Vista Ultimate Rebooting

I have a computer running Vista Ultimate w/ all the latest updates (including
SP1) and latest drivers/bios from the manufacturer and my computer looks like
it is rebooting randomly in the middle of the night. I noticed I leave it on
all the time and my apps are closed. When I look in the event log, it says:

The previous system shutdown at 4:02:19 AM on 5/13/2008 was unexpected.

I also checked if there are any memory dumps and there aren't any. I'm
stumpted why this is happening if this is due to a hardware failure or a
software/driver crash related issue.

How do I go about figuring this out? There are no other events in the logs
that tell me anything.

Thanks

Maybe check "Problem Reports And Solutions".

Mark

"geeman" <> wrote in message
news3C41C8B-62D6-4E23-8AEC-...
>I have a computer running Vista Ultimate w/ all the latest updates
>(including
> SP1) and latest drivers/bios from the manufacturer and my computer looks
> like
> it is rebooting randomly in the middle of the night. I noticed I leave it
> on
> all the time and my apps are closed. When I look in the event log, it
> says:
>
> The previous system shutdown at 4:02:19 AM on 5/13/2008 was unexpected.
>
> I also checked if there are any memory dumps and there aren't any. I'm
> stumpted why this is happening if this is due to a hardware failure or a
> software/driver crash related issue.
>
> How do I go about figuring this out? There are no other events in the
> logs
> that tell me anything.
>
> Thanks

I already checked "Problem Reports and Solutions." The history shows no
problems.

It is also not a Windows Update as 1) I don't have it set to automatically
install and only download, 2) there were no new updates installed in the
history

This is really random so it's not like a set time everyday that I can
associate back to a process. Here are the last few times:

The previous system shutdown at 4:02:19 AM on 5/13/2008 was unexpected.

The previous system shutdown at 8:30:14 AM on 5/12/2008 was unexpected.


"Mark" wrote:

> Maybe check "Problem Reports And Solutions".
>
> Mark
>
> "geeman" <> wrote in message
> news3C41C8B-62D6-4E23-8AEC-...
> >I have a computer running Vista Ultimate w/ all the latest updates
> >(including
> > SP1) and latest drivers/bios from the manufacturer and my computer looks
> > like
> > it is rebooting randomly in the middle of the night. I noticed I leave it
> > on
> > all the time and my apps are closed. When I look in the event log, it
> > says:
> >
> > The previous system shutdown at 4:02:19 AM on 5/13/2008 was unexpected.
> >
> > I also checked if there are any memory dumps and there aren't any. I'm
> > stumpted why this is happening if this is due to a hardware failure or a
> > software/driver crash related issue.
> >
> > How do I go about figuring this out? There are no other events in the
> > logs
> > that tell me anything.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
>

I am running Windows Home Premium and have exactly the same rando
problem, except that it doesn't re-boot, it simply fails to respond i
the morning and after forcing a re-boot, the event log states:
The previous system shutdown at x:xx:xx AM on x/x/xx was unexpected

Still trying to find out why. Have disabled Live Update fro
auto-installing and I have turned off all power-saving options in cas
it was connected with a hibernation wake-up, but still getting it (
times this week, 4 times last week). Did you find a solution

--
chrisevans

You may have overheating. Have you checked in the Event Viewer for any
serious events?

"chrisevans" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> I am running Windows Home Premium and have exactly the same random
> problem, except that it doesn't re-boot, it simply fails to respond in
> the morning and after forcing a re-boot, the event log states:
> The previous system shutdown at x:xx:xx AM on x/x/xx was unexpected.
>
> Still trying to find out why. Have disabled Live Update from
> auto-installing and I have turned off all power-saving options in case
> it was connected with a hibernation wake-up, but still getting it (3
> times this week, 4 times last week). Did you find a solution?
>
>
> --
> chrisevans

Colin Barnhorst;754226 Wrote:
> You may have overheating. Have you checked in the Event Viewer for an
> serious events
>
> "chrisevans" <> wrote in messag
> news:...> > >
> >
> > > I am running Windows Home Premium and have exactly the same rando
> > > problem, except that it doesn't re-boot, it simply fails to respon
> > i
> > > the morning and after forcing a re-boot, the event log states
> > > The previous system shutdown at x:xx:xx AM on x/x/xx was unexpected
> >
> > > Still trying to find out why. Have disabled Live Update fro
> > > auto-installing and I have turned off all power-saving options i
> > cas
> > > it was connected with a hibernation wake-up, but still getting it (
> > > times this week, 4 times last week). Did you find a solution
> >
> >
> > > -
> > > chrisevans > >

Yep - I check every time it happens but there are no events prior t
the reported system shutdown other than Live Updates and no other issue
reported in any of the logs. I thought about overheating, but the rando
nature of the shutdowns (sometimes 3am, sometimes 11.30pm, but never i
the heat of the day when I am using the PC) and the fact that it wil
sometimes run 3 or 4 days before it happens suggests that heat i
unlikely to play a part

--
chrisevans

Not at all. It depends on the component. If the cpu throttles down some
fans may be shutting off instead of slowing down. Things like that. You
may be right and I am just speculating on the point, but don't discount
thermal issues. Check all connectors, reseat cards, and see if you can
check the fans and ventilation. Computers don't shut down randomly. They
do so for a reason. Start troubleshooting with the hardware then move on to
the system software and finally look at the third party stuff.

