Vista public release date

I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside" TV
advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps
Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that advertisement, I
had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc) operating
systems and the Internet.
I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
Absof#@kinglutely!
I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN MVP.
No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.

Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as well) is
from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and finding
solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several sources,
and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines (for
the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry, and,
last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.

I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft. But...I
gotta tell ya...
things don't look good.

Too early!
Too soon!

I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744. To
the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other os
when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic because
there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this forum,
a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not give
Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you have a
final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your posts,
Vista is ailing.

I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
I probably shouldn't...
But...




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It all depends upon who you want to believe.. Vista RTM works very well for
me, and after the public launch, many of the driver issues will have been
cleared up..


"tacwalker" <> wrote in message
news:91320940-B2AE-470A-A830-...
>I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel Inside"
>TV
> advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in Europe...perhaps
> Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that advertisement,
> I
> had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
> computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
> And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
> I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc) operating
> systems and the Internet.
> I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
> October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
> Absof#@kinglutely!
> I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
> public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
> gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
> I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN MVP.
> No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.
>
> Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as well)
> is
> from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and finding
> solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several
> sources,
> and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines (for
> the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry,
> and,
> last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.
>
> I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft.
> But...I
> gotta tell ya...
> things don't look good.
>
> Too early!
> Too soon!
>
> I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744. To
> the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other os
> when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic because
> there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this
> forum,
> a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not
> give
> Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
> Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you have
> a
> final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your
> posts,
> Vista is ailing.
>
> I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
> I probably shouldn't...
> But...
>
>
>
>
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Mike --

I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
missed RC2], and it is working well for me.

I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
process take it from there?

Thanks,
Russ Walden

"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote:

> It all depends upon who you want to believe.. Vista RTM works very well for
> me, and after the public launch, many of the driver issues will have been
> cleared up..
>
>
>

Russ;
No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM.

Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not.
IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded.
You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade.
However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta.
This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS.

Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before starting
the process.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Russ Walden" <> wrote in message
news:ABA50693-8470-4A51-8502-...
> Mike --
>
> I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
> missed RC2], and it is working well for me.
>
> I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
> through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
> Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
> process take it from there?
>
> Thanks,
> Russ Walden

I am running RTM now and on a clean install it's very stable, Toshiba has
finally released it's drivers for Vista and alot of the software works ok,
some don't but that's a problem for them to make it work on Vista if they
want to continue selling software


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Russ;
> No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM.
>
> Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not.
> IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded.
> You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade.
> However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta.
> This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS.
>
> Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before starting
> the process.
>
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Russ Walden" <> wrote in message
> news:ABA50693-8470-4A51-8502-...
>> Mike --
>>
>> I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
>> missed RC2], and it is working well for me.
>>
>> I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
>> through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
>> Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
>> process take it from there?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Russ Walden
>

Most of the problems I'm seeing with RTM are driver related of issues around
third party apps no longer having access to parts of the OS due to security.
If the latter of these mean that Vista is more secure and STABLE I'll put up
with waiting for third party software producers to release Vista versions.

I have to say though there are very few things that I can't do on Vista and
for those I have an XP Virtual machine loaded on Vista.

I've even left UAC on for the first time when I installed RTM, I still am
yet to be convinced that UAC is worth the hassle but I'll give it a go.

Colin T
"Clayton" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I am running RTM now and on a clean install it's very stable, Toshiba has
>finally released it's drivers for Vista and alot of the software works ok,
>some don't but that's a problem for them to make it work on Vista if they
>want to continue selling software
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Russ;
>> No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM.
>>
>> Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not.
>> IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded.
>> You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade.
>> However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta.
>> This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS.
>>
>> Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before starting
>> the process.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "Russ Walden" <> wrote in message
>> news:ABA50693-8470-4A51-8502-...
>>> Mike --
>>>
>>> I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
>>> missed RC2], and it is working well for me.
>>>
>>> I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to go
>>> through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
>>> Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the update
>>> process take it from there?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Russ Walden
>>
>
>

