Vista OEM vs Retail & No support from MS

I want to purchase Ultimate 64bit Vista yet I cannot in the UK. I have
contacted MS regarding OEM versions, they advised me NOT to. You cannot buy
Vista 64bit Ultimate Retail anywhere at all. I have contacted MS regarding
this, they had absolutely NO IDEA either. I have tried to lodge a serious
complaint with MS, yet the site "conveiniently" will not accept the complaint
form. I do not want a download or upgrade, I want the 64bit Ultimate DVD. You
cannot purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in the world.
Yet there are hundreds of sites offering the OEM version. Why are microsoft
shafting people who want to do the right thing and get the correctly licensed
version? And more to the point why are they allowing so many people to use
the OEM version ? Now ive made enquiries about this, I bet my bottom dollar
if I was to get the OEM version and I had a problem that my mobo failed and I
needed to reactivate vista, they'd block me. I cannot get a single contact
detail for MS off the site, and im sick to the back teeth with the answers im
getting. So im posting here hoping that some MS expert can either tell me
where I can purchase Vista Ultimate 64bit Retail. If that isnt availible,
then why isnt it ? Why sell the 32bit version with the 64bit, and charge over
£300 for it. Yet the OEM is £100.

"You cannot purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in
the world."
Yes, you can.
Purchase Windows Vista Ultimate and there are 2 DVDs in the box, 32
bit and 64 bit.

Also, the other versions of Windows Vista, Home Basic, Home Premium
and Business, include instructions for ordering the 64 bit DVD.

Also see:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/vistaget.htm


"Why sell the 32bit version with the 64bit, and charge over £300 for
it."
That is not two licenses, it is one license with a choice of which,
If 32 bit DVD were removed from the packaging, savings would probably
be less than £1.
OEM has always been cheaper than retail which is why many choose OEM
in spite of the disadvantages.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"LeVzi" <> wrote in message
news:36F420F2-A0E4-4BFA-A668-...
>I want to purchase Ultimate 64bit Vista yet I cannot in the UK. I
>have
> contacted MS regarding OEM versions, they advised me NOT to. You
> cannot buy
> Vista 64bit Ultimate Retail anywhere at all. I have contacted MS
> regarding
> this, they had absolutely NO IDEA either. I have tried to lodge a
> serious
> complaint with MS, yet the site "conveiniently" will not accept the
> complaint
> form. I do not want a download or upgrade, I want the 64bit Ultimate
> DVD. You
> cannot purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in the
> world.
> Yet there are hundreds of sites offering the OEM version. Why are
> microsoft
> shafting people who want to do the right thing and get the correctly
> licensed
> version? And more to the point why are they allowing so many people
> to use
> the OEM version ? Now ive made enquiries about this, I bet my bottom
> dollar
> if I was to get the OEM version and I had a problem that my mobo
> failed and I
> needed to reactivate vista, they'd block me. I cannot get a single
> contact
> detail for MS off the site, and im sick to the back teeth with the
> answers im
> getting. So im posting here hoping that some MS expert can either
> tell me
> where I can purchase Vista Ultimate 64bit Retail. If that isnt
> availible,
> then why isnt it ? Why sell the 32bit version with the 64bit, and
> charge over
> £300 for it. Yet the OEM is £100.

"LeVzi" <> wrote in message
news:36F420F2-A0E4-4BFA-A668-...
>I want to purchase Ultimate 64bit Vista yet I cannot in the UK. I have
> contacted MS regarding OEM versions, they advised me NOT to. You cannot
> buy
> Vista 64bit Ultimate Retail anywhere at all. I have contacted MS regarding
> this, they had absolutely NO IDEA either. I have tried to lodge a serious
> complaint with MS, yet the site "conveiniently" will not accept the
> complaint
> form. I do not want a download or upgrade, I want the 64bit Ultimate DVD.
> You
> cannot purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in the
> world.
> Yet there are hundreds of sites offering the OEM version. Why are
> microsoft
> shafting people who want to do the right thing and get the correctly
> licensed
> version? And more to the point why are they allowing so many people to use
> the OEM version ? Now ive made enquiries about this, I bet my bottom
> dollar
> if I was to get the OEM version and I had a problem that my mobo failed
> and I
> needed to reactivate vista, they'd block me. I cannot get a single contact
> detail for MS off the site, and im sick to the back teeth with the answers
> im
> getting. So im posting here hoping that some MS expert can either tell me
> where I can purchase Vista Ultimate 64bit Retail. If that isnt availible,
> then why isnt it ? Why sell the 32bit version with the 64bit, and charge
> over
> £300 for it. Yet the OEM is £100.



