Vista is more stable than Win 7

I am kind of shocked by what I have experienced with Win 7. Every word is
sad but true:
Two out of 4 Win 7 installations have spontaneously totally gone south:
Microsoft had absolutely no useful fix for either and of course blames the
end user, vendor drivers, etc.
Microsoft never changes their tune: difficult end user problems are always
someone else's fault. Ever has it been ever shall it be.
There was no detectable malware and no hardware failure with either
installation, one used Nvidia and one used ATI graphics. One used Microsoft
Security Essentials and one used Norton AV. One is a high end laptop and the
other a relatively high end desktop.
The laptop gradually destabilized. It allowed less and less access to system
files until finally it would not boot, stopping at the initial black screen.
The dual boot side with Vista, on the same laptop hard drive, has never even
burped. Wiping and reinstalling Win 7 on its partition was the only solution
and while it has worked stably, and the Win 7 GUI is more interesting than
Vista, I don't trust Win 7.
The desktop suddenly would boot only to the initial black screen with
movable pointer in both normal mode and safemode (an oxymoron if ever there
was one). That computer had worked normally in its last session, had not
downloaded anything from the internet nor had any new software or hardware
installed. It dual boots into Vista 64 and every malware and hardware test
is again normal. The Win 7 hard drive is eminently readable and writable.
The machine runs stably in Vista 64, as well as off an Ubuntu CD, under the
heaviest gaming or multimedia tasks.
The useless repair tools in Win 7 in both instances generated a log message
showing no errors.
For all its warts I have never seen anything like this in Vista absent
obvious hardware failure/malware on over a dozen laptops and desktops.
I have a 50% failure rate with Win 7, one laptop and one desktop.
I have not decided whether to go through the torture of reinstalling Win 7
and begging to reactivate various applications from their respective
vendors, especially Adobe.

I would TOTALLY Disagree with you
and Most of my Fellow Techies That have a business would disagree also.
I have no problem recommending Win7 vs VISTA

In fact I had VISTA Free, and I still Used XP...

Because my Experience is just the Opposite for VISTA, for me and all my
clients!

I know you think I'm a MS FANBOY, but I never liked VISTA
(Yes I know It's not the answer you think I should post.)

And the blogs seem to agree with my results...
Sorry you are having issues

I love now that my system runs faster than VISTA
Boots faster than VISTA and is more Stable than VISTA.

and I can use the SLEEP Function of my Laptop! YEAH
Win7 is a WIN!

And I know Microsoft may not like this Phrase but I say this
"Win7 is VISTA done Right!"

Faster, better stronger, Finally! (Thank you MS)
Russ

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"nomore" <> wrote in message
news:112B47B9-B0E2-4BE6-874A-...
> I am kind of shocked by what I have experienced with Win 7. Every word is
> sad but true:
> Two out of 4 Win 7 installations have spontaneously totally gone south:
> Microsoft had absolutely no useful fix for either and of course blames the
> end user, vendor drivers, etc.
> Microsoft never changes their tune: difficult end user problems are always
> someone else's fault. Ever has it been ever shall it be.
> There was no detectable malware and no hardware failure with either
> installation, one used Nvidia and one used ATI graphics. One used
> Microsoft Security Essentials and one used Norton AV. One is a high end
> laptop and the other a relatively high end desktop.
> The laptop gradually destabilized. It allowed less and less access to
> system files until finally it would not boot, stopping at the initial
> black screen. The dual boot side with Vista, on the same laptop hard
> drive, has never even burped. Wiping and reinstalling Win 7 on its
> partition was the only solution and while it has worked stably, and the
> Win 7 GUI is more interesting than Vista, I don't trust Win 7.
> The desktop suddenly would boot only to the initial black screen with
> movable pointer in both normal mode and safemode (an oxymoron if ever
> there was one). That computer had worked normally in its last session, had
> not downloaded anything from the internet nor had any new software or
> hardware installed. It dual boots into Vista 64 and every malware and
> hardware test is again normal. The Win 7 hard drive is eminently readable
> and writable. The machine runs stably in Vista 64, as well as off an
> Ubuntu CD, under the heaviest gaming or multimedia tasks.
> The useless repair tools in Win 7 in both instances generated a log
> message showing no errors.
> For all its warts I have never seen anything like this in Vista absent
> obvious hardware failure/malware on over a dozen laptops and desktops.
> I have a 50% failure rate with Win 7, one laptop and one desktop.
> I have not decided whether to go through the torture of reinstalling Win 7
> and begging to reactivate various applications from their respective
> vendors, especially Adobe.

