VISTA IS Screwed

I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
blows.

I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?

It does look better.

It does not crash as often.

MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.

That is about it for the good list.

The bad........

Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
"security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.

Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
manager activities so badly?

Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.

Vista is slower than XP.

What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
greater than XP SP2 and Vista.

If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
is it. MS has become the dinosaur.

Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
FYI.

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:...
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
> It does look better.
>
> It does not crash as often.
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
> That is about it for the good list.
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
> Vista is slower than XP.
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>

What makes you think Server 2008 will satisfy his needs? Just FYI


<> wrote in message
news:...
> Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
> Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
> FYI.
>
> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
>> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
>> blows.
>>
>> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>>
>> It does look better.
>>
>> It does not crash as often.
>>
>> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
>> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
>> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>>
>> That is about it for the good list.
>>
>> The bad........
>>
>> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
>> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
>> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
>> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>>
>> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
>> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
>> manager activities so badly?
>>
>> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
>> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>>
>> Vista is slower than XP.
>>
>> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
>> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
>> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
>> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>>
>> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
>> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>>
>

Go back to XP then. What OS you use is a choice. I have been using Vista
since the first day it was released to the public got Home Premium Full
Version And upgraded to Ultimate. I really like Vista. I was dual booting
with XP and last week I took it off my other hard drive. Why waste the drive
when I do not use XP anymore.
--
Quad Core


"" wrote:

> Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
> Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
> FYI.
>
> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
> news:...
> > I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> > back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> > blows.
> >
> > I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
> >
> > It does look better.
> >
> > It does not crash as often.
> >
> > MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> > view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> > and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
> >
> > That is about it for the good list.
> >
> > The bad........
> >
> > Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> > "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> > deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> > scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
> >
> > Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> > the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> > manager activities so badly?
> >
> > Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> > support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
> >
> > Vista is slower than XP.
> >
> > What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> > did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> > as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> > greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
> >
> > If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> > is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
> >
>
>

The Other Option I Mentioned Is Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW (Free
Ware), Just FYI.

"Mr. Vista" <Mr. > wrote in message
news:...
> What makes you think Server 2008 will satisfy his needs? Just FYI
>
>
> <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Windows XP Support Will Terminate In 2009 For Home Users, And In 2014 For
>> Corporate Users, Just FYI. What You Really Need Is The Following:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008 Or http://www.ubuntu.com/ Just
>> FYI.
>>
>> <thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
>>> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
>>> blows.
>>>
>>> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>>>
>>> It does look better.
>>>
>>> It does not crash as often.
>>>
>>> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
>>> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
>>> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>>>
>>> That is about it for the good list.
>>>
>>> The bad........
>>>
>>> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
>>> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
>>> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
>>> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>>>
>>> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
>>> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
>>> manager activities so badly?
>>>
>>> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
>>> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>>>
>>> Vista is slower than XP.
>>>
>>> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
>>> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
>>> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
>>> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>>>
>>> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
>>> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>>>
>>
>
>

thetruthhurts @homail.com;545112 Wrote:
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and goin
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product stil
> blows
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista
>
> It does look better
>
> It does not crash as often
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best A
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier
>
> That is about it for the good list
>
> The bad.......
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due t
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to b
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is prett
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long tha
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic fil
> manager activities so badly
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do no
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP
>
> Vista is slower than XP
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why M
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vist
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 i
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, thi
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur

I cannot believe you've been using Vista for nearly a year and th
problem you relate have not been resolved. You have obviously not ru
Windows Update, have you

I experienced the same issues in the early days of Vista, but Window
Update fixed all that. Some of my hardware didn't work at the start, bu
it was a few weeks after release that I started getting the driver fo
those devices

Service Pack 1 has improved on that even more

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You are allowed to have an opinion. You are even allowed to go back to
Windows XP or an entirely different computer and operating system. You tried
Vista. You didn't like it. Many have tried Vista and "DO" like it. That is
what **choice** is all about.

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<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:...
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
> It does look better.
>
> It does not crash as often.
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
> That is about it for the good list.
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
> Vista is slower than XP.
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>

thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.

How did you last that long?
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?

Everything, if you know how to get it running properly.
>
> It does look better.

Better than what?
>
> It does not crash as often.

So?
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative.

That doesn't mean it isn't more secure, does it?

Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.

Then why did you bother to deal with Vista for more than a yr?
>
> That is about it for the good list.

You're not in control are you?
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin.

You're not in control are you?

Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.

What kind of drugs are you doing?
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?

That was fixed a long time ago. You don't bother to do updates do you?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.

Like which apps?
>
> Vista is slower than XP.

On the same hardware in some instances? Yep!
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3.

Oh...so you've based your opinion on beta releases? You are stupid
aren't you.

Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.

Hummm...now you've lost all creditability. You're an "asshat" aren't you.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it.

It did. It's called Vista. Do you have a legal copy?

MS has become the dinosaur.

Your story has become boring.
By any chance are you related to capin' crunch?
Frank
>

<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:...
> I've been running Vista for more than a yr and I'm giving up and going
> back to XP. I've got some serious hardware and the product still
> blows.
>
> I've been thinking about what is so good about Vista?
>
> It does look better.
>
> It does not crash as often.
>
> MS claims the security is better, but I find it so intrusive that I
> view the new "security" as a big negative. Hell I can buy the best AV
> and firewall products on the market for XP and be a whole lot happier.
>
> That is about it for the good list.
>
> The bad........
>
> Sometimes without explaination, files can not be deleted due to
> "security" even if you are a admin. Sometimes they appear to be
> deleted but come back, at least until you reboot. This is pretty
> scary stuff for an "enterprise" OS.
>
> Copying large amounts of data takes forever, sometimes so long that
> the time remaining is infinite. How could MS mess up basic file
> manager activities so badly?
>
> Way too many third party products a year into this gig still do not
> support Vista or claim to, but don't work as well as they do on XP.
>
> Vista is slower than XP.
>
> What real tipped the scale was Vista SP1 vrs XP SP3. Not sure why MS
> did that, but now a better product, XP, has improved more than Vista
> as SP1 falls way short. i.e. the gap between XP SP3 and Vista SP1 is
> greater than XP SP2 and Vista.
>
> If there was ever a time that for a new OS to enter the market, this
> is it. MS has become the dinosaur.
>

I gave Vista a good try out for three months...then got rid of it
(but have decided to re-test it)

Anyway...since I always adjust all of my systems to "best performance"
My Vista, XP and Win2k systems all look pretty much identical.

Since I use removable drives I can test OS performace on the same H/W and
agree
that no matter how I tweak Vista...eveything runs slower than when using
Win2k or XP.
I did one test install of XP_SP3 and found the machine runs almost as fast
as the Win2k installation.

As to stability. Since I don't have any "crash" issues at all with XP...
I could not say that Vista is more stable than XP...I'd have to say they are
both the same.

But whether or not I agree with you on all points...
I am still puzzled as to why Vista does in fact take so long to perform
simple file transfers.
I think I will wait until SP1 is officially relased for Vista...then give it
one more try before I pass
my "final judgement"...But for now I plan not to use Vista for anything
other than just plain testing it.

Though it does not have any features that I am likely to need...I do admit
that some of the new features
are good ones

The more I use Vista the more issues I have with it. This reminds me
of Windows ME. Microsoft puts a lot of visual effects into their
product to sell it and (as promised) added a lot of security. Unlike
Linux, the security can be annoying. Vista's networking schemes is a
bomb. I should have listened more carefully to users before buying a
Vista PC. Currently there is much better support for XP but Vista
support is (very) slowing improving. My boss hates both Vista and
refuses anything dot-net.