I agree Stuart, all that and alot of the times non responsive resulting in a
force shutdown


"Stuart [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:86B834C5-399E-4E59-A085-...
>I too am running Vista RTM and it's pretty stable. Both of my workstations
> were upgrades from XP Pro. The biggest problems I've seen to date are:
>
> 1) Occasional Explorer crashes
> 2) Unstable Start Menu Program folder items
> 3) Sleep/Hibernate - doesn't work reliabily on either of my Dell
> workstations
> 4) Network password functionality loss
>
> Stuart.
> ----------
>
> "John" wrote:
>
>> I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any real
>> complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista
>> drivers
>> and Vista-compatible versions of their software, but that's not
>> Microsoft's
>> fault. Developers have had the tools they needed to do this for months
>> now.
>>
>> The only real problem I'm having with the OS is the issue of my profiles
>> periodically not loading. That one is pretty frustrating, and no one here
>> or
>> on the MSDN group has been able to help. I'll probably just live with it
>> for
>> a while and see if it clears up over time (if other people end up having
>> the
>> same problem, MS will undoubtedly release a fix). If it doesn't, I'll
>> probably break down and cough up the money to open a support case with
>> MS. If
>> it turns out to be a bug in their software, I'll get my money back.
>>
>>
>>
>> "tacwalker" wrote:
>>
>> > I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel
>> > Inside" TV
>> > advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in
>> > Europe...perhaps
>> > Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that
>> > advertisement, I
>> > had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers) a
>> > computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
>> > And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
>> > I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc)
>> > operating
>> > systems and the Internet.
>> > I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back in
>> > October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
>> > Absof#@kinglutely!
>> > I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the general
>> > public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be a
>> > gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
>> > I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an MSDN
>> > MVP.
>> > No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you people.
>> >
>> > Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as
>> > well) is
>> > from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and
>> > finding
>> > solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several
>> > sources,
>> > and some of them are (in order of importance) forums; books/magazines
>> > (for
>> > the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the registry,
>> > and,
>> > last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online support.
>> >
>> > I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft.
>> > But...I
>> > gotta tell ya...
>> > things don't look good.
>> >
>> > Too early!
>> > Too soon!
>> >
>> > I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build 5744.
>> > To
>> > the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any other
>> > os
>> > when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic
>> > because
>> > there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in this
>> > forum,
>> > a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would not
>> > give
>> > Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
>> > Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of you
>> > have a
>> > final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your
>> > posts,
>> > Vista is ailing.
>> >
>> > I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
>> > I probably shouldn't...
>> > But...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------
>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> > "I
>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> > this
>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> > then
>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >
>> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...unts_passwords

Having been part of the team of volunteers (only a small part tho lol) I
have seen vista grow and improve from the start. The only issue I have now
is that companies like ATI/AMD and NVIDIA have not rleeased drivers for
their hardware!

They got as far as RC1 and then went no further - even tho there are RC2 and
RTM which have been produced and tested as much as they can be, so any new
issues that come up with hardware on your systems when vista is released
will be down to them, NOT MS - and NOT the thousands of beta testers who
hounded the hardware companies for updated drivers cdesigned to work with
vista.

I have Vista Ultimate running on my machine at the mo and am a hardened
gamer playing BF2 and BF2142 for the most part, and all I can say is that
VISTA rocks! I have my system dual booted so that my XP is still available,
but have found that bearing in mind i am on a lower graphics card than
normal at the mo the games are smoother on vista, i can set my graphics
higher and not get any problems.

The card I have at the mo is a 128mb Radeon 9550 - look up the specs to see
how slow it is lol, the card I had before was the Radeon X700 256mb -
compare the specs!, and the card I am awaiting delivery of is the Radeon
X1300 PRO check out those specs agains the other two (256mb memory on this
one too). While they are not as sharp as the x700 was, they are sharper than
under XP which when you consider a nice fresh XP uses only around 190mb of
system ram, and a standard Vista fresh install uses between 300 and 450mb of
ram depending on the features you run the fact that the games work better
tells you a lot!