On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 21:34:55 -0800, "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]"
<> wrote:

>I would TOTALLY Disagree with you
>and Most of my Fellow Techies That have a business would disagree also.
>I have no problem recommending Win7 vs VISTA

Well, the buzz is different, but he experienced what he experienced.

Bottom line, NEVER install any MS OS before SP1 unless forced to by
purchase of a new machine with no alternatives. If possible, delay
hardware purchases until SP1 is available.

I've never had a problem from my vista machine but it's nowhere as nice
as the windows 7 laptop I have. oh my god this thing is nice. I want
windows 7 for my desktop now!

in fact, when I used Ubuntu 9.10 on another drive in the same computer
it had more problems than any computer I've ever seen.
I like linux but honestly it's never going to be as good without other
company support with drivers etc.
and they still heavily rely on the terminal too much. I feel like I'm
still in he 80's typing in a bunch of commands to install things etc.
no one wants to use a computer like this anymore.
it's all about a GUI. (graphical user interface) something microsoft
realized in the mid 80's.
linux needs some heavy improvements.

thankfully some companies have started to make good drivers for linux
users.
such as Nvidia and HP printers. my HP officjet pro has full features
including the fax, ink levels, pretty much everything you can do with it
in windows, you can now do it with linux. (Thanks HP!)


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Dear Poster,
When you reply to a post in

These web sites.
EggHeadcafe
Forums.Techarena
MSGroups
vistaheads

And many Others

It shows up as a broken thread on a Microsoft Public newsgroup
and usually it's old or outdated post.

They attempt to mirror Microsoft Break/Fix public newsgroups.
*For Profit from ads.

However in most cases Any responding or posting means
that 99% of the world will not know what you are responding to.

(Since it will be a broken thread on the original source.)

Example: In your current post we may have no reference to what you are
talking about.
and or it may be too old to even give use proper respect.

If you avoid these types of websites and post directly to the Microsoft
newsgroup you will benefit from threads not getting broken.
And a lot of misunderstanding.

You can either use a NNTP News Reader (Example Outlook Express)
And set it up with:
NewsServer: msnews.microsoft.com
Server does not require login
Please "MUNG" your email address
and change your name.

Please post again with a NEW Descriptive Topic of what the issue is
(Other than HELP or Urgent)
All the posts here are urgent.

In addition do not reference Other posts and keep with this thread until you
have it solved.
or there are no more replies. (Do not start a new thread every question on
the same topic)

If you wish a "WEB" Based interface with NO Ad's
you can go directly to this forum with.
http://www.microsoft.com/communities.../default.aspx?
It has the feature to notify you on a reply also.

To Search for issues in the past the easiest way is to Google them.
http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...public.windows
This has way more information than that website will ever have and help you
to stay connected.

I hope you find this information helpful.
Thanks

Russ

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"serpentracer" <> wrote in
message news:...
>
> I've never had a problem from my vista machine but it's nowhere as nice
> as the windows 7 laptop I have. oh my god this thing is nice. I want
> windows 7 for my desktop now!
>
> in fact, when I used Ubuntu 9.10 on another drive in the same computer
> it had more problems than any computer I've ever seen.
> I like linux but honestly it's never going to be as good without other
> company support with drivers etc.
> and they still heavily rely on the terminal too much. I feel like I'm
> still in he 80's typing in a bunch of commands to install things etc.
> no one wants to use a computer like this anymore.
> it's all about a GUI. (graphical user interface) something microsoft
> realized in the mid 80's.
> linux needs some heavy improvements.
>
> thankfully some companies have started to make good drivers for linux
> users.
> such as Nvidia and HP printers. my HP officjet pro has full features
> including the fax, ink levels, pretty much everything you can do with it
> in windows, you can now do it with linux. (Thanks HP!)
>
>
> --
> serpentracer
> Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com
>

are you talking to me? this is a forum. you need to get a better what
ever it is you are using.

