Vista - what a piece of S#%#

It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a pointless exercise
upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin for my XP. Junk, utter
junk. New and different, but not better. Seriosuly, what does this OS
achieve apart from making money?

Em Sábado, 8 de Novembro de 2008 09:33, bob escreveu:

> It does nothing better than XP,
it devours hardware resources better and it spys on you much better now

> what does this OS
> achieve apart from making money?
doesn anything else matters?

--
Ballmer

"bob" <> wrote in message
news:...
> It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
> most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
> been sorted it is now almost as productive.

Umm how is an OPERATING SYSTEM "productive"? It's the APPLICATIONS you run
ON the operating system that are "productive".....

"bob" <> wrote in message
news:...
> It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
> most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
> been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a pointless exercise
> upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin for my XP. Junk,
> utter junk. New and different, but not better. Seriosuly, what does this
> OS achieve apart from making money?


There is more to an OS than what you see on the desktop..


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Please excuse this rant - it's not directed personally at this poster. But
rather at all the people out there who are dissatisfied with Windows Vista.

If you don't like something, why stay with it and whine about it? Do
something to change it so you'll be happy. Switch to another OS if you're so
dissatisfied.

Windows Vista is a general purpose OS. What that means is that it strives
to do all things well, but some compromises must be made in order for it to
be useable. If you don't like how it does it - there's plenty of other
choices out there - and quite a lot of them are free.

Also, it is about money. That's how "for profit" companies are run. And
the investors in these companies expect a return on their investment.

I see this at work every day - people upgrading so they can have the
"latest" version. "Latest" may equal "better" to some people - but that
doesn't necessarily make it true.

The changes in Vista were significant and sweeping. They were not well
received by the general public. But does this make it bad? This is a
marketing issue rather than a technical issue. It's the perceived image of
Vista rather than what it actually does. Unfortunately, most of the issues
that are blamed on Vista are actually due to 3rd party
software/driver/hardware issues.

A good example of this are printers.
-Printer manufacturer's decide which printers will have Vista drivers and
which won't - Microsoft doesn't decide that. So, if you've got an older
printer and drivers aren't available - then you're just out of luck unless
you can write drivers.
-Newer printers have the "Works with Windows Vista" stickers to tell you
that they're compatible with Vista. But no one tells you that that also
means that the manufacturers probably didn't include the Vista drivers on the
disk that comes with the printer. (in order to save money). So you'll have
to download them from the manufacturer's website.
-And, to add to the issues, we're in a state of flux right now. 64 bit OS's
are being sold as fast as 32 bit OS's - and the 32 bit printer drivers won't
work on the 64 bit OS's.

Fianlly, Vista has worked fine for me from the early Beta days through
today. I've had less problems than I had with XP, and those problems that I
do have are more easily fixable. I've also got a TV card in my system that
is not Vista compatilble - so there it sits disabled until I decide to get
another one. Also, I work in a shop that fixes users systems all day long -
and that's the experience that we have with there also.

- John

"bob" wrote:

> It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
> most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
> been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a pointless exercise
> upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin for my XP. Junk, utter
> junk. New and different, but not better. Seriosuly, what does this OS
> achieve apart from making money?
>
>

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "bob" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know
>> where most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance
>> issues have been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a
>> pointless exercise upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin
>> for my XP. Junk, utter junk. New and different, but not better.
>> Seriosuly, what does this OS achieve apart from making money?
>
>
> There is more to an OS than what you see on the desktop..
>
>

Yes, and all that other stuff in Vista runs slower than in XP.

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- zachd [MSFT]

"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<> wrote in message news:gf478e$a0i$...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "bob" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know
>>> where most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance
>>> issues have been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a
>>> pointless exercise upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin
>>> for my XP. Junk, utter junk. New and different, but not better.
>>> Seriosuly, what does this OS achieve apart from making money?
>>
>>
>> There is more to an OS than what you see on the desktop..
>>
>>
>
> Yes, and all that other stuff in Vista runs slower than in XP.
>
> --
> "...every non-modular OS SUCKS...Speaking for myself only."
> - zachd [MSFT]
>
> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
> - Linus Torvalds
>
> DRM and unintended consequences:
> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/se...35&tag=nl.e101


What is slower that you know of?