Vista is as ready for release as it can be under the circumstances, dont
blame MS for probs on release, blame the lazy sods who produced your
hardware for not producing the stuff they should have so we could iron out
hardware bugs!

Happy new year

Stu
<Colin Thompson> wrote in message
news:6BE24ACE-E55A-4C81-9126-...
> Most of the problems I'm seeing with RTM are driver related of issues
> around third party apps no longer having access to parts of the OS due to
> security. If the latter of these mean that Vista is more secure and STABLE
> I'll put up with waiting for third party software producers to release
> Vista versions.
>
> I have to say though there are very few things that I can't do on Vista
> and for those I have an XP Virtual machine loaded on Vista.
>
> I've even left UAC on for the first time when I installed RTM, I still am
> yet to be convinced that UAC is worth the hassle but I'll give it a go.
>
> Colin T
> "Clayton" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I am running RTM now and on a clean install it's very stable, Toshiba has
>>finally released it's drivers for Vista and alot of the software works ok,
>>some don't but that's a problem for them to make it work on Vista if they
>>want to continue selling software
>>
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> Russ;
>>> No, because it is not a matter of updates changing a Beta to an RTM.
>>>
>>> Some Beta builds can be upgraded to RTM while others can not.
>>> IIRC, RC-1 can be upgraded.
>>> You would need to follow a similar procedure as any other upgrade.
>>> However most suggest a Clean Install instead of an upgrade of a Beta.
>>> This ensures there is no Beta code left from the previous OS.
>>>
>>> Windows Easy Transfer can help you save data and settings before
>>> starting the process.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Russ Walden" <> wrote in message
>>> news:ABA50693-8470-4A51-8502-...
>>>> Mike --
>>>>
>>>> I'm running a fully updated version of RC1 (5600) [I was on a trip and
>>>> missed RC2], and it is working well for me.
>>>>
>>>> I plan to buy Ultimate when it's released, but I really don't want to
>>>> go
>>>> through the whole install process again. Can I use my newly purchased
>>>> Product Key to Activate my current install, and then just let the
>>>> update
>>>> process take it from there?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Russ Walden
>>>
>>
>>
>

Did you upgrade or clean install for these problems? I havent had any of
those (clean install). However I did fnd that there is an issue when your
computer puts itself on standby if you use a router, you get local network
instantly, but you have to either fiddle around and reair or restart the
system before it gives back internet access!