Right, so to recap you want to buy the retail version so that you can gloat
over people who have legitimately bought the OEM version, and tell them that
they have illegitimately bought it.

You also want to pay more, since you are disturbed at the fact that people
are obtaining exactly the same product as you for a fraction of the price.


And you're looking for the added value of Microsoft technical support which
you'll get with the Retail version, which your own first-hand experience has
just shown to be a waste of space, and which lead you to post a question in
a free newsgroup in the hope of a better answer.


Yep, that makes a lot of sense


--
Jon

"LeVzi" <> wrote in message
news:36F420F2-A0E4-4BFA-A668-
> You
> cannot buy Vista 64bit Ultimate Retail anywhere at all.

> You cannot
> purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in the world.

You didn't try looking very hard. Ultimate Retail comes with both the 32bit
and 64bit discs in the box.

http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=V...pgrade&show=li

ss.

"Jon" wrote:

> "LeVzi" <> wrote in message
> news:36F420F2-A0E4-4BFA-A668-...
> >I want to purchase Ultimate 64bit Vista yet I cannot in the UK. I have
> > contacted MS regarding OEM versions, they advised me NOT to. You cannot
> > buy
> > Vista 64bit Ultimate Retail anywhere at all. I have contacted MS regarding
> > this, they had absolutely NO IDEA either. I have tried to lodge a serious
> > complaint with MS, yet the site "conveiniently" will not accept the
> > complaint
> > form. I do not want a download or upgrade, I want the 64bit Ultimate DVD.
> > You
> > cannot purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in the
> > world.
> > Yet there are hundreds of sites offering the OEM version. Why are
> > microsoft
> > shafting people who want to do the right thing and get the correctly
> > licensed
> > version? And more to the point why are they allowing so many people to use
> > the OEM version ? Now ive made enquiries about this, I bet my bottom
> > dollar
> > if I was to get the OEM version and I had a problem that my mobo failed
> > and I
> > needed to reactivate vista, they'd block me. I cannot get a single contact
> > detail for MS off the site, and im sick to the back teeth with the answers
> > im
> > getting. So im posting here hoping that some MS expert can either tell me
> > where I can purchase Vista Ultimate 64bit Retail. If that isnt availible,
> > then why isnt it ? Why sell the 32bit version with the 64bit, and charge
> > over
> > £300 for it. Yet the OEM is £100.
>
>
>
> Right, so to recap you want to buy the retail version so that you can gloat
> over people who have legitimately bought the OEM version, and tell them that
> they have illegitimately bought it.
>
> You also want to pay more, since you are disturbed at the fact that people
> are obtaining exactly the same product as you for a fraction of the price.
>
>
> And you're looking for the added value of Microsoft technical support which
> you'll get with the Retail version, which your own first-hand experience has
> just shown to be a waste of space, and which lead you to post a question in
> a free newsgroup in the hope of a better answer.
>
>
> Yep, that makes a lot of sense
>
>
> --
> Jon
>
So basically you condone the breach of License by people buying the OEM? All
the sales of Vista Ultimate ive seen in the UK are the 32bit version with the
option of getting the 64bit sent out + a handling fee, rofl yeah right.