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> The changes in Vista were significant and sweeping. They were not well
> received by the general public. But does this make it bad? This is a
> marketing issue rather than a technical issue. It's the perceived image
> of
> Vista rather than what it actually does. Unfortunately, most of the
> issues
> that are blamed on Vista are actually due to 3rd party
> software/driver/hardware issues.

Actually, the longhorn project was failed when it was reset at the end of
the third year which was the planned development cycle.

Vista was rushed out with less than two years of development to avoid public
humiliation and the quality shows.

So if MS couldn't keep its own schedule, how could anyone blame 3rd party
application and hardware vendors to keep up with their schedules?

Also, their marketing actually have done a great job such as created huge
public awareness for the product launch. But whose fault was that when
users and customers dissatisfied the new designs and features? Their
analysts also warned that the hardware requirements would be a problem but
the decision was still a go.

I personally don't think marketing has such power for screwing up a project
for three years, but yes, it's easy to blame others, as always

The Vista tale was already over and MS acknowledged that they fumbled the
ball this time. It's Windows 7 time now.


"usasma" <> wrote in message
news:39A2E60D-44B5-47BA-B681-...
> Please excuse this rant - it's not directed personally at this poster.
> But
> rather at all the people out there who are dissatisfied with Windows
> Vista.
>
> If you don't like something, why stay with it and whine about it? Do
> something to change it so you'll be happy. Switch to another OS if you're
> so
> dissatisfied.
>
> Windows Vista is a general purpose OS. What that means is that it strives
> to do all things well, but some compromises must be made in order for it
> to
> be useable. If you don't like how it does it - there's plenty of other
> choices out there - and quite a lot of them are free.
>
> Also, it is about money. That's how "for profit" companies are run. And
> the investors in these companies expect a return on their investment.
>
> I see this at work every day - people upgrading so they can have the
> "latest" version. "Latest" may equal "better" to some people - but that
> doesn't necessarily make it true.
>
> The changes in Vista were significant and sweeping. They were not well
> received by the general public. But does this make it bad? This is a
> marketing issue rather than a technical issue. It's the perceived image
> of
> Vista rather than what it actually does. Unfortunately, most of the
> issues
> that are blamed on Vista are actually due to 3rd party
> software/driver/hardware issues.
>
> A good example of this are printers.
> -Printer manufacturer's decide which printers will have Vista drivers and
> which won't - Microsoft doesn't decide that. So, if you've got an older
> printer and drivers aren't available - then you're just out of luck unless
> you can write drivers.
> -Newer printers have the "Works with Windows Vista" stickers to tell you
> that they're compatible with Vista. But no one tells you that that also
> means that the manufacturers probably didn't include the Vista drivers on
> the
> disk that comes with the printer. (in order to save money). So you'll
> have
> to download them from the manufacturer's website.
> -And, to add to the issues, we're in a state of flux right now. 64 bit
> OS's
> are being sold as fast as 32 bit OS's - and the 32 bit printer drivers
> won't
> work on the 64 bit OS's.
>
> Fianlly, Vista has worked fine for me from the early Beta days through
> today. I've had less problems than I had with XP, and those problems that
> I
> do have are more easily fixable. I've also got a TV card in my system
> that
> is not Vista compatilble - so there it sits disabled until I decide to get
> another one. Also, I work in a shop that fixes users systems all day
> long -
> and that's the experience that we have with there also.
>
> - John
>
> "bob" wrote:
>
>> It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
>> most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
>> been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a pointless exercise
>> upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin for my XP. Junk,
>> utter
>> junk. New and different, but not better. Seriosuly, what does this OS
>> achieve apart from making money?
>>
>>

In article <> ,
Bob Campbell <> wrote:
>
>Software is like any product/service. Better quality demands (and gets) a
>higher price. Products that are free, are free for a reason.

That's simply not true. Market price is influenced by many
factors percieved quality being only one of them. The common business
school example is the price of diamonds, which is entirely artificial.

My favorite example is the late lamented Schrade knife. For
15 bucks you could get a blade that would out perform and outlast most
custom jobs.

You need to read a book called "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" to
get a clearer idea of the mechanics of the open source market.

In article <>,
xfile <> wrote:
>
>But whose fault was that when
>users and customers dissatisfied the new designs and features?

The users and customers fault! Those guys need to get with the
program. Resistance is futile.