Stu
"Stuart [MVP]" <> wrote in message
news:721DBC2C-CE39-44E7-9045-...
> I'm now seeing problems re-enabling my monitors on both of these Vista
> systems after Vista turns them off according to the power plan. Guess I'll
> have to disable that too
>
> Oh well, that's what we get for being early deployers
>
> "Clayton" wrote:
>
>> I agree Stuart, all that and alot of the times non responsive resulting
>> in a
>> force shutdown
>>
>>
>> "Stuart [MVP]" <> wrote in message
>> news:86B834C5-399E-4E59-A085-...
>> >I too am running Vista RTM and it's pretty stable. Both of my
>> >workstations
>> > were upgrades from XP Pro. The biggest problems I've seen to date are:
>> >
>> > 1) Occasional Explorer crashes
>> > 2) Unstable Start Menu Program folder items
>> > 3) Sleep/Hibernate - doesn't work reliabily on either of my Dell
>> > workstations
>> > 4) Network password functionality loss
>> >
>> > Stuart.
>> > ----------
>> >
>> > "John" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm running the RTM version of Ultimate Edition, and don't have any
>> >> real
>> >> complaints. Third-party companies are a bit too slow to release Vista
>> >> drivers
>> >> and Vista-compatible versions of their software, but that's not
>> >> Microsoft's
>> >> fault. Developers have had the tools they needed to do this for months
>> >> now.
>> >>
>> >> The only real problem I'm having with the OS is the issue of my
>> >> profiles
>> >> periodically not loading. That one is pretty frustrating, and no one
>> >> here
>> >> or
>> >> on the MSDN group has been able to help. I'll probably just live with
>> >> it
>> >> for
>> >> a while and see if it clears up over time (if other people end up
>> >> having
>> >> the
>> >> same problem, MS will undoubtedly release a fix). If it doesn't, I'll
>> >> probably break down and cough up the money to open a support case with
>> >> MS. If
>> >> it turns out to be a bug in their software, I'll get my money back.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "tacwalker" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I have been on steam with Microsoft products ever since the "Intel
>> >> > Inside" TV
>> >> > advertisement back in the 1995 TV ad with some Nuns (in
>> >> > Europe...perhaps
>> >> > Italy) selling wine through their web site. Because of that
>> >> > advertisement, I
>> >> > had to have, HAD TO HAVE (even though I new nothing about computers)
>> >> > a
>> >> > computer with "Microsoft Windows 95" and a MODEM.
>> >> > And get one I did!...witha MODEM and an ISP. WOW!!!!!
>> >> > I have been entranced ever since with the world of computer (pc)
>> >> > operating
>> >> > systems and the Internet.
>> >> > I have been using Windows Vista build 5744 since its' release back
>> >> > in
>> >> > October. I have used it and abused it. And...are there issues?
>> >> > Absof#@kinglutely!
>> >> > I truly believe that releasing this version of Windows to the
>> >> > general
>> >> > public, on the advertised release date of January/February, will be
>> >> > a
>> >> > gigantic error on Microsoft's behalf.
>> >> > I am not a software geek. I am not a programmer, and I am not an
>> >> > MSDN
>> >> > MVP.
>> >> > No offence tp MVP's. I have received very good advice from you
>> >> > people.
>> >> >
>> >> > Everything I know regarding Microsoft's software (other software as
>> >> > well) is
>> >> > from buying it, installing it, never looking at the Readmes, and
>> >> > finding
>> >> > solutions to problems afterwards. These solutions come from several
>> >> > sources,
>> >> > and some of them are (in order of importance) forums;
>> >> > books/magazines
>> >> > (for
>> >> > the Linux users: books\magazines); friends, screwing with the
>> >> > registry,
>> >> > and,
>> >> > last but not least and certainly not all...Microsoft's online
>> >> > support.
>> >> >
>> >> > I really enjoy Vista. I hope everything turns out OK for Microsoft.
>> >> > But...I
>> >> > gotta tell ya...
>> >> > things don't look good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Too early!
>> >> > Too soon!
>> >> >
>> >> > I solved a great deal of the issues I have experienced with build
>> >> > 5744.
>> >> > To
>> >> > the point, in fact, where I would place Vista "far" ahead of any
>> >> > other
>> >> > os
>> >> > when it comes to User simplicity...ironic as that sounds. Ironic
>> >> > because
>> >> > there are too many hurdles. I am though, like most of you here in
>> >> > this
>> >> > forum,
>> >> > a beta tester. As a Vista beta tester ("if given a vote"?) I would
>> >> > not
>> >> > give
>> >> > Vista the Green Light on "the" scheduled public release date.
>> >> > Some of you have releases that are beyond build 5744, and some of
>> >> > you
>> >> > have a
>> >> > final prepublic release of Vista. From what I have gleaned from your
>> >> > posts,
>> >> > Vista is ailing.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am going to click on the "Post" button now.
>> >> > I probably shouldn't...
>> >> > But...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----------------
>> >> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to
>> >> > the
>> >> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click
>> >> > the
>> >> > "I
>> >> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button,
>> >> > follow
>> >> > this
>> >> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader
>> >> > and
>> >> > then
>> >> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >> >
>> >> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/com...unts_passwords
>>
>>
>>