"chrisevans" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
> Colin Barnhorst;754226 Wrote:
>> You may have overheating. Have you checked in the Event Viewer for any
>> serious events?
>>
>> "chrisevans" <> wrote in message
>> news:...> > >
>> > >
>> > > I am running Windows Home Premium and have exactly the same random
>> > > problem, except that it doesn't re-boot, it simply fails to respond
>> > in
>> > > the morning and after forcing a re-boot, the event log states:
>> > > The previous system shutdown at x:xx:xx AM on x/x/xx was unexpected.
>> > >
>> > > Still trying to find out why. Have disabled Live Update from
>> > > auto-installing and I have turned off all power-saving options in
>> > case
>> > > it was connected with a hibernation wake-up, but still getting it (3
>> > > times this week, 4 times last week). Did you find a solution?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > chrisevans > >
>
> Yep - I check every time it happens but there are no events prior to
> the reported system shutdown other than Live Updates and no other issues
> reported in any of the logs. I thought about overheating, but the random
> nature of the shutdowns (sometimes 3am, sometimes 11.30pm, but never in
> the heat of the day when I am using the PC) and the fact that it will
> sometimes run 3 or 4 days before it happens suggests that heat is
> unlikely to play a part.
>
>
> --
> chrisevans

Colin Barnhorst;754332 Wrote:
> Not at all. It depends on the component. If the cpu throttles down som
> fans may be shutting off instead of slowing down. Things like that. Yo
> may be right and I am just speculating on the point, but don't discoun
> thermal issues. Check all connectors, reseat cards, and see if you ca
> check the fans and ventilation. Computers don't shut down randomly
> The
> do so for a reason. Start troubleshooting with the hardware then mov
> on t
> the system software and finally look at the third party stuff
>
> "chrisevans" <> wrote in messag
> news:...> > >
> >
> > > Colin Barnhorst;754226 Wrote:> > > > >
> > > >> You may have overheating. Have you checked in the Event Viewer fo
> > > an
> > > >> serious events
> > > >
> > > >> "chrisevans" <> wrote in messag
> > > >> news:...> > >> > > >
> >
> > > Yep - I check every time it happens but there are no events prio
> > t
> > > the reported system shutdown other than Live Updates and no othe
> > issue
> > > reported in any of the logs. I thought about overheating, but th
> > rando
> > > nature of the shutdowns (sometimes 3am, sometimes 11.30pm, bu
> > never i
> > > the heat of the day when I am using the PC) and the fact that i
> > wil
> > > sometimes run 3 or 4 days before it happens suggests that heat i
> > > unlikely to play a part
> >
> >
> > > -
> > > chrisevans > >

Thanks for that, Colin. I have checked fan speeds and temps from BIOS
but of course this is only possible when the machine is running OK.
will give the internals a good look over next week when I have a bi
more time

--
chrisevans

I found that is most cases if you only get a shutdown error in the event log
and nothing else is because of hardware failure. More specifically it's your
motherboard, cpu or memory.

Did you change any BIOS settings from the default? To make sure, I would
recommend going into the BIOS and applying the default settings or default
optimized settings (depends on your MB manufaturer) and see if that solves
your problem. I hit this problem because when I changed settings for my
memory because I have high performance memory but for some reason the memory
manufacturer settings don't work and caused my shutdown problem.

Second thing, as already mentioned, it might be overheating. Overheating of
the CPU should be visible in the BIOS immediately. You system will only
shutdown if it reaches the max which it shouldn't on boot. But if you notice
the temp to be high, then you're fan is not working or seeded properly and
you will need to reseed your fan by taking it out and putting it back in.

-geeman

"chrisevans" wrote:
> Thanks for that, Colin. I have checked fan speeds and temps from BIOS,
> but of course this is only possible when the machine is running OK. I
> will give the internals a good look over next week when I have a bit
> more time.

To all who have been helping. I have now had 15 days uninterrupted use
from Vista without a single freeze or shutdown. No idea if this is the
cause of anyone else's problems but I appear to have solved mine by
disabling the Netgear software for my WPN311 card, having noticed that
the problems started a day or so after I installed the card. I will
probably not be using Netgear Wireless cards in future - I had a
different compatibility problem a couple of years back with an XP
machine which used to just lock everything up in the middle of
downloads.

Thanks again for suggestions.


--
chrisevans