So according to you Jon, I can freely get the OEM and all will be well. Sure
MS would love that.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> "You cannot purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in
> the world."
> Yes, you can.
> Purchase Windows Vista Ultimate and there are 2 DVDs in the box, 32
> bit and 64 bit.
>
> Also, the other versions of Windows Vista, Home Basic, Home Premium
> and Business, include instructions for ordering the 64 bit DVD.
>
> Also see:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/vistaget.htm
>
>
> "Why sell the 32bit version with the 64bit, and charge over £300 for
> it."
> That is not two licenses, it is one license with a choice of which,
> If 32 bit DVD were removed from the packaging, savings would probably
> be less than £1.
> OEM has always been cheaper than retail which is why many choose OEM
> in spite of the disadvantages.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "LeVzi" <> wrote in message
> news:36F420F2-A0E4-4BFA-A668-...
> >I want to purchase Ultimate 64bit Vista yet I cannot in the UK. I
> >have
> > contacted MS regarding OEM versions, they advised me NOT to. You
> > cannot buy
> > Vista 64bit Ultimate Retail anywhere at all. I have contacted MS
> > regarding
> > this, they had absolutely NO IDEA either. I have tried to lodge a
> > serious
> > complaint with MS, yet the site "conveiniently" will not accept the
> > complaint
> > form. I do not want a download or upgrade, I want the 64bit Ultimate
> > DVD. You
> > cannot purchase a retail version of that ANYWHERE so it seems in the
> > world.
> > Yet there are hundreds of sites offering the OEM version. Why are
> > microsoft
> > shafting people who want to do the right thing and get the correctly
> > licensed
> > version? And more to the point why are they allowing so many people
> > to use
> > the OEM version ? Now ive made enquiries about this, I bet my bottom
> > dollar
> > if I was to get the OEM version and I had a problem that my mobo
> > failed and I
> > needed to reactivate vista, they'd block me. I cannot get a single
> > contact
> > detail for MS off the site, and im sick to the back teeth with the
> > answers im
> > getting. So im posting here hoping that some MS expert can either
> > tell me
> > where I can purchase Vista Ultimate 64bit Retail. If that isnt
> > availible,
> > then why isnt it ? Why sell the 32bit version with the 64bit, and
> > charge over
> > £300 for it. Yet the OEM is £100.
>
So basically, the person I spoke to at Microsoft telling me I am not allowed
to purchase the OEM and use it, was totally wrong ? Id be quite happy to buy
the OEM and ive never used MS for technical support anyway, so I couldnt care
less about that. What I was told, is that the consumer may NOT purchase the
OEM version. And even if I did, if my mobo fried, id have to buy it again.
This all seems well strange. Using the OEM is close to piracy according to
MS, but not here. Whos right and whos wrong ?

"LeVzi" <> wrote in message
news:36F420F2-A0E4-4BFA-A668-...
>I want to purchase Ultimate 64bit Vista yet I cannot in the UK.

You haven't tried very hard http://www.ebuyer.com/product/119995 or pop
into pcworld or staples as they have them on the shelves.

I do not know exactly what was said between you and Microsoft.
At the least there was a misunderstanding.

The rules seem to vary depending on who you talk, but OEM is generally
available to anyone.
The variable is if the seller will sell just the OEM or if you also
need to purchase hardware with the OEM.
Typically those selling and requiring some hardware, satisfy the
requirement by selling some piece of computer hardware such as a hard
drive , motherboard, even an inexpensive cable etc.

Some people interpret the OEM agreement to mean if the motherboard
dies, the license is void, but motherboard is not named in the
license.
However, OEM is permanently tied to the original computer regardless
the condition of the original computer.
But the original computer can be upgraded and a new motherboard is an
upgrade.
Read the license for more details.

There are other differences between, but those are the major reasons.
A few of the many reasons you pay less for OEM than others pay for
retail.

Major OEMs such as Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway etc, also design their
install media to be tied to the motherboard.
So the major OEMs have effectively tied the Windows license to the
motherboard.
In that case, a motherboard replacement may mean you can no longer use
the included media if the replacement motherboard is not from the
original manufacturer.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"LeVzi" <> wrote in message
news:0A196616-277D-4E6C-A249-...
> So basically, the person I spoke to at Microsoft telling me I am not
> allowed
> to purchase the OEM and use it, was totally wrong ? Id be quite
> happy to buy
> the OEM and ive never used MS for technical support anyway, so I
> couldnt care
> less about that. What I was told, is that the consumer may NOT
> purchase the
> OEM version. And even if I did, if my mobo fried, id have to buy it
> again.
> This all seems well strange. Using the OEM is close to piracy
> according to
> MS, but not here. Whos right and whos wrong ?

"dennis@home" wrote:

>
> "LeVzi" <> wrote in message
> news:36F420F2-A0E4-4BFA-A668-...
> >I want to purchase Ultimate 64bit Vista yet I cannot in the UK.
>
> You haven't tried very hard http://www.ebuyer.com/product/119995 or pop
> into pcworld or staples as they have them on the shelves.
>

Does that say Windows Vista 64 bit ? No. You can buy the OEM 64 bit, but not
the retail, thats my point. Anyways at 275 quid you gotta be joking. Just
seems a complete and utter joke that so many people are getting the OEM and
not having problems. 110 quid for the OEM 275 for that retail. Yet MS say you
cannot use the OEM. MS are a ****ing joke. I dont want their crappy technical
support and I dont need a manual, im paying an additional 165 quid for that.
Its just if I did install OEM and my mobo fried, they wouldnt re-activate it.
God I wish linux was better.

Ive never seen the oem for sale, link plz

and ultimate retail includes 64 bit as said above


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