I have no idea what you are even remotely trying to tell me.
If this forum is posting all kinds of other crap that I don't see
that's your problem.
I'm using the reply box at the bottom of the thread.
I think you need to lay off the peyote.


Dear, Russ sbits.biz,

try loging on to vistaheads.com to read the actual thread and quit
using some dumb **** like rss feeds or outlook to respond to posts.
K bye.


'Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP Wrote:
> ;1653067']Dear Poster,
> When you reply to a post in
>
> These web sites.
> EggHeadcafe
> Forums.Techarena
> MSGroups
> vistaheads
>
> And many Others
>
> It shows up as a broken thread on a Microsoft Public newsgroup
> and usually it's old or outdated post.
>
> They attempt to mirror Microsoft Break/Fix public newsgroups.
> *For Profit from ads.
>
> However in most cases Any responding or posting means
> that 99% of the world will not know what you are responding to.
>
> (Since it will be a broken thread on the original source.)
>
> Example: In your current post we may have no reference to what you are
> talking about.
> and or it may be too old to even give use proper respect.
>
> If you avoid these types of websites and post directly to the
> Microsoft
> newsgroup you will benefit from threads not getting broken.
> And a lot of misunderstanding.
>
> You can either use a NNTP News Reader (Example Outlook Express)
> And set it up with:
> NewsServer: msnews.microsoft.com
> Server does not require login
> Please "MUNG" your email address
> and change your name.
>
> Please post again with a NEW Descriptive Topic of what the issue is
> (Other than HELP or Urgent)
> All the posts here are urgent.
>
> In addition do not reference Other posts and keep with this thread
> until you
> have it solved.
> or there are no more replies. (Do not start a new thread every question
> on
> the same topic)
>
> If you wish a "WEB" Based interface with NO Ad's
> you can go directly to this forum with.
> 'Welcome to Microsoft Discussion Groups'
> (http://www.microsoft.com/communities.../default.aspx?)
> It has the feature to notify you on a reply also.
>
> To Search for issues in the past the easiest way is to Google them.
> 'Google Groups' (http://tinyurl.com/y8utwqf)
> This has way more information than that website will ever have and help
> you
> to stay connected.
>
> I hope you find this information helpful.
> Thanks
>
> Russ
>
> --
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> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC
> Microsoft Certified Small Business Specialist
> SBS2003 SBS2008 Support - '.:SBITS.Biz - [MVP] Small Business Computer
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>
> "serpentracer" <> wrote
> in
> message news:...
> >
> > I've never had a problem from my vista machine but it's nowhere as
> nice
> > as the windows 7 laptop I have. oh my god this thing is nice. I want
> > windows 7 for my desktop now!
> >
> > in fact, when I used Ubuntu 9.10 on another drive in the same
> computer
> > it had more problems than any computer I've ever seen.
> > I like linux but honestly it's never going to be as good without
> other
> > company support with drivers etc.
> > and they still heavily rely on the terminal too much. I feel like
> I'm
> > still in he 80's typing in a bunch of commands to install things
> etc.
> > no one wants to use a computer like this anymore.
> > it's all about a GUI. (graphical user interface) something
> microsoft
> > realized in the mid 80's.
> > linux needs some heavy improvements.
> >
> > thankfully some companies have started to make good drivers for
> linux
> > users.
> > such as Nvidia and HP printers. my HP officjet pro has full features
> > including the fax, ink levels, pretty much everything you can do with
> it
> > in windows, you can now do it with linux. (Thanks HP!)
> >
> >
> > --
> > serpentracer
> > Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com
> >


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On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:22:30 +0000, serpentracer
<> wrote:

>it's all about a GUI. (graphical user interface) something microsoft
>realized in the mid 80's.

Right after they saw X-Windows.

Bob
MS Windows 1983
X-Windows came out in 1984 MIT

So MS Couldn't see X-Windows it wasn't out yet!
But I think Xerox Came out with the first GUI in 73


Russ
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"+Bob+" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:22:30 +0000, serpentracer
> <> wrote:
>
>>it's all about a GUI. (graphical user interface) something microsoft
>>realized in the mid 80's.
>
> Right after they saw X-Windows.