-install a version of Vista on this laptop
> > that worked well on another to eliminate the chance the OEM version wasn't
> > using the same build of Vista. Alas ...
> >
> > Time to post a new "looking for credential" during remote desktop
> > connection
> >
> > --Boyd
> >
> >
> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> >
> >> That's weird. I've tried joining a domain both ways and both worked. Were
> >> you using the NETBIOS domain name or the FQDN? I didn't think of it until
> >> now but I usually use mydomain.lan rather than just mydomain when joining
> >> a
> >> domain.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kerry Brown
> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
> >>
> >>
> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> >> news:C28A40A8-84BF-4874-AA1D-...
> >> > given this is a new pc with not much on it but the os i decided to
> >> > replace
> >> > everything with a fresh vista install. so the pc has nothing but vista
> >> > on
> >> > it
> >> > right now. i tried the domain join via system
> >> > properties/computername/change... and that again gave me the looking
> >> > for
> >> > credential. cancellin this after 5 mins hangs the system properties
> >> > task
> >> > and
> >> > task manager has to be used to kill it. i then tried system
> >> > properties/computername/network id wizard. This worked well (with
> >> > extra
> >> > steps over how its works in XP... Vista annoyance).
> >> >
> >> > So as it stands, the "Change..." doesn't work in Vista but "Network Id"
> >> > does.
> >> >
> >> > onwards...
> >> >
> >> > thanks for input
> >> >
> >> > --Boyd
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You have to figure out what is different on that PC from the other
> >> >> Vista
> >> >> business computer that joined the domain OK. My guess would be a third
> >> >> party
> >> >> firewall. Note that some AV apps disable the Windows firewall and
> >> >> substitute
> >> >> their own. As far as I know there are no different requirements on the
> >> >> server to join Vista to a domain. Use nslookup to confirm that DNS is
> >> >> working. Failure to join a domain is almost always a DNS problem
> >> >> somewhere.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Kerry Brown
> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
> >> >> news:5F8AFB3E-3D01-4F17-8B7B-...
> >> >> > Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options provide
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > setup
> >> >> > of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the same
> >> >> > IPConfig
> >> >> > /all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for
> >> >> > credentials"
> >> >> > PC
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network
> >> >> > location
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this say
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > me
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > either dns or Wins is working just fine.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique than
> >> >> > XP
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > --Boyd
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in
> >> >> >> message
> >> >> >> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
> >> >> >> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista
> >> >> >> > Business
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while
> >> >> >> > "looking
> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server
> >> >> >> > username
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > passowrd to join a domain.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next
> >> >> >> > one
> >> >> >> > was
> >> >> >> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a problem.
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > went
> >> >> >> > on
> >> >> >> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if evrything
> >> >> >> > but
> >> >> >> > one
> >> >> >> > PC
> >> >> >> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to see
> >> >> >> > if
> >> >> >> > there's
> >> >> >> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the
> >> >> >> > problem
> >> >> >> > PC
> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> > a
> >> >> >> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial pre-loaded.
> >> >> >> > And
> >> >> >> > Office
> >> >> >> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were fresh
> >> >> >> > install
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> > Vista Business.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Anyone with an idea?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >> > --Boyd
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer that
> >> >> >> worked
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server in
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> TCP/IP
> >> >> >> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being
> >> >> >> joined.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Kerry Brown
> >> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> >> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>

Is it an Acer with a broadcom wireless NIC? The computer I'm typing this on
is an Acer laptop with a broadcom wireless NIC. The wireless works fine but
if I remember right I was using the wired connection when I joined the
domain. I'm pretty sure I'm using the driver that installed during the Vista
install with a standard Vista Business retail DVD. I tried a driver that
Windows Updates pushed out but I had intermittent connectivity.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
news:2AD1EF93-DC43-4EEC-8D0B-...
> Now that would make a lot of sense. I'll check out Broadcom for an update
> over Acer.
>
> --Boyd
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>
>> It could be a flaky NIC driver.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>>
>>
>> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
>> news:20DC459F-7D0E-4022-8B30-...
>> > There's no question that there's something weird here. I've tried
>> > netbios
>> > and FQDN with the same result. To make matters more weird (than XP) is
>> > that
>> > during the wizard Vista asks if you would like to setup a user account
>> > and
>> > then says it can't establish a trust. But by this time it has setup a
>> > computer account and joined the domain.
>> >
>> > Afterwards I tried using remote desktop to the server and it went right
>> > into
>> > the "looking for credentials" and then hung. Again, I had to used Task
>> > manager to kill it.
>> >
>> > I'm getting more convinced that the new security approach in Vista is
>> > the
>> > culprit, at least it is the main difference in the equation than XP, to
>> > what
>> > is a otherwise a stable DC/DNS etc on W2K3 for some time.
>> >
>> > The other major set of variables is that new Core 2 Duo laptop is
>> > decked
>> > out
>> > with the latest add-ons like fingerprint readers, cameras, wireless N,
>> > etc.
>> > I can't connect these dots to a domain join but hey what do I know.
>> >
>> > I even went to the trouble to re-install a version of Vista on this
>> > laptop
>> > that worked well on another to eliminate the chance the OEM version
>> > wasn't
>> > using the same build of Vista. Alas ...
>> >
>> > Time to post a new "looking for credential" during remote desktop
>> > connection
>> >
>> > --Boyd
>> >
>> >
>> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >
>> >> That's weird. I've tried joining a domain both ways and both worked.
>> >> Were
>> >> you using the NETBIOS domain name or the FQDN? I didn't think of it
>> >> until
>> >> now but I usually use mydomain.lan rather than just mydomain when
>> >> joining
>> >> a
>> >> domain.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:C28A40A8-84BF-4874-AA1D-...
>> >> > given this is a new pc with not much on it but the os i decided to
>> >> > replace
>> >> > everything with a fresh vista install. so the pc has nothing but
>> >> > vista
>> >> > on
>> >> > it
>> >> > right now. i tried the domain join via system
>> >> > properties/computername/change... and that again gave me the looking
>> >> > for
>> >> > credential. cancellin this after 5 mins hangs the system properties
>> >> > task
>> >> > and
>> >> > task manager has to be used to kill it. i then tried system
>> >> > properties/computername/network id wizard. This worked well (with
>> >> > extra
>> >> > steps over how its works in XP... Vista annoyance).
>> >> >
>> >> > So as it stands, the "Change..." doesn't work in Vista but "Network
>> >> > Id"
>> >> > does.
>> >> >
>> >> > onwards...
>> >> >
>> >> > thanks for input
>> >> >
>> >> > --Boyd
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You have to figure out what is different on that PC from the other
>> >> >> Vista
>> >> >> business computer that joined the domain OK. My guess would be a
>> >> >> third
>> >> >> party
>> >> >> firewall. Note that some AV apps disable the Windows firewall and
>> >> >> substitute
>> >> >> their own. As far as I know there are no different requirements on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> server to join Vista to a domain. Use nslookup to confirm that DNS
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> working. Failure to join a domain is almost always a DNS problem
>> >> >> somewhere.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in
>> >> >> message
>> >> >> news:5F8AFB3E-3D01-4F17-8B7B-...
>> >> >> > Server 2003 DC hosts the DHCP server and it's scope options
>> >> >> > provide
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > setup
>> >> >> > of DNS/WINS to all clients, so the dns/wins/gw... were all the
>> >> >> > same
>> >> >> > IPConfig
>> >> >> > /all did confirm this. Interesting that the "looking for
>> >> >> > credentials"
>> >> >> > PC
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > not able to see computers on the domain but setting up a network
>> >> >> > location
>> >> >> > was
>> >> >> > no problem. all names were resolved without hesitation. this
>> >> >> > say
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > me
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > either dns or Wins is working just fine.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Is there any possibility that Vista uses a different technique
>> >> >> > than
>> >> >> > XP
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> > join DC hence requiring more on Server 2003?
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > --Boyd
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> "Boyd Tucker" <> wrote in
>> >> >> >> message
>> >> >> >> news:7A147425-45FE-4794-9B01-...
>> >> >> >> > I've got this pain in the butt notebook that came with Vista
>> >> >> >> > Business
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > when I tried to join an active domain it got hung up while
>> >> >> >> > "looking
>> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> > credentials" i.e. in preparation for the prompt for the server
>> >> >> >> > username
>> >> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> > passowrd to join a domain.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I left that probelm to move on to join other PC's and the next
>> >> >> >> > one
>> >> >> >> > was
>> >> >> >> > another Vista Business notebook and guess what ... not a
>> >> >> >> > problem.
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> > went
>> >> >> >> > on
>> >> >> >> > to join other XPP PCs as well.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > So the problem isn't the server/network/firewall/etc if
>> >> >> >> > evrything
>> >> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >> > one
>> >> >> >> > PC
>> >> >> >> > works??? I have compare the problem Vista to another Vista to
>> >> >> >> > see
>> >> >> >> > if
>> >> >> >> > there's
>> >> >> >> > some config issue but all seem to be the same.... except the
>> >> >> >> > problem
>> >> >> >> > PC
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> > new PC with Vista Business OEM with Office 2007 trial
>> >> >> >> > pre-loaded.
>> >> >> >> > And
>> >> >> >> > Office
>> >> >> >> > 2007 stuff was removed. The other "working" Vista PCs were
>> >> >> >> > fresh
>> >> >> >> > install
>> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> > Vista Business.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Anyone with an idea?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> >> > --Boyd
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Check the DNS settings. Compare ipconfig /all from a computer
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> worked
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> the one that didn't. When joining a domain the only DNS server
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> TCP/IP
>> >> >> >> properties should be a Domain Controller on the Domain being
>> >> >> >> joined.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Kerry Brown
>> >> >> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> >> >